On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:57:40 GMT, "Karl Townsend"
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,; Used Pentium I/II/III system units are ultra-cheap (try offering $5) at
,; the secondhand computer stores. The entire secondhand/surplus computer
,; market is awash with machinery; I've seen large warehouses stacked to the
,; ceiling. Get an old IBM non-consumer machine - the model number 300GL
,; springs to mind. Well, actually nothing really 'springs' anymore but it
,; kind of comes dragging in. Anyway, they were built significantly better
,; 'in the old days'.
,;
,;My software (Camsoft) needs a minimum 1 GHz PIII computer. You're right the
,;old ones are better, but not fast enough for my needs. I had to special
,;order a white box system built around a motherboard with an ISA slot. Very
,;expensive by today's prices - $800.
,;
Try
www.retrobox.com

I have purchased several computers from them and never had a problem.

Purchase without an operating system and install the OS from the
computer you scrap. You should be able to find what you need for under
$100 including shipping.

For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

Karl Townsend wrote:
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl




Used Pentium I/II/III system units are ultra-cheap (try offering $5) at
the secondhand computer stores. The entire secondhand/surplus computer
market is awash with machinery; I've seen large warehouses stacked to
the ceiling. Get an old IBM non-consumer machine - the model number
300GL springs to mind. Well, actually nothing really 'springs' anymore
but it kind of comes dragging in. Anyway, they were built significantly
better 'in the old days'.

--
Fred R
________________
Drop TROU to email.

Used Pentium I/II/III system units are ultra-cheap (try offering $5) at
the secondhand computer stores. The entire secondhand/surplus computer
market is awash with machinery; I've seen large warehouses stacked to the
ceiling. Get an old IBM non-consumer machine - the model number 300GL
springs to mind. Well, actually nothing really 'springs' anymore but it
kind of comes dragging in. Anyway, they were built significantly better
'in the old days'.

My software (Camsoft) needs a minimum 1 GHz PIII computer. You're right the
old ones are better, but not fast enough for my needs. I had to special
order a white box system built around a motherboard with an ISA slot. Very
expensive by today's prices - $800.

Karl

Karl Townsend wrote:

Used Pentium I/II/III system units are ultra-cheap (try offering $5) at
the secondhand computer stores. The entire secondhand/surplus computer
market is awash with machinery; I've seen large warehouses stacked to the
ceiling. Get an old IBM non-consumer machine - the model number 300GL
springs to mind. Well, actually nothing really 'springs' anymore but it
kind of comes dragging in. Anyway, they were built significantly better
'in the old days'.

My software (Camsoft) needs a minimum 1 GHz PIII computer. You're right
the old ones are better, but not fast enough for my needs. I had to
special order a white box system built around a motherboard with an ISA
slot. Very expensive by today's prices - $800.

Karl
You might try:
htef="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=633885&CatId=181"

Socket 370 supports PIII up to 1.2GHz. One ISA slot. $79.99.

They may have more.
--
Keith Bowers - Thomasville, NC

Karl Townsend wrote:
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

It sounds to me like the power supply died, probably the 5V feed. The
fans run on 12V and the disks may make wierd noises with only 12V coming
in. The weird noises might also be the power supply itself. I would swap
the power supply and go from there.

Bob

Sounds like maybe the power supply but could be something else holding down
the supply. Do you get any beeps? They're part of the POST and can tell
you what's wrong if it can't even talk to the display. No beeps usually
means no power.

One thing you can try if you don't have an extra power supply is to remove
every board but the display board and remove every peripheral but the
keyboard then turn it on to see what happens. If that doesn't get you a
display it's not unheard of for a video board to work loose in the slot so
make sure it's in all the way.

Sometimes reseating memory can also help.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"


"Karl Townsend" remove .NOT to reply wrote
in message ink.net...
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive
(can't really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another
box and be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

Karl Townsend wrote:

For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

Do you really need an ISA slot, or it the card something that can be had
in a PCI version for not too much money? I.e. is it a servo controller
card, or just an extra parallel port card?

Some of the Dell Optiplex business systems have a single ISA slot
available depending on which version of riser board is in them.

Pete C.

I have a 4 AT case power supplies if you need one. 200, 230 and 250 watt.

I only have 1 ATX power supply. It's only 100 watts.



"Keith Marshall" wrote in message
m...
Sounds like maybe the power supply but could be something else holding
down
the supply. Do you get any beeps? They're part of the POST and can tell
you what's wrong if it can't even talk to the display. No beeps usually
means no power.

One thing you can try if you don't have an extra power supply is to remove
every board but the display board and remove every peripheral but the
keyboard then turn it on to see what happens. If that doesn't get you a
display it's not unheard of for a video board to work loose in the slot so
make sure it's in all the way.

Sometimes reseating memory can also help.

Best Regards,
Keith Marshall


"I'm not grown up enough to be so old!"


"Karl Townsend" remove .NOT to reply
wrote
in message ink.net...
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at
all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive
(can't really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy
another
box and be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

In article , Pete C. wrote:
Karl Townsend wrote:

For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

Do you really need an ISA slot, or it the card something that can be had
in a PCI version for not too much money? I.e. is it a servo controller
card, or just an extra parallel port card?

Some of the Dell Optiplex business systems have a single ISA slot
available depending on which version of riser board is in them.

Pete C.


Swap the power supply, it's easy to do and the most likely item to
fail. You should always have a spare onhand, IMO. You can still get
boards with an ISA slot or two. Google for "motherboard ISA".

--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m

Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.

Soyo SY-P4I 845PE motherboard 3 ISA slots from barber.com email for
price.

CPU Support:
Intel Pentium 4 up to 3.06 GHz and Celeron up to 2.0 GHz
Chipset:
Intel i845PE
FSB:
Supports 533/400 MHz FSB
System Memory:
DDR 333/266 184-pin PC2700/PC2100 non-ECC,
unbuffered DDR SDRAM
Two 184-pin DDR SDRAM 2.5V DIMM sockets support
up to 2GB
Expansion Slots:
1 AGP slot 2x/4x
4 PCI slots
3 ISA slots
On Board Audio:
On board 4 channels AC97 Codec audio solution
On Board LAN:
Intel® 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet controller
On Board IDE:
Ultra DMA 66/100
Two independent channels for four IDE devices
Supports up to PIO Mode 5 and UDMA 66/100
Two PCI bus mastering ATA E-IDE ports
I/O INTERFACE:
Two RS-232 serial ports (16550 UART compatible)
One parallel printer port (SPP/EPP/ECP mode)
One FDD port (Supports 3 mode, 1.2/1.44/2.88 MB FDD
Provides IrDA / FIR ports with optional cable for transceiver
Provides 6 USB 2.0 ports (2*rear, 4*pin header)
I/O Connectors:
PS/2 Mini-DIN mouse & keyboard ports One RJ45 connector
Two USB ports
One D-Sub 9-pin male serial ports (one by pin header)
One D-Sub 25-pin female printer port
Audio I/O: LINE-Outx1 , LINE-Inx1, MIC JACK x1
One game port


Hugh



"Karl Townsend" remove .NOT to reply wrote
in message ink.net...
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive
(can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box
and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Karl

Do you really need an ISA slot, or it the card something that can be had
in a PCI version for not too much money? I.e. is it a servo controller
card, or just an extra parallel port card?

Some of the Dell Optiplex business systems have a single ISA slot
available depending on which version of riser board is in them.

Camsoft uses a Galil servo driver board. New PCI version can be bought for
$2500. I've been watching Ebay for these, but too many others have the same
need.

I just bought a 1 GHz Dell with ISA on Ebay. I'll try this box when it
arrives. I'm also going to repair this old one so I have two on hand. I'll
try power supply first.

Murphy must know I HATE computer repair. Seems like this is where all my
breakdown troubles have been lately. At least ,knock on wood, the network
hasn't had trouble for a while.

Thanks, everybody, for the help.

Karl

Will it run with older operating systems? I took a new board back because it
would only run on Windows XP.

Richard W.

"Hugh Prescott" wrote in message
...
Soyo SY-P4I 845PE motherboard 3 ISA slots from barber.com email for
price.

CPU Support:
Intel Pentium 4 up to 3.06 GHz and Celeron up to 2.0 GHz
Chipset:
Intel i845PE
FSB:
Supports 533/400 MHz FSB
System Memory:
DDR 333/266 184-pin PC2700/PC2100 non-ECC,
unbuffered DDR SDRAM
Two 184-pin DDR SDRAM 2.5V DIMM sockets support
up to 2GB
Expansion Slots:
1 AGP slot 2x/4x
4 PCI slots
3 ISA slots
On Board Audio:
On board 4 channels AC97 Codec audio solution
On Board LAN:
Intel® 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet controller
On Board IDE:
Ultra DMA 66/100
Two independent channels for four IDE devices
Supports up to PIO Mode 5 and UDMA 66/100
Two PCI bus mastering ATA E-IDE ports
I/O INTERFACE:
Two RS-232 serial ports (16550 UART compatible)
One parallel printer port (SPP/EPP/ECP mode)
One FDD port (Supports 3 mode, 1.2/1.44/2.88 MB FDD
Provides IrDA / FIR ports with optional cable for transceiver
Provides 6 USB 2.0 ports (2*rear, 4*pin header)
I/O Connectors:
PS/2 Mini-DIN mouse & keyboard ports One RJ45 connector
Two USB ports
One D-Sub 9-pin male serial ports (one by pin header)
One D-Sub 25-pin female printer port
Audio I/O: LINE-Outx1 , LINE-Inx1, MIC JACK x1
One game port


Hugh

On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:05:10 GMT, Karl Townsend wrote:
For the third time in six months, the PC running my CNC mill has broke.
First time, the hard disk fried. Second time, CPU cooling fan quit.

This time the computer won't try to boot to any drive. No messages at all
from POST on the monitor. For that matter no text at all. Power supply
cooling fan comes on, CPU cooling fan on, strange sound from a drive (can't
really tell which one). I need an ISA slot, or I'd just buy another box and
be done with it. Any suggestions?

Have you replaced the bios battery? Might be about that age - anything
after 4 or 5 years can be suspect and meets your described symptoms.

Karl;
ISA boards are not special or hard to find. Should be literally dozens
of P3 boards with 1 or 2 ISA slots on EBAY for a few bucks each.
JR
Dweller in the cellar

Karl Townsend wrote:

Used Pentium I/II/III system units are ultra-cheap (try offering $5) at
the secondhand computer stores. The entire secondhand/surplus computer
market is awash with machinery; I've seen large warehouses stacked to the
ceiling. Get an old IBM non-consumer machine - the model number 300GL
springs to mind. Well, actually nothing really 'springs' anymore but it
kind of comes dragging in. Anyway, they were built significantly better
'in the old days'.


My software (Camsoft) needs a minimum 1 GHz PIII computer. You're right the
old ones are better, but not fast enough for my needs. I had to special
order a white box system built around a motherboard with an ISA slot. Very
expensive by today's prices - $800.

Karl





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