I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it (although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it up a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with about
20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades? Also, is there
any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like how to correctly
sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust the equipment,
etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site, but the manuals
don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder. The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs coming
from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder made in
America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm just a home
hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as possible. It's
just that the price difference between the two welders is about $300 and I
haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my skills.
Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it (although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it up a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades? Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site, but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder. The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm just a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about $300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it (although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it up a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades? Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site, but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder. The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm just a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about $300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

Used American spot welders are cheap enough at auction, private sale or even
on ebay. Why bother with Chinese stuff in this case?

I hope you realize how lucky a guy you are....I know of MANY people who
have been looking for years for that collection of Di Acro equipment.

Good sheet metal equipment at a reasonable price is hard to find.

TMT

Larry... I don't think that would work. A spot welder uses a much higher
current at a much lower voltage.... in the many hundreds of amps range.
Enough to heat a 5/8" solid copper bar VERY hot.

P.S. The equipment used to be mine.

Mark




"larry g" wrote in message
...
Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it
(although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just
perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it up
a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades? Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust
the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site,
but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder.
The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm just
a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as
possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about
$300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

Hi,

Yes, I do realize how lucky I am. The guy I bought the equipment from is
the same guy who basically taught me how to use it and let me use it (along
with other equipment) at his shop. I have been looking for equipment like
this for about 3 years now, and I just feel "lucky as heck" - and
appreciative for my buddy Mark.

Thanks for the reply.

Dave

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message
oups.com...
I hope you realize how lucky a guy you are....I know of MANY people who
have been looking for years for that collection of Di Acro equipment.

Good sheet metal equipment at a reasonable price is hard to find.

TMT

Hey Mark,

I do think that you are right, although I saw something on eBay where a
person could use a welder as a power supply for a spot welder. I'm not too
sure how well it would work. I'm just happy as a pig in mud with the
stuff - thanks!

Dave

"M" mark@maxmachinedotcom wrote in message
...
Larry... I don't think that would work. A spot welder uses a much higher
current at a much lower voltage.... in the many hundreds of amps range.
Enough to heat a 5/8" solid copper bar VERY hot.

P.S. The equipment used to be mine.

Mark




"larry g" wrote in message
...
Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use
it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own
machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it
(although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just
perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it
up
a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades?
Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like
how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust
the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site,
but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder.
The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder
made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm
just
a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as
possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about
$300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

Mark,

I forgot to ask - in your opinion, is there significant differences between
the 220V and the 110V welders? I know that the 220V welders are rated for
something like 3/16" and the 110V welders are rated for 1/8", but I'm not
too sure how to relate that to real functionality. I believe that your spot
welder is 220V and that this has pleanty of power for all of my use thus
far. I see the Miller 110V welders on eBay all of the time but rarely the
220V welders.

What do you think?

Dave

"M" mark@maxmachinedotcom wrote in message
...
Larry... I don't think that would work. A spot welder uses a much higher
current at a much lower voltage.... in the many hundreds of amps range.
Enough to heat a 5/8" solid copper bar VERY hot.

P.S. The equipment used to be mine.

Mark




"larry g" wrote in message
...
Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use
it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own
machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it
(although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just
perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it
up
a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades?
Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like
how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust
the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site,
but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder.
The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder
made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm
just
a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as
possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about
$300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

Personally, I would not use a 110 volt unit unless it was given to me and I
had nothing else to use. The duty cycle will be lower, the capacity is less,
and it is hard enough to get good spot welds with a hand held unit to begin
with.

Mark




"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
Mark,

I forgot to ask - in your opinion, is there significant differences
between
the 220V and the 110V welders? I know that the 220V welders are rated for
something like 3/16" and the 110V welders are rated for 1/8", but I'm not
too sure how to relate that to real functionality. I believe that your
spot
welder is 220V and that this has pleanty of power for all of my use thus
far. I see the Miller 110V welders on eBay all of the time but rarely the
220V welders.

What do you think?

Dave

"M" mark@maxmachinedotcom wrote in message
...
Larry... I don't think that would work. A spot welder uses a much
higher
current at a much lower voltage.... in the many hundreds of amps
range.
Enough to heat a 5/8" solid copper bar VERY hot.

P.S. The equipment used to be mine.

Mark




"larry g" wrote in message
...
Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use
it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own
machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it
(although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just
perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it
up
a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working
with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades?
Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like
how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly
adjust
the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site,
but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder.
The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder
made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm
just
a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as
possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about
$300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

M
Don't most spot welders have a capacitor bank that is charged then dumped
into the load for the spot weld. It would seem to me that someone would
have a control box with caps that would use a standard welder for power to
charge the caps. Don't know that to be fact just seems like a workable idea
that may be out there.
lg

"M" mark@maxmachinedotcom wrote in message
...
Larry... I don't think that would work. A spot welder uses a much higher
current at a much lower voltage.... in the many hundreds of amps range.
Enough to heat a 5/8" solid copper bar VERY hot.

P.S. The equipment used to be mine.

Mark




"larry g" wrote in message
...
Dave
Just a thought, you have that big Lincoln welder, is it possible to use
it
as a power source for a set of spot welder tongs? I realize that there
would have to be some circuitry in between the two but is such a device
commercially available or does the spot welder have to be its own
machine?
lg
no neat sig line.

"David Pidwerbecki" wrote in message
...
I have done a little sheet metal work and have really enjoyed it
(although
I'm still a novice). I have a friend who recently shut down his sign
business and sold me some of his sheet metal equipment. It is just
perfect
for my home shop:

* Di Acro 24" shear
* Di Acro 24" brake
* Di Acro 6" notcher
* Berkroy 24" rolls

All of the equipment is on stands/casters. I have to clean some of it
up
a
little, etc. , but in general, it's in good shape.

I have a question about the shear. If I plan on primarily working with
about 20 gage steel, what spacing should I put between the blades?
Also,
is there any literature showing how to maintain this equipment, like
how
to correctly sharpen the blades (angles, etc.), how to properly adjust
the
equipment, etc.? I have printed the manuals from the DiAcro web site,
but
the manuals don't have much on tool maintenance and adjustments.

Of course, with all of that equipment, I'm looking for a spot welder.
The
American brand is Miller, but there are a number of Miller knock-offs
coming from China (as sold at Harbor Freight). Is the Miller welder
made
in America? Is it significantly superior to the China versions? I'm
just
a
home hobbiest, yet I try to support American industry a much as
possible.
It's just that the price difference between the two welders is about
$300
and I haven't personally held the Miller welder.

What is your opinion of the Miller vs. the Chineese spot welders?

I'm just tickled pink with my purchase and look forward to honing my
skills. Please reply to my questions and thanks.

Dave

Google DiAcro and you can down load their manuals. Don't touch the
shear adjustments and sharpening until you have read the manual.

Chuck P.

On Sun, 22 May 2005 11:27:25 -0700, the renowned "larry g"
wrote:

M
Don't most spot welders have a capacitor bank that is charged then dumped
into the load for the spot weld. It would seem to me that someone would
have a control box with caps that would use a standard welder for power to
charge the caps. Don't know that to be fact just seems like a workable idea
that may be out there.
lg

As "M" said, the current is much higher and the open-circuit voltage
much lower for a spot welder. About an order of magnitude different,
so it wouldn't be the same transformer (the secondary winding, in
particular would have far fewer turns and would be much heavier).


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
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Thank you I have learned something today.
lg
no neat sig line