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Hi

One week of work is uploaded!
_BUT_ there still remains the translation to English to be done. So for
now you have to live with "a picture is worth a thousand words".
However, I think you still will enjoy the page + pictures.

Thanks for the help I got here over the last years*).

If anybody of the rare(?) engine-builders here would like to be linked
on my page, drop an eMail**), I'll be glad to add him. And I also would
be happy if you would put a link to me onto your page.


*) I have been off for two years and was formerly "
**) from: is valid

Nick
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Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?
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Hi

One week of work is uploaded!


Gee, yes, we want to see your engines. What's the URL?

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Nick Müller wrote:

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**ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/

http://www.motor-manufaktur.de


Sorry for my nearly useless posting, and thanks to Ed for waking me up!

Nick
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"Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle:
"Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter."
Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message
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Nick Müller wrote:

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**ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/

http://www.motor-manufaktur.de


Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations
completed soon.

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Ed Huntress wrote:

Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations
completed soon.


Thank you! :-))
Well the translation will take some time, first I have to get the German
version stable (content- and HTML-wise), but I'll take the chance for a
brief description:

ELLWE 2FB:
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It's a model of a Swedish 2-stroke 2-zylinder marine Diesel engine,
built around 1920. The model has 64 ccm, and works with (home made)
spark plugs. To disguise the carb, sucction is from the underside of the
cranccase through the base plate. The reversal gear box is working. Also
working is the starting by compressed air. The oiler (brass box with
bulls eye) is also working (but I don't use it). Yes, the copper tubes
are _tubes_.
The engine itself is about 410 * 130 * 245 mm (L * W * H) and weights 15
kg.
Building the engine was about 600..800 hours of work. I bought the
castings and a plan in Italy. But that plan was a mess! It took me weeks
to correct it. :-(

VTM 87:
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This is a 1 cylinder 4-stroke in the style of the Amanco. 87ccm. It
wheigts about 27kg. All parts are welded (those that look like
castings). The sound is really great. If you listen to the videos, turn
up the sub woofer!


cubic:
------
1 cylinder 2 stroke 29ccm.
You might ask why it looks so, ummm..., strange. Well, suddenly I had
this design in my head and immedeatly started to sketch the outer form
of it. I wanted that brick-look without curves. Then, I fittet the
necessary things inside. Size is about 250 * 200 mm (base plate). Was
just about 40 hours of work. Doesn't run well (due to the small fly
wheel) in idle (to be onest, it has no idle), but revs up like mad.
Engine looks great if you hang it on the wall like a picture. Yes, it
was intended to be a sculpture.


DLM-S3a:
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This is a aero-engine where I found plans in "Model Craftsman" from 1933
(a Lindsay reprint). I took the basic design and optimized it, so you
can spinn the propeller by blowing in the silicon tube. This is really a
cute engine for putting on the desktop.


If you have any further questions, feel free to ask!


Nick
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"Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle:
"Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter."
Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?


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Ed Huntress wrote:

Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations
completed soon.


Thank you! :-))
Well the translation will take some time, first I have to get the German
version stable (content- and HTML-wise), but I'll take the chance for a
brief description:

ELLWE 2FB:
----------
It's a model of a Swedish 2-stroke 2-zylinder marine Diesel engine,
built around 1920. The model has 64 ccm, and works with (home made)
spark plugs. To disguise the carb, sucction is from the underside of the
cranccase through the base plate.


That one really knocks me out. So, it's a spark-ignition replica of a
diesel? Do you have any experience building diesels?

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Ed Huntress wrote:

That one really knocks me out. So, it's a spark-ignition replica of a
diesel?


Yes. I did the most to hide everything that shows that there is a spark
plug and a carb. The spark plug was crammed into the diesel injection.
The black wire you see on the photos going to the jet is in fact a HV
cable (withstanding 20kV), the thinnest I could find. It took me just a
week to make the ignition working (with some rocket science plastics
that cost literaly more than gold (18 EUR / gramm).
The breaker points and the distributor are in the cylindrical part
between engine and gear box. It drove me nuts to make it HV-proof! I
would make it simpler the next time (2 ignition coils, 2 breakers, no
distributer).
As I said, the carb is not directly at the engine, but at the front side
of the base plate. Tubes going from the carb to the crank case, every
crank case having a reed valve. The original sucked the fresh air from
reed valves behind the "ELLWE" plates (oval shaped, two on each side).
There is a sectional drawing in Lyle Cunnings book (that book is so
great if you like diesels!. Lyle writes great books, but this one is
tremendous)


Do you have any experience building diesels?


No. But this is another story: My next project is a big stationary
Diesel engine that is located in Passau (somewhere between Munich and
Salzburg; to give you some reference). It was built 1906. Rudolf Diesel
personaly adjusted it. When I was there to have a first look at, I also
took the chance to visit the local second hand book seller*). And there
I found a book (1936 IIRC) about diesel engines that convinced me, that
it could be possible to build ones with say about 100 ccm. I didn't try
it yet, but sure sometime. Not with my current project.
I didn't decide on the scale yet, so don't know about the ccm's I will
have.
The problem is the injection pump (you guessed it), not the jet. To make
the engine running in idle you have to inject 0,5mm^3 for every 100ccm.
Well, that ain't really much.
I have seen someone who has built a real diesel with just a few ccm (I
guess less than 10) who claims to have an injection pressure of 80 atm.
Unfortunately I'm unable to contact him anymore and to squeeze him out.


*) well, "second hand books" sounds like pulp fiction, but those dealers
(we call them Antiquariat) do have good and old books. I could waste all
my money at them, if there is left something after visiting my tool
dealer. :-)


Nick

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Nick,

Very neat! Would be great to see videos of your other
engines running.

Rich

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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Nick Müller" wrote in message
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Nick Müller wrote:

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**ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/

http://www.motor-manufaktur.de



Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations
completed soon.


I couldn't wait, so I just copied the URL Nick gave us, went to:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

and pasted the URL in the "Translate a Web Page" slot, set the
translation for German to English, and.....Bob's your uncle."*

You can then navigate through the site and with minor mental
manipulation you get a very good idea of what he says about each of the
pictures.

Jeff


* (Bob's your uncle)
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm
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Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."
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Nick Müller wrote:



http://www.motor-manufaktur.de

OK, I'm jealous.
Outstanding work.

-Carl




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On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 17:11:53 +0200, (Nick Müller)
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Nick Müller wrote:

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**ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/

http://www.motor-manufaktur.de


Sorry for my nearly useless posting, and thanks to Ed for waking me up!

Nick


That's really good. Even exploded CAD pictures for the 3 cylinder
rotary engine, did you do the propeller also? Are the cylinders off
set? Any pictures of the shop, or did I miss that part without
translating it?
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Sunworshipper wrote:

Even exploded CAD pictures for the 3 cylinder rotary engine, did you do
the propeller also?


No, didn't do the propeller in CAD. This remains a training task to be
done later. 'Am not familiar with nurbs yet.
The non-virtual propeller I made myself. I was looking for one quite a
long time until I was fed up of what I found. Cut some plywood, sand to
shape (beld sander), oil, done. 10 minutes if you made your third.
Oh, it's not a rotary engine. I made a rotary version of it, but no pics
(looks quite the same, only 2 or 3 parts changed), not worth showing.


Are the cylinders off set?


Not pointing to the CL of crank shaft? No, they are.


Any pictures of the shop, or did I miss that part without
translating it?


No pictures (except of the Deckel FP1 in action and my press)
FP1/press (but FP1 only very partial):
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/vtm87/baubilder.html
OK, I do have pictures of my shop, but they also shoow drunken people,
Schnapps-bottles and beer. ;-)) Not for public use!


Hey folks, makes me happy if you like them. Continue asking!

Nick
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"Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle:
"Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter."
Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen?
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Nick Müller wrote:
Sunworshipper wrote:


Even exploded CAD pictures for the 3 cylinder rotary engine, did you do
the propeller also?



No, didn't do the propeller in CAD. This remains a training task to be
done later. 'Am not familiar with nurbs yet.
The non-virtual propeller I made myself. I was looking for one quite a
long time until I was fed up of what I found. Cut some plywood, sand to
shape (beld sander), oil, done. 10 minutes if you made your third.
Oh, it's not a rotary engine. I made a rotary version of it, but no pics
(looks quite the same, only 2 or 3 parts changed), not worth showing.



Are the cylinders off set?



Not pointing to the CL of crank shaft? No, they are.



Any pictures of the shop, or did I miss that part without
translating it?



No pictures (except of the Deckel FP1 in action and my press)
FP1/press (but FP1 only very partial):
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/vtm87/baubilder.html
OK, I do have pictures of my shop, but they also shoow drunken people,
Schnapps-bottles and beer. ;-)) Not for public use!


Hey folks, makes me happy if you like them. Continue asking!

Nick


Re; the offset cylinders- you have a master connecting rod or three rods
side by side on the journal?

These are beautious little engines, far beyond my attention span and
abilities. Many thanks for displaying them.

John
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JohnM wrote:

Re; the offset cylinders- you have a master connecting rod or three rods
side by side on the journal?


No master rod. "KISS" design. :-)


These are beautious little engines, far beyond my attention span and
abilities.


The air operated engine (DLM-S3a) is really simple. If you do have a
lathe, some files & drills, a jig saw and a soldering iron you're on the
track. The book I adopted the design from is: "Unusual Projects from the
first Year of Model Craftsman Magazine". Lindsay Publications; ISBN
1-55918-237-7. Nice reprint, fun reading it! Camden books has it, but
there should be a better source in the USA.


Many thanks for displaying them.


You and all the others who like them are welcome!
Feel free to ask me another hole into my belly (as we say in German).

Nick
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message
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Nick Müller wrote:

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**ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/

http://www.motor-manufaktur.de


Sorry for my nearly useless posting, and thanks to Ed for waking me up!

Nick
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Cool pix -- I suppose the real story behind the picture at
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/dlms3a/index.html
is you are holding the model while the plastic tube goes
down to the beer ???

mikey (who someday will get a chance to build an engine)




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Mike Fields wrote:

I suppose the real story behind the picture at
http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/dlms3a/index.html is you are holding the
model while the plastic tube goes down to the beer ???


No, that's not mee. A friend of mine. I'm about the same age, but not
looking that old. :-))
And no, no beer at that time, it was about 11 am.
Sorry. :-))

Nick

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