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Wanna see my model engines?
Hi
One week of work is uploaded! _BUT_ there still remains the translation to English to be done. So for now you have to live with "a picture is worth a thousand words". However, I think you still will enjoy the page + pictures. Thanks for the help I got here over the last years*). If anybody of the rare(?) engine-builders here would like to be linked on my page, drop an eMail**), I'll be glad to add him. And I also would be happy if you would put a link to me onto your page. *) I have been off for two years and was formerly " **) from: is valid Nick -- "Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle: "Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter." Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen? |
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message
... Hi One week of work is uploaded! Gee, yes, we want to see your engines. What's the URL? -- Ed Huntress |
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Nick Müller wrote:
[some pointer to a HP without URL] **ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/ http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Sorry for my nearly useless posting, and thanks to Ed for waking me up! Nick -- "Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle: "Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter." Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen? |
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message
... Nick Müller wrote: [some pointer to a HP without URL] **ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/ http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations completed soon. -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations completed soon. Thank you! :-)) Well the translation will take some time, first I have to get the German version stable (content- and HTML-wise), but I'll take the chance for a brief description: ELLWE 2FB: ---------- It's a model of a Swedish 2-stroke 2-zylinder marine Diesel engine, built around 1920. The model has 64 ccm, and works with (home made) spark plugs. To disguise the carb, sucction is from the underside of the cranccase through the base plate. The reversal gear box is working. Also working is the starting by compressed air. The oiler (brass box with bulls eye) is also working (but I don't use it). Yes, the copper tubes are _tubes_. The engine itself is about 410 * 130 * 245 mm (L * W * H) and weights 15 kg. Building the engine was about 600..800 hours of work. I bought the castings and a plan in Italy. But that plan was a mess! It took me weeks to correct it. :-( VTM 87: ------- This is a 1 cylinder 4-stroke in the style of the Amanco. 87ccm. It wheigts about 27kg. All parts are welded (those that look like castings). The sound is really great. If you listen to the videos, turn up the sub woofer! cubic: ------ 1 cylinder 2 stroke 29ccm. You might ask why it looks so, ummm..., strange. Well, suddenly I had this design in my head and immedeatly started to sketch the outer form of it. I wanted that brick-look without curves. Then, I fittet the necessary things inside. Size is about 250 * 200 mm (base plate). Was just about 40 hours of work. Doesn't run well (due to the small fly wheel) in idle (to be onest, it has no idle), but revs up like mad. Engine looks great if you hang it on the wall like a picture. Yes, it was intended to be a sculpture. DLM-S3a: -------- This is a aero-engine where I found plans in "Model Craftsman" from 1933 (a Lindsay reprint). I took the basic design and optimized it, so you can spinn the propeller by blowing in the silicon tube. This is really a cute engine for putting on the desktop. If you have any further questions, feel free to ask! Nick -- "Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle: "Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter." Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen? |
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message
... Ed Huntress wrote: Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations completed soon. Thank you! :-)) Well the translation will take some time, first I have to get the German version stable (content- and HTML-wise), but I'll take the chance for a brief description: ELLWE 2FB: ---------- It's a model of a Swedish 2-stroke 2-zylinder marine Diesel engine, built around 1920. The model has 64 ccm, and works with (home made) spark plugs. To disguise the carb, sucction is from the underside of the cranccase through the base plate. That one really knocks me out. So, it's a spark-ignition replica of a diesel? Do you have any experience building diesels? -- Ed Huntress |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
That one really knocks me out. So, it's a spark-ignition replica of a diesel? Yes. I did the most to hide everything that shows that there is a spark plug and a carb. The spark plug was crammed into the diesel injection. The black wire you see on the photos going to the jet is in fact a HV cable (withstanding 20kV), the thinnest I could find. It took me just a week to make the ignition working (with some rocket science plastics that cost literaly more than gold (18 EUR / gramm). The breaker points and the distributor are in the cylindrical part between engine and gear box. It drove me nuts to make it HV-proof! I would make it simpler the next time (2 ignition coils, 2 breakers, no distributer). As I said, the carb is not directly at the engine, but at the front side of the base plate. Tubes going from the carb to the crank case, every crank case having a reed valve. The original sucked the fresh air from reed valves behind the "ELLWE" plates (oval shaped, two on each side). There is a sectional drawing in Lyle Cunnings book (that book is so great if you like diesels!. Lyle writes great books, but this one is tremendous) Do you have any experience building diesels? No. But this is another story: My next project is a big stationary Diesel engine that is located in Passau (somewhere between Munich and Salzburg; to give you some reference). It was built 1906. Rudolf Diesel personaly adjusted it. When I was there to have a first look at, I also took the chance to visit the local second hand book seller*). And there I found a book (1936 IIRC) about diesel engines that convinced me, that it could be possible to build ones with say about 100 ccm. I didn't try it yet, but sure sometime. Not with my current project. I didn't decide on the scale yet, so don't know about the ccm's I will have. The problem is the injection pump (you guessed it), not the jet. To make the engine running in idle you have to inject 0,5mm^3 for every 100ccm. Well, that ain't really much. I have seen someone who has built a real diesel with just a few ccm (I guess less than 10) who claims to have an injection pressure of 80 atm. Unfortunately I'm unable to contact him anymore and to squeeze him out. *) well, "second hand books" sounds like pulp fiction, but those dealers (we call them Antiquariat) do have good and old books. I could waste all my money at them, if there is left something after visiting my tool dealer. :-) Nick -- Motormodelle / Engine Models http://www.motor-manufaktur.de |
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Nick,
Very neat! Would be great to see videos of your other engines running. Rich |
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"Nick Müller" wrote in message ... Nick Müller wrote: [some pointer to a HP without URL] **ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/ http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Nick, those are magnificent. I hope you get the English translations completed soon. I couldn't wait, so I just copied the URL Nick gave us, went to: http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and pasted the URL in the "Translate a Web Page" slot, set the translation for German to English, and.....Bob's your uncle."* You can then navigate through the site and with minor mental manipulation you get a very good idea of what he says about each of the pictures. Jeff * (Bob's your uncle) http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bob1.htm -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) "Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented." |
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message ... Nick Müller wrote: http://www.motor-manufaktur.de OK, I'm jealous. Outstanding work. -Carl |
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Sunworshipper wrote:
Even exploded CAD pictures for the 3 cylinder rotary engine, did you do the propeller also? No, didn't do the propeller in CAD. This remains a training task to be done later. 'Am not familiar with nurbs yet. The non-virtual propeller I made myself. I was looking for one quite a long time until I was fed up of what I found. Cut some plywood, sand to shape (beld sander), oil, done. 10 minutes if you made your third. Oh, it's not a rotary engine. I made a rotary version of it, but no pics (looks quite the same, only 2 or 3 parts changed), not worth showing. Are the cylinders off set? Not pointing to the CL of crank shaft? No, they are. Any pictures of the shop, or did I miss that part without translating it? No pictures (except of the Deckel FP1 in action and my press) FP1/press (but FP1 only very partial): http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/vtm87/baubilder.html OK, I do have pictures of my shop, but they also shoow drunken people, Schnapps-bottles and beer. ;-)) Not for public use! Hey folks, makes me happy if you like them. Continue asking! Nick -- "Wissenschafts"-Sendung auf einem der Privat-Kanäle: "Der Behälter fasst 200.000 Kubik-Liter." Wie viele Quadrat-Stunden braucht es dann wohl, um ihn voll zu bekommen? |
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Nick Müller wrote:
Sunworshipper wrote: Even exploded CAD pictures for the 3 cylinder rotary engine, did you do the propeller also? No, didn't do the propeller in CAD. This remains a training task to be done later. 'Am not familiar with nurbs yet. The non-virtual propeller I made myself. I was looking for one quite a long time until I was fed up of what I found. Cut some plywood, sand to shape (beld sander), oil, done. 10 minutes if you made your third. Oh, it's not a rotary engine. I made a rotary version of it, but no pics (looks quite the same, only 2 or 3 parts changed), not worth showing. Are the cylinders off set? Not pointing to the CL of crank shaft? No, they are. Any pictures of the shop, or did I miss that part without translating it? No pictures (except of the Deckel FP1 in action and my press) FP1/press (but FP1 only very partial): http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/vtm87/baubilder.html OK, I do have pictures of my shop, but they also shoow drunken people, Schnapps-bottles and beer. ;-)) Not for public use! Hey folks, makes me happy if you like them. Continue asking! Nick Re; the offset cylinders- you have a master connecting rod or three rods side by side on the journal? These are beautious little engines, far beyond my attention span and abilities. Many thanks for displaying them. John |
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JohnM wrote:
Re; the offset cylinders- you have a master connecting rod or three rods side by side on the journal? No master rod. "KISS" design. :-) These are beautious little engines, far beyond my attention span and abilities. The air operated engine (DLM-S3a) is really simple. If you do have a lathe, some files & drills, a jig saw and a soldering iron you're on the track. The book I adopted the design from is: "Unusual Projects from the first Year of Model Craftsman Magazine". Lindsay Publications; ISBN 1-55918-237-7. Nice reprint, fun reading it! Camden books has it, but there should be a better source in the USA. Many thanks for displaying them. You and all the others who like them are welcome! Feel free to ask me another hole into my belly (as we say in German). Nick -- Motormodelle / Engine Models http://www.motor-manufaktur.de |
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"Nick Müller" wrote in message ... Nick Müller wrote: [some pointer to a HP without URL] **ManOMan**! Guess I need some sleep now! 8-/ http://www.motor-manufaktur.de Sorry for my nearly useless posting, and thanks to Ed for waking me up! Nick -- Cool pix -- I suppose the real story behind the picture at http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/dlms3a/index.html is you are holding the model while the plastic tube goes down to the beer ??? mikey (who someday will get a chance to build an engine) |
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Mike Fields wrote:
I suppose the real story behind the picture at http://www.motor-manufaktur.de/dlms3a/index.html is you are holding the model while the plastic tube goes down to the beer ??? No, that's not mee. A friend of mine. I'm about the same age, but not looking that old. :-)) And no, no beer at that time, it was about 11 am. Sorry. :-)) Nick -- Motormodelle / Engine Models http://www.motor-manufaktur.de |
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