September 4, 2005

United States Warships Turn Towards Venezuela As US Military Takes
Control of Hurricane Devastated Regions, Chavez vows '100 Year War'

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Military Analysts are reporting today that a 'significant'
portion of the US Navy Armada that had been heading towards their
countries devastated Southern Regions have turned towards South
America, and in what these reports state is a planned Invasion of
Venezuela to overthrow their President and reassert 'control' over
Venezuela's vast oil reserves.

Anybody have the skinny on this?
Total BS?
Grain of truth?

Ken.

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"Ken Davey" wrote in message
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September 4, 2005

United States Warships Turn Towards Venezuela As US Military Takes
Control of Hurricane Devastated Regions, Chavez vows '100 Year War'

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Military Analysts are reporting today that a 'significant'
portion of the US Navy Armada that had been heading towards their
countries devastated Southern Regions have turned towards South
America, and in what these reports state is a planned Invasion of
Venezuela to overthrow their President and reassert 'control' over
Venezuela's vast oil reserves.

Anybody have the skinny on this?
Total BS?
Grain of truth?


Look it up yourself, man. About as much chance of being true as Sheldroup's
UFO's.
Ken.

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Ken Davey wrote:
September 4, 2005

United States Warships Turn Towards Venezuela As US Military Takes
Control of Hurricane Devastated Regions, Chavez vows '100 Year War'

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Military Analysts are reporting today that a 'significant'
portion of the US Navy Armada that had been heading towards their
countries devastated Southern Regions have turned towards South
America, and in what these reports state is a planned Invasion of
Venezuela to overthrow their President and reassert 'control' over
Venezuela's vast oil reserves.

Anybody have the skinny on this?
Total BS?
Grain of truth?

Ken.


Venezuela's name means little Venice (the one in Italy). It refers to
the city of Maracaibo,one of the first spanish settlements, which like
Venice is on a lagoon and full of canals, originally built resembling
Venice. Later a lot of oil deposits were found in the region.
The next part is tongue in cheek. Probably we are sending ships to
Venezuela not for their oil, but to see how the city of Maracaibo is
built, so we may copy it's functionality and have our Venice in Luisiana
too. It's closer than sending ships all the way to Italy.

cheers
T.Alan Kraus

Chavez is behaving in several vary dangerous ways for "world
piece." Sadam Hussein took these same actions immediately before
the invasion.

The top seven reasons an invasion is plausable:

(1) He is bypassing the major [nominally US] oil companies by
exporting oil directly to the end user countries. This is
exacerbated by rumors of the Venezuelan government purchasing oil
tankers, cutting an additional segment of the "brave new world
economic order" off from the Venezuelan oil tit.

(2) He is pricing oil in Euros and not dollars. In combination
with (1) above, this will "de-dollarize" the Venezuelan economy,
bypassing the New York banks and the "lug" they get on all oil
sales.

(3) He is engaging in "counter-trade" where oil is traded
directly for goods and commodities, again eliminating the "lug"
traditionally collected by the international banks and trading
companies on oil transactions.

(4) He is refusing to "invest" Venezuelan oil revenue in
inflation-adjusted zero/negative interest US governmental
securities, "watered" stock or financial lottery tickets called
"derivatives." Rather than continuing to pay protection money
like the other oil nabobs by buying worthless US governmental
securities (and salting a little away for himself in numbered
Swiss accounts), he is "wasting it" by providing health care,
minimum food and basic education to the poorer citizens of
Venezuela.

(5) He is sabotaging the American economy by refusing to
"roll-over" American debts owned by the Venezuelan government as
these become due. This money is being invested in Euro
securities, invested in Europe/Asia or spent on foundational
social services for the poorest Venezuelans.

(6) The Chavez government is rumored to be considering
legislation to establish a significant Venezuelan
owned/controlled petro-chemical sector for the economy to
maximize the value of the oil [based] exports. As this sector
expands, the sale of crude oil for processing outside the country
is to be restricted, so that eventually only high value processed
materials such as polyester base, plastics, etc. will be
available for export to first world countries, with fuel
[gasoline/diesel] exports limited to the third world countries.

(7) He is creating and arming a Venezuelan militia with primary
loyalty to Venezuela at all levels and trained in the techniques
of irregular/guerilla warfare. He is said to be stockpiling
small arms and explosives for this militia, mainly through
counter-trade, and thus off the financial radar. Additionally,
it is rumored that the most critical oil export facilities such
as refineries and pumping stations are being rigged for immediate
demolition in the case of invasion.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:26:39 GMT, "T.Alan Kraus"
wrote:

Ken Davey wrote:
September 4, 2005

United States Warships Turn Towards Venezuela As US Military Takes
Control of Hurricane Devastated Regions, Chavez vows '100 Year War'

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Russian Subscribers

Russian Military Analysts are reporting today that a 'significant'
portion of the US Navy Armada that had been heading towards their
countries devastated Southern Regions have turned towards South
America, and in what these reports state is a planned Invasion of
Venezuela to overthrow their President and reassert 'control' over
Venezuela's vast oil reserves.

Anybody have the skinny on this?
Total BS?
Grain of truth?

Ken.


Venezuela's name means little Venice (the one in Italy). It refers to
the city of Maracaibo,one of the first spanish settlements, which like
Venice is on a lagoon and full of canals, originally built resembling
Venice. Later a lot of oil deposits were found in the region.
The next part is tongue in cheek. Probably we are sending ships to
Venezuela not for their oil, but to see how the city of Maracaibo is
built, so we may copy it's functionality and have our Venice in Luisiana
too. It's closer than sending ships all the way to Italy.

cheers
T.Alan Kraus

F. George McDuffee wrote:
Chavez is behaving in several vary dangerous ways for "world
piece." Sadam Hussein took these same actions immediately before
the invasion.

The top seven reasons an invasion is plausable:

(1) He is bypassing the major [nominally US] oil companies by
exporting oil directly to the end user countries. This is
exacerbated by rumors of the Venezuelan government purchasing oil
tankers, cutting an additional segment of the "brave new world
economic order" off from the Venezuelan oil tit.

(2) He is pricing oil in Euros and not dollars. In combination
with (1) above, this will "de-dollarize" the Venezuelan economy,
bypassing the New York banks and the "lug" they get on all oil
sales.

(3) He is engaging in "counter-trade" where oil is traded
directly for goods and commodities, again eliminating the "lug"
traditionally collected by the international banks and trading
companies on oil transactions.

(4) He is refusing to "invest" Venezuelan oil revenue in
inflation-adjusted zero/negative interest US governmental
securities, "watered" stock or financial lottery tickets called
"derivatives." Rather than continuing to pay protection money
like the other oil nabobs by buying worthless US governmental
securities (and salting a little away for himself in numbered
Swiss accounts), he is "wasting it" by providing health care,
minimum food and basic education to the poorer citizens of
Venezuela.

(5) He is sabotaging the American economy by refusing to
"roll-over" American debts owned by the Venezuelan government as
these become due. This money is being invested in Euro
securities, invested in Europe/Asia or spent on foundational
social services for the poorest Venezuelans.

(6) The Chavez government is rumored to be considering
legislation to establish a significant Venezuelan
owned/controlled petro-chemical sector for the economy to
maximize the value of the oil [based] exports. As this sector
expands, the sale of crude oil for processing outside the country
is to be restricted, so that eventually only high value processed
materials such as polyester base, plastics, etc. will be
available for export to first world countries, with fuel
[gasoline/diesel] exports limited to the third world countries.

(7) He is creating and arming a Venezuelan militia with primary
loyalty to Venezuela at all levels and trained in the techniques
of irregular/guerilla warfare. He is said to be stockpiling
small arms and explosives for this militia, mainly through
counter-trade, and thus off the financial radar. Additionally,
it is rumored that the most critical oil export facilities such
as refineries and pumping stations are being rigged for immediate
demolition in the case of invasion.

That is very interesting. Chavez sounds like a smart guy, rather than
the thug I envisioned. Where did you get all this information?

Rex

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:52:25 -0500, Rex B wrote:
F. George McDuffee wrote:
Chavez is behaving in several vary dangerous ways for "world
piece." Sadam Hussein took these same actions immediately before
the invasion.

The top seven reasons an invasion is plausable:
snip
That is very interesting. Chavez sounds like a smart guy, rather than
the thug I envisioned. Where did you get all this information?
Rex
=====================================
Some information comes directly from emails from friends in
Venezuela and adjacent countries, more from Spanish language web
sites located in the area.

Hugo Chavez Frias was born in Sabaneta, Barinas State on July
28th, 1954. His parents were both schoolteachers and, after he
finished high school, they decided to send him to Venezuela's
Military Academy, where he graduated with a degree in Military
Sciences and Arts. In 1982 he founded the Bolivarian [Apparently
named for Simon Bolivar, not the country] Revolutionary Movement.
During 1989-1990, he studied Political Science at Simon Bolivar
University in Caracas. President Chavez attained the rank of Lt.
Colonel in the Venezuelan Air-born, which apparently is an elite
unit. President Chavez thus has the equivalent of an American
BS/BA degree with work on a Masters.

Given the influence of the Venezuelan oligarchy and the tight
control they keep on the military by supplying most of the
officers, President Chavez is self-evidently no "dim bulb,"
either academically, socially, or politically. Additionally, he
was able to overcome a US backed coup-d'état while the incumbents
presidents of Argentina, Brasil, Chile, Guatemala, and several
other Latin American countries were not, thus avoiding another
"great terror" of a redux Pinochet regime in Venezuela.

President Chavez has apparently turned to Cuba for medical
personnel and socio-political/military advice for the simple and
pragmatic reasons that Cuba has surplus medical personnel well
trained in the special diseases/conditions of the poor in the
tropics, and Cuba has managed to remain independent of US control
for 40 years despite at least one attempted invasion, extensive
sabotage, and numerous assassination attempts.

I do not know what it means, but President Chavez has stated he
is looking for a third way, outside of communism, which has
failed, and trans-national free market capitalism which is
failing. I wish Venezuela all the luck in the world, and hope
they can find something that works for all their citizens and can
be applied everywhere.

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 19:04:13 GMT, Ignoramus25850
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:45:09 -0500, F George McDuffee wrote:
Chavez is behaving in several vary dangerous ways for "world
piece." Sadam Hussein took these same actions immediately before
the invasion.
snip
That was a very insightful post. If we "follow the money", then we can
see that there is every bit of interest for the Bush administration to
overthrow Chavez and, if necessary, to invade Venezuela. (his
contributors benefitting financially from higher oil prices, for
example) Doing so would be stupid and harmful to our society, but
that's not a good enough reason to say that it would not happen or
that there is no intention to do so. After all, invading Iraq was also
stupid and harmful.

That said, an invasion is something that requires more preparations
than an armada sailing in a particular direction.
======================
and not having a hurricane that destroys one of your major sea
ports and c.20% of your country, requiring the deployment of a
considerble portion of your remaining reserve active and national
guard units.