My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green wires
attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem to be
connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the red and
green attached to the screws. Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the
main box in the closet.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and starts
from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My ADSL connection
is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3. My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.
Hopefully, I gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm
this and possibly offer alternatives?

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year or
two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Barry

Barry wrote:

My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green
wires attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem
to be connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the
red and green attached to the screws.

This would make sense. The red & green connected to the screws
go to the two center "pins" in the modular connector. What
they've done is wire your Jack 2 as a single line jack.

Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the main box in the closet.

Makes sense too.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and
starts from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My
ADSL connection is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to
do it, is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened
the jack 3 and noticed that the red and green wires are attached
to the screws, and the yellow and black wires are connected to
the ADSL box right next to jack 3. My guess from the reading
I've done is that I cannot use the jack 3 wiring to get a
connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom) since the ADSL
connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires. Hopefully, I
gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm this and
possibly offer alternatives?

It all makes sense. First question: do you need *both* line 1
and line 2 available on jack 3?? If not you could swap line 2
for line 1, but something tells me that's not an option.

If so, then it sure sounds like you need to run another or
different piece of wire. You could replace the 2-pair going
from the closet to jack 3 with a piece of Cat-5 network
cable, which would give you 4 pairs, 1 more than you need.
Or if the wire is all stapled in place you could just run a
2nd 2-pair along side of it. But in any case it sounds like
the existing wire is totally full, no room to expand there.

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year
or two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Again, makes sense. Whoever installed the ADSL (Assuming that
was the last added?) used the available 2nd pair on the wire
carrying your single line to jack 3. That's the whole idea,
from an installer's viewpoint.


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On 31-Oct-2004, (Barry) wrote:

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3.

So, unless your wiring is switched around somewhere and the color coding
is messed up, DSL is on line 2.

My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.

Why not? R/G is line 1 and your DSL is on line two.

BTW, what do you have connected to line 2 in the bedroom? If anything
is attached it should have a DSL filter in it.

Mike

My adsl line IS my main phone line. Nothing was added or changed to
get ADSL from SBC. They just sent a box of filters with the modem.
I have attached filters to all the phones in the house, but no wiring
changes were necessary.

To protect my ADSL line from interference and to insure a great
connection, I did some modifications to my house wiring.

I ran new Cat 5 network cable from my ADSL modem to the outside box.
I connected directly to the lugs coming from the ground bypasing the
plugin in the outside box.

I recommend you keep that in mind when you start adding phone lines
in your house. But, yes, you can do it without calling the tech, but
you may need to run a second line.






On 31 Oct 2004 20:45:32 -0800, (Barry) wrote:

My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green wires
attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem to be
connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the red and
green attached to the screws. Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the
main box in the closet.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and starts
from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My ADSL connection
is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3. My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.
Hopefully, I gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm
this and possibly offer alternatives?

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year or
two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Barry

Do you have two phone #s, one for each line?

All 4-wire phone cables can handle two lines. The first line (R/G) goes
to the inside pins of the RJ-11 jack. The second line (B/Y) goes to the
next outside pins on the RJ-11. Of course, unless you have a multi-line
phone, the B/Y wires need to be connected to the inside pins on the "2nd
line" jack for a standard phone to work.

DSL can run either on an existing line (requires filters), or it could
be on it's own line.

You should draw a picture for yourself showing what service is on what
line before you start, but adding another extension to an existing phone
line is a simple do-it-yourself project.

Barry wrote:
My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green wires
attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem to be
connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the red and
green attached to the screws. Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the
main box in the closet.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and starts
from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My ADSL connection
is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3. My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.
Hopefully, I gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm
this and possibly offer alternatives?

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year or
two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Barry

"I-zheet M'drurz" wrote in message ...
Barry wrote:

My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green
wires attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem
to be connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the
red and green attached to the screws.

This would make sense. The red & green connected to the screws
go to the two center "pins" in the modular connector. What
they've done is wire your Jack 2 as a single line jack.

Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the main box in the closet.

Makes sense too.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and
starts from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My
ADSL connection is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to
do it, is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened
the jack 3 and noticed that the red and green wires are attached
to the screws, and the yellow and black wires are connected to
the ADSL box right next to jack 3. My guess from the reading
I've done is that I cannot use the jack 3 wiring to get a
connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom) since the ADSL
connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires. Hopefully, I
gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm this and
possibly offer alternatives?

It all makes sense. First question: do you need *both* line 1
and line 2 available on jack 3?? If not you could swap line 2
for line 1, but something tells me that's not an option.

If so, then it sure sounds like you need to run another or
different piece of wire. You could replace the 2-pair going
from the closet to jack 3 with a piece of Cat-5 network
cable, which would give you 4 pairs, 1 more than you need.
Or if the wire is all stapled in place you could just run a
2nd 2-pair along side of it. But in any case it sounds like
the existing wire is totally full, no room to expand there.

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year
or two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Again, makes sense. Whoever installed the ADSL (Assuming that
was the last added?) used the available 2nd pair on the wire
carrying your single line to jack 3. That's the whole idea,
from an installer's viewpoint.


Yes, I need both lines at my computer. I wonder how the telco would
have installed the ADSL if I originally had jack 3 setup with both
lines.

Barry

"Michael Daly" wrote in message ...
On 31-Oct-2004, (Barry) wrote:

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3.

So, unless your wiring is switched around somewhere and the color coding
is messed up, DSL is on line 2.

My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.

Why not? R/G is line 1 and your DSL is on line two.

How can I tell if when jack 3 was originally installed the telco
person brought both lines to that jack? If that ends up being the
case, are you saying that the yellow/black wires are the ones
currently activated in jack 3 (for line 2 and ADSL) and that I can
activate the red/green wires by connecting them?


BTW, what do you have connected to line 2 in the bedroom? If anything
is attached it should have a DSL filter in it.

Mike

A telephone is attached to line 2 in the bedroom, with no DSL filter.
I haven't had a problem at all but will look into adding a filter.

Barry

Barry wrote:

Yes, I need both lines at my computer. I wonder how the telco
would have installed the ADSL if I originally had jack 3 setup
with both lines.

:-) No magic wands for them either, they would have needed to
run another piece of wire.

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aka I-zheet M'drurz [ have some sympathy, and some taste.
Accept no substitutes! [ Use all your well-learned politesse,
$1 to Mick for the .sig ---[ or I'll lay your soul to waste.

On 1-Nov-2004, (Barry) wrote:

How can I tell if when jack 3 was originally installed the telco
person brought both lines to that jack?

Switch the lines (i.e disconnect Y/B and connect R/G) and then see
if you get a dial tone. Can you open the box in the closet to check
for a physical connection?

If that ends up being the
case, are you saying that the yellow/black wires are the ones
currently activated in jack 3 (for line 2 and ADSL) and that I can
activate the red/green wires by connecting them?

Yes.

Mike

I do have 2 phone numbers, one for each line.

I believe my DSL setup is that it is running on its own line. That
was what I was told by the Covad technician when it was installed.
Earthlink also confirmed this when I asked them. That's also what it
looks like in the closet where the DSL box is.

So, if the above is true am I correct in stating that at jack 3 two
lines are already being used; one line for tel #2 and one line for DSL
and if that is the case I need new wiring from the closet?

Barry


Pat Coghlan wrote in message . ..
Do you have two phone #s, one for each line?

All 4-wire phone cables can handle two lines. The first line (R/G) goes
to the inside pins of the RJ-11 jack. The second line (B/Y) goes to the
next outside pins on the RJ-11. Of course, unless you have a multi-line
phone, the B/Y wires need to be connected to the inside pins on the "2nd
line" jack for a standard phone to work.

DSL can run either on an existing line (requires filters), or it could
be on it's own line.

You should draw a picture for yourself showing what service is on what
line before you start, but adding another extension to an existing phone
line is a simple do-it-yourself project.

Barry wrote:
My current setup is as follows:

I have 2 lines coming into the home. There are 2 jacks in the
bedroom, 1 for each line. Jack 1 (line 1) has the red and green wires
attached to the screws. The yellow and black wires seem to be
connected to the back of jack 2 (line 2). Jack 2 has the red and
green attached to the screws. Jack 1 is connected by a cable to the
main box in the closet.

I also have a jack 3 (with line 2) at my computer. That jack is
attached to a separate cable than Jack 1 is attached to and starts
from the same box in the closet as Jack 1 starts. My ADSL connection
is attached to jack 3.

What I want to do, without having to pay $200 for the telco to do it,
is have a jack 4 at my computer with line 1. I opened the jack 3 and
noticed that the red and green wires are attached to the screws, and
the yellow and black wires are connected to the ADSL box right next to
jack 3. My guess from the reading I've done is that I cannot use the
jack 3 wiring to get a connection to line 1 (as I have in my bedroom)
since the ADSL connection is using the yeloow/black set of wires.
Hopefully, I gave enough of a description that somebody can confirm
this and possibly offer alternatives?

One other thing, the ADSL connection with jack 3 was made a year or
two after the 3 jacks were initially installed.

Barry

Barry wrote:

I do have 2 phone numbers, one for each line.

I believe my DSL setup is that it is running on its own line.
That was what I was told by the Covad technician when it was
installed. Earthlink also confirmed this when I asked them.
That's also what it looks like in the closet where the DSL box
is.

All 100% correct, based on what you've described of the wiring.

So, if the above is true am I correct in stating that at jack 3
two lines are already being used; one line for tel #2 and one
line for DSL and if that is the case I need new wiring from the
closet?

It is, yes, yes. It IS the case, yes. Either a 2nd run of common
indoor 2-pair phone wire (the round gray stuff, not the flat like
goes between modular connectors) *OR* replace the existing 2-pair
with a piece of Cat 5 network cable, which has 4 pairs.


--
The real Tom Pendergast [ So if you meet me, have some courtesy,
aka I-zheet M'drurz [ have some sympathy, and some taste.
Accept no substitutes! [ Use all your well-learned politesse,
$1 to Mick for the .sig ---[ or I'll lay your soul to waste.

"I-zheet M'drurz" wrote in message ...
Barry wrote:

I do have 2 phone numbers, one for each line.

I believe my DSL setup is that it is running on its own line.
That was what I was told by the Covad technician when it was
installed. Earthlink also confirmed this when I asked them.
That's also what it looks like in the closet where the DSL box
is.

All 100% correct, based on what you've described of the wiring.

So, if the above is true am I correct in stating that at jack 3
two lines are already being used; one line for tel #2 and one
line for DSL and if that is the case I need new wiring from the
closet?

It is, yes, yes. It IS the case, yes. Either a 2nd run of common
indoor 2-pair phone wire (the round gray stuff, not the flat like
goes between modular connectors) *OR* replace the existing 2-pair
with a piece of Cat 5 network cable, which has 4 pairs.

Okay, let me ask this question. We have determined that jack 3
already has all 4 wires being used; 1 set of wires for line 2 and one
set for the DSL line. If I wanted to try Verizon DSL service on line
2 (using a self install kit from Verizon) at jack 3 would it interfere
with my current DSL setup at jack 3?

Barry wrote:

Okay, let me ask this question. We have determined that jack 3
already has all 4 wires being used; 1 set of wires for line 2
and one set for the DSL line. If I wanted to try Verizon DSL
service on line 2 (using a self install kit from Verizon) at
jack 3 would it interfere with my current DSL setup at jack 3?

Personally, I have on idea, don't know that much about DSL.
I'm sure somebody else will, this being Usenet and all lol.

--
The real Tom Pendergast [ So if you meet me, have some courtesy,
aka I-zheet M'drurz [ have some sympathy, and some taste.
Accept no substitutes! [ Use all your well-learned politesse,
$1 to Mick for the .sig ---[ or I'll lay your soul to waste.