I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?



Joe

Why didn't you just use an "old work" box? It has ears that fold in so
you can push the box into the wall and then they fold out to catch the
inside of the drywall when you tighten the screws.

Bobby

Bobby_M wrote:
Why didn't you just use an "old work" box? It has ears that fold in
so
you can push the box into the wall and then they fold out to catch
the
inside of the drywall when you tighten the screws.

Bobby

My guess is "I didn't know"!

I'll have to rummage around HD and see all the options they have.

Thanks for cluing me.

In the meantime, is what I did "okay" or should I swap it out with a
differently mounting box?


Joe

In the meantime, is what I did "okay" or should I swap it out with a
differently mounting box?


Will it hold up to someone REALLY firmly plugging something in, or someone
tripping over a cord plugged into it?

John Harlow wrote:
In the meantime, is what I did "okay" or should I swap it out with
a
differently mounting box?


Will it hold up to someone REALLY firmly plugging something in, or
someone
tripping over a cord plugged into it?


Absolutely. I'm quite sure I could not get the box off without getting
into the joint with a prying tool and busting the plastic box apart.

But I don't really know what Liquid Nails is like after 30 years and I
don't know if such an attachment is "legal".


Joe

In article . com, "Joe S" wrote:

But I don't really know what Liquid Nails is like after 30 years

Brittle.

and I don't know if such an attachment is "legal".

Not Code-compliant, at any rate.

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And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?

Joe S wrote:
Bobby_M wrote:
Why didn't you just use an "old work" box? It has ears that fold in
so
you can push the box into the wall and then they fold out to catch
the
inside of the drywall when you tighten the screws.

Bobby

My guess is "I didn't know"!

I'll have to rummage around HD and see all the options they have.

There are "old work" boxes with flanges that spread to either side,
which won't work in a hole that's right next to a stud or other
obstruction. There are others that have little ears that rotate outward
at the top and bottom, which require a little clear space above and
below but not to the sides.

From what I've seen, the former are always metal and the latter are
always plastic. But there's lots of things that I haven't seen.

Chip C

On 15 Mar 2005 09:17:09 -0800, "Joe S" wrote:

I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?

I have seen electrian's on some job sites use screws when they could
not nail. When they installed the outlet they would wrap electrial
tape around the outlet.

Are you sure you can't put in a screw at an angle or with an offset
screwdriver? It won't be easy but might be possible, even on a single
wide box.

"Joe S" wrote:
I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

Although it isn't explicitly forbidden, I doubt too many inspectors would pass
it. I wouldn't trust Liquid Nails to stay secure for the projected installed
life of the box.

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?

Not code unless something non-conductive covers the screw heads. NEC doesn't
like having any way for a current-carrying conductor to energize metal that goes
outside the box.

Andy Hill writes:
The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?

Not code unless something non-conductive covers the screw heads. NEC doesn't
like having any way for a current-carrying conductor to energize metal that goes
outside the box.

Why are metal screws any more or less dangerous than metal nails?

At least with the metal boxes we have in our house, I have seen that
some are attached with roofing-like nails (large head) and others
with drywall screws. I would have thought that grounding protected the boxes.

Are you referring to plastic boxes when you say that internal screws
are not allowed?

"Andy Hill" wrote in message
...
"Joe S" wrote:
I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

Although it isn't explicitly forbidden, I doubt too many inspectors would
pass
it. I wouldn't trust Liquid Nails to stay secure for the projected
installed
life of the box.

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?

Not code unless something non-conductive covers the screw heads. NEC
doesn't
like having any way for a current-carrying conductor to energize metal
that goes
outside the box.
Please site code section for your interpretation.

Screws into the structure is what I would have done. Adhesive is definitely
a no-no, besides it is flammable. The ground wires are exposed in the box as
well.

A craftsman would train the wires so that there are no exposed conductors or
grounded surfaces in contact with the current carrying wires. Some might
even use electrical tape to cover up the screws on the sides as additional
protection.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:30:53 -0500, Bill Davis Jr wrote:

On 15 Mar 2005 09:17:09 -0800, "Joe S" wrote:

I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?

I have seen electrian's on some job sites use screws when they could
not nail. When they installed the outlet they would wrap electrial
tape around the outlet.


Having screws inside the box isn't a real problem, imho. I hang handy
boxes and I use screws to mount them.

Pluse when you hang metal boxes, the recetacle is 'surrounded' by
metal. Just remember to turn in all you unused terminal screws for
safety.

imho,

tom

On 15 Mar 2005 09:17:09 -0800, "Joe S" wrote:

I relocated an outlet to a location where I just could not manage to
nail it to the stud. I attached it using Liquid Nails. Is this method
"acceptable"?

The builder had attached the box with 2 small screws (with metal
screwheads exposed inside the box)...any comments on this method?



Joe


I think these can be secured right on the edge, rather than going
through the side with screws.

http://www.chopurl.com?704


I've heard if you disassemble them, mount the base first, then screw
in the box is easier in tight areas.

hth,

tom