With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much difference
in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
look better?

On 23 Jun 2005 05:53:53 -0700, wrote:

With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much difference
in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
look better?


Vinyl can be deformed by heat, or if it's cheap, can break if it gets
too cold and struck. On the other hand, in normal temperatures, it
will deflect and not "kink" if hit lightly, and it doesn't make a lot
of expansion and contraction noise compared to metals. It is pretty
much the same "colour" right through too, so it doesn't show
scratches so bad.

I had a home with aluminum siding on it, made by Alcoa called Super
40........In less than 5 years time you could run your hand on the
siding and get oxidation off it, and it got awfully dull looking. It
was easily damaged (dented) with hail, kids etc.

I am not keen on the steel siding on a house except for perhaps a
roof....Commercial steel type vertical siding does good on
commercial or home shops though.

I put vynil siding on the house we now have back in the early 80';s
and all it takes is an ocasional washing, it has yet to dent., break
or split or discolor. I have damaged it on occasion and its easily
repaired. Been though hurricanes and numerous hail storms and it comes
through unphased........and its in full sun most of the year in a hot
humid climate. Srtay with a top line brand of vynil and you will be
ok, but the cheaper junk some places sell is trouble in a few years.

For some reason or other, I think vertical type siding (typical steel
siding) looks better on a garage, shop or commercial building than
horrizontal does, unless the garage is designed to compliment or go
with the design of the house.



On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:11:09 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote:

===On 23 Jun 2005 05:53:53 -0700, wrote:
===
===With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much difference
===in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
===look better?
===
===
===Vinyl can be deformed by heat, or if it's cheap, can break if it gets
===too cold and struck. On the other hand, in normal temperatures, it
===will deflect and not "kink" if hit lightly, and it doesn't make a lot
===of expansion and contraction noise compared to metals. It is pretty
===much the same "colour" right through too, so it doesn't show
===scratches so bad.


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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

We've had Alcoa siding on our house for several years. There has been no
noticeable deterioration from weather, etc. Supposedly, it is a combination
of aluminum and vinyl. The outer side is a heavy layer of vinyl. It beats
painting, that's for sure. Also, it covers the wood and brickwork so you
can't see the cracks and damage from foundation shifting. Now, the
foundation doesn't shift as badly as the house we had before. There, I came
home drunk one night and broke the key off in the front door lock because it
had moved over about 10 inches!

Bob Swinney
"~Roy~" wrote in message
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I had a home with aluminum siding on it, made by Alcoa called Super
40........In less than 5 years time you could run your hand on the
siding and get oxidation off it, and it got awfully dull looking. It
was easily damaged (dented) with hail, kids etc.

I am not keen on the steel siding on a house except for perhaps a
roof....Commercial steel type vertical siding does good on
commercial or home shops though.

I put vynil siding on the house we now have back in the early 80';s
and all it takes is an ocasional washing, it has yet to dent., break
or split or discolor. I have damaged it on occasion and its easily
repaired. Been though hurricanes and numerous hail storms and it comes
through unphased........and its in full sun most of the year in a hot
humid climate. Srtay with a top line brand of vynil and you will be
ok, but the cheaper junk some places sell is trouble in a few years.

For some reason or other, I think vertical type siding (typical steel
siding) looks better on a garage, shop or commercial building than
horrizontal does, unless the garage is designed to compliment or go
with the design of the house.



On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:11:09 -0400, Brian Lawson
wrote:

===On 23 Jun 2005 05:53:53 -0700, wrote:
===
===With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much
difference
===in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
===look better?
===
===
===Vinyl can be deformed by heat, or if it's cheap, can break if it gets
===too cold and struck. On the other hand, in normal temperatures, it
===will deflect and not "kink" if hit lightly, and it doesn't make a lot
===of expansion and contraction noise compared to metals. It is pretty
===much the same "colour" right through too, so it doesn't show
===scratches so bad.


==============================================
Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

Neither...it all looks crappy compared to a good wood siding finish.
This is especially true of most vinyl as the joints tend to be very
apparent due to the height being the equivalent of 2 boards.

I currently have vinyl that is about 20 years old and it's starting to
degrade due to oxidation. There is also some brittleness and small
cracks where a light bump has broken the material. In terms of washing,
variations from underneath (studs and such) leave stripes due to
different rates of temperature related oxidation and it tends to grow
mildew and such in the fake wood embossed pattern on the north facing
side of the house. It's also moved over time due to high expansion and
contraction to the point where I have to slide panels back in place to
cover gaps from the walking (sometimes hard to do on long panels)

I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
the cost.

Koz

wrote:

With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much difference
in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
look better?

"Koz" wrote in message
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I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
the cost.

Koz

You must enjoy painting one hell of a lot more than I do. I'd go miles out
of my way to avoid having wood that needed painting, especially if one lives
where it's moist. From what I've seen, you can't keep a good enough paint
job on wood to keep it from cracking, and once it does that, you're faced
with endless painting because water gets behind the wood and releases the
paint. We chose vinyl over aluminum for the soffit and fascia on our
shop, and will do the same on the house we're building. It requires
almost no maintenance, only the occasional pressure washing. Mind you, I'm
not nuts about vinyl, but it's much better than painting each year.

Harold

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:
"Koz" wrote in message
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I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
the cost.

Koz


You must enjoy painting one hell of a lot more than I do. I'd go miles out
of my way to avoid having wood that needed painting, especially if one lives
where it's moist. From what I've seen, you can't keep a good enough paint
job on wood to keep it from cracking, and once it does that, you're faced
with endless painting because water gets behind the wood and releases the
paint. We chose vinyl over aluminum for the soffit and fascia on our
shop, and will do the same on the house we're building. It requires
almost no maintenance, only the occasional pressure washing. Mind you, I'm
not nuts about vinyl, but it's much better than painting each year.

Harold


Check the price of Red Cedar clapboards or shingles.They ain't cheap
but much cheaper than wood+paint. There is very little waste since you
can buy in the appropriate lengths.

Looked in the drawer and spent 1650 bucks for material, western red
cedar clear, clapboards .70 cents a linear foot 4 years ago. 2340 linear
feet did a 1600 sq ft addition[lotsa windows] IIRC it took 2 guys about
2 days to do it, manually nailing ss nails.

Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

"Koz" wrote in message
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I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
the cost.

Koz



You must enjoy painting one hell of a lot more than I do. I'd go miles out
of my way to avoid having wood that needed painting, especially if one lives
where it's moist. From what I've seen, you can't keep a good enough paint
job on wood to keep it from cracking, and once it does that, you're faced
with endless painting because water gets behind the wood and releases the
paint. We chose vinyl over aluminum for the soffit and fascia on our
shop, and will do the same on the house we're building. It requires
almost no maintenance, only the occasional pressure washing. Mind you, I'm
not nuts about vinyl, but it's much better than painting each year.

Harold




Well, yea. I guess I should have added the caveat that I don't really
mind painting so that does bias things a little

Koz

Koz wrote:
Neither...it all looks crappy compared to a good wood siding finish.
...

I agree, but it is a matter of personal taste. I think the best product
now is cement-fiber, e.g., Hardie board. It is *indistinguishable* in
appearance from wood siding. Also comes in shingle form. Guaranteed
for 50 years (siding). Can get it factory painted, paint guaranteed for
15 years.

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...me/default.php

My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
into a vinyl sided house is a knife.

Wayne.

With the price of metal going up, I wonder if there is much difference
in using either? This buildign will be next to my house. Would vinyl
look better?

"Bob Engelhardt" wrote in message
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Koz wrote:
Neither...it all looks crappy compared to a good wood siding finish.
...

I agree, but it is a matter of personal taste. I think the best product
now is cement-fiber, e.g., Hardie board. It is *indistinguishable* in
appearance from wood siding. Also comes in shingle form. Guaranteed
for 50 years (siding). Can get it factory painted, paint guaranteed for
15 years.

http://www.jameshardie.com/homeowner...me/default.php

I second your vote. I just put this stuff on my house and love it. Yes, I
will have to paint it but not at the same frequency as if it were wood
siding. Plus, your house can be whatever color you want.

Shawn

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:34:00 -0500, the opaque Wayne
spake:

My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
into a vinyl sided house is a knife.

He can cut through the vinyl siding + 7/16" OSB + insulation + drywall
with a knife? He's GOOD!

All you need to break into almost any house is a set of picks, OR a
rock, OR a heavy foot, OR an 18v cordless chainsaw, OR the spare key
so many idiots leave outside their house in case they lose their main
key.


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Take more than a sharp knife to get in mine.......but then again most
homes can be entered with a rag wrapped around your fist or a brick or
stone.

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:25:38 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

===On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:34:00 -0500, the opaque Wayne
spake:
===
===My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
===into a vinyl sided house is a knife.
===
===He can cut through the vinyl siding + 7/16" OSB + insulation + drywall
===with a knife? He's GOOD!
===
===All you need to break into almost any house is a set of picks, OR a
===rock, OR a heavy foot, OR an 18v cordless chainsaw, OR the spare key
===so many idiots leave outside their house in case they lose their main
===key.
===
===
=== -----
=== = Dain Bramaged...but having lots of fun! =
===http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development


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Put some color in your cheeks...garden naked!
"The original frugal ponder"
~~~~ }((((o ~~~~~~ }{{{{o ~~~~~~~ }(((((o

"Wayne" wrote in message
news
My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
into a vinyl sided house is a knife.

Wayne.


Tell your neighbor, the carpenter, that he'd have no success with his knife
breaking into our house. Under what ever finish we choose to apply
(including vinyl siding, although we aren't going to use it) he'd run into
6" diameter concrete columns @ 15" centers, both vertically and
horizontally, reinforced with #5 rebar in both directions. That means the
opening he intends to crawl through is only 9" square, and is solid
polystyrene and cement (not concrete). Wish him luck!

Harold

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:34:00 -0500, the opaque Wayne
spake:

My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
into a vinyl sided house is a knife.

He can cut through the vinyl siding + 7/16" OSB + insulation + drywall
with a knife? He's GOOD!

All you need to break into almost any house is a set of picks, OR a
rock, OR a heavy foot, OR an 18v cordless chainsaw, OR the spare key
so many idiots leave outside their house in case they lose their main
key.


Yep! Almost all security devices are for honest people, to help them resist
unusual temptation. If someone is hell bent on breaking in, they will.
We *enjoyed* that game a little over a year ago. The precision tool the
burglar used was a rock.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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| "Koz" wrote in message
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| snip-----
|
| I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
| the cost.
|
| Koz
|
| You must enjoy painting one hell of a lot more than I do. I'd go miles
out
| of my way to avoid having wood that needed painting, especially if one
lives
| where it's moist.

When I was a kid my old man bought a truckload of 1x12 cedar boards.
Sided the whole house with 'em, vertically. Gapped the boards about 1/4"
apart and ripped a bunch of 1x2" or so to cover the gaps. Thirty years
later they are still there and looking fine. Zero maintenance, except for
that woodpecker who had a thing for one particular spot. Under the eaves
was still red, but the rest has been gray forever. Don't have to do a thing
to it. My dad's long gone, but recently my mother had it pressure washed
and stained back to a pretty color. Don't think the stain will last as long
as the wood did the first time around, but it's still very nice. Very wise
decision my old man made, that's for sure.
This house is in north east Texas, where the fierce sun and driving rain
makes a brittle mess of any vinyl, burns up the paint of aluminum siding,
and peels up the best latex paint in a year or so. The only maintenance we
ever had to do to the house after that was to paint the window frames and
whatnot that didn't get covered.

Unfortunately, I don't think a thousand bucks will get you a six ton
truck full of cedar anymore!

"carl mciver" wrote in message
ink.net...
"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
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| "Koz" wrote in message
| ...
| snip-----
|
| I'd go for quality wood and a good paint job any day, even at 4 times
| the cost.
|
| Koz
|
| You must enjoy painting one hell of a lot more than I do. I'd go miles
out
| of my way to avoid having wood that needed painting, especially if one
lives
| where it's moist.

When I was a kid my old man bought a truckload of 1x12 cedar boards.
Sided the whole house with 'em, vertically. Gapped the boards about 1/4"
apart and ripped a bunch of 1x2" or so to cover the gaps. Thirty years
later they are still there and looking fine. Zero maintenance, except for
that woodpecker who had a thing for one particular spot. Under the eaves
was still red, but the rest has been gray forever. Don't have to do a
thing
to it. My dad's long gone, but recently my mother had it pressure washed
and stained back to a pretty color. Don't think the stain will last as
long
as the wood did the first time around, but it's still very nice. Very
wise
decision my old man made, that's for sure.
This house is in north east Texas, where the fierce sun and driving
rain
makes a brittle mess of any vinyl, burns up the paint of aluminum siding,
and peels up the best latex paint in a year or so. The only maintenance
we
ever had to do to the house after that was to paint the window frames and
whatnot that didn't get covered.

Unfortunately, I don't think a thousand bucks will get you a six ton
truck full of cedar anymore!


Can't speak for cost, but there's still plenty of (Western Red) cedar out
there if you want it. We grow it on our property, along with incense
cedar..

Harold

carl mciver wrote:
... cedar boards. ... Thirty years
later they are still there and looking fine. Zero maintenance, ...

Similar story: 43 or so years ago our house was shingled with red cedar.
Never painted nor stained. Today the west side has some shingles
curling and lifting. That's the side with the worst weather. The
shingles on the north and east sides are fine.

Bob

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 18:34:00 -0500, the opaque Wayne
spake:



My neighbor, a carpenter, said the only thing you need to break
into a vinyl sided house is a knife.



He can cut through the vinyl siding + 7/16" OSB + insulation + drywall
with a knife? He's GOOD!

All you need to break into almost any house is a set of picks, OR a
rock, OR a heavy foot, OR an 18v cordless chainsaw, OR the spare key
so many idiots leave outside their house in case they lose their main
key.


-----
= Dain Bramaged...but having lots of fun! =
http://www.diversify.com Comprehensive Website Development


Depending on your area, there may be places that have no sheathing under
the vinyl siding. An example is part of my garage walls where the
building codes didn't require it. Want my tools, cut through the 5 feet
of wall that extends beyond the main house.

Koz

Koz wrote:
Depending on your area, there may be places that have no sheathing under
the vinyl siding. An example is part of my garage walls where the
building codes didn't require it.

The building code is a _minimum_ standard. You are welcome (and well
advised) to exceed it.

Ted