Here in NYC we are expected to have Carbon Monoxide detectors installed by
November 1st. They are supposed to be 15' from all bedrooms. I'd also like
to install one in the cellar near the furnace. One with a digital read out.
I'd like one that plugs in, but uses a line cord. The outlets in the cellar
are on electrical boxes being fed by conduit. But I can easily mount one
somewhere on the brick wall and plug in. But the only one I've found with a
line cord was a simple one without a read out.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote:

Here in NYC we are expected to have Carbon Monoxide detectors installed by
November 1st. They are supposed to be 15' from all bedrooms. I'd also like
to install one in the cellar near the furnace. One with a digital read out.
I'd like one that plugs in, but uses a line cord. The outlets in the cellar
are on electrical boxes being fed by conduit. But I can easily mount one
somewhere on the brick wall and plug in. But the only one I've found with a
line cord was a simple one without a read out.

Don donwiss at panix.com.


I have a plugin CO detector in my basement. It is a Nighthawk and has a
red LED readout and an audible signal. Got it at HD.
Here is the Nighthawk web site. The model shown is a newer design than
mine. Mine doesn't have battery backup.
http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:25:00 -0400, willshak wrote:

Don Wiss wrote:

Here in NYC we are expected to have Carbon Monoxide detectors installed by
November 1st. They are supposed to be 15' from all bedrooms. I'd also like
to install one in the cellar near the furnace. One with a digital read out.
I'd like one that plugs in, but uses a line cord. The outlets in the cellar
are on electrical boxes being fed by conduit. But I can easily mount one
somewhere on the brick wall and plug in. But the only one I've found with a
line cord was a simple one without a read out.

I have a plugin CO detector in my basement. It is a Nighthawk and has a
red LED readout and an audible signal. Got it at HD.
Here is the Nighthawk web site. The model shown is a newer design than
mine. Mine doesn't have battery backup.
http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html

I don't see any line cord.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Nighthawk, and for the basement they have a model that also has a
natural gas detector Co detector in one unit, with digital display. The
plug in, with cord, Co digital read out has been available for years and
has battery backup

Remember one thing about CO detectors, they read what is specified by CPSC.
That level of read out is unacceptable.

The best CO detectors ( and the ones I have in my house are here.
www.coexperts.com

FWIW, Here is the info off of a line card.

Desirable level 0 PPM
Acceptable level of CO in any living space 9 PPM
Max Concentration for continuous exposure in any 8 hr. period 50 PPM
Frontal headaches 1 to 2 hrs, life threatening after 3 hours 400 PPM
Nausea and convulsions, death within 2 hours 800 PPM
Nausea within 20 minutes, death within 1 hour 1600 PPM
Death with in 1-3 minutes 12,800 PPM

I got this info from Bacharach, Inc., makers of test instruments. They do
have a website, http://www.bacharach-inc.com/




"Don Wiss" wrote in message
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Here in NYC we are expected to have Carbon Monoxide detectors installed by
November 1st. They are supposed to be 15' from all bedrooms. I'd also like
to install one in the cellar near the furnace. One with a digital read
out.
I'd like one that plugs in, but uses a line cord. The outlets in the
cellar
are on electrical boxes being fed by conduit. But I can easily mount one
somewhere on the brick wall and plug in. But the only one I've found with
a
line cord was a simple one without a read out.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:25:00 -0400, willshak wrote:



Don Wiss wrote:



Here in NYC we are expected to have Carbon Monoxide detectors installed by
November 1st. They are supposed to be 15' from all bedrooms. I'd also like
to install one in the cellar near the furnace. One with a digital read out.
I'd like one that plugs in, but uses a line cord. The outlets in the cellar
are on electrical boxes being fed by conduit. But I can easily mount one
somewhere on the brick wall and plug in. But the only one I've found with a
line cord was a simple one without a read out.



I have a plugin CO detector in my basement. It is a Nighthawk and has a
red LED readout and an audible signal. Got it at HD.
Here is the Nighthawk web site. The model shown is a newer design than
mine. Mine doesn't have battery backup.
http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html



I don't see any line cord.


Just because they don't show the cord, doesn't mean it doesn't have one.
Why would it have a battery backup then?

Don donwiss at panix.com.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak wrote:

http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html

I don't see any line cord.

Just because they don't show the cord, doesn't mean it doesn't have one.
Why would it have a battery backup then?

Because it is 110 volts, but like most of them plugs directly into the
outlet without a cord.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:29:57 -0500, (m Ransley) wrote:

Nighthawk, and for the basement they have a model that also has a
natural gas detector Co detector in one unit, with digital display. The
plug in, with cord, Co digital read out has been available for years and
has battery backup

Sounds good. But I was unable to find it on the web.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak wrote:



http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html


I don't see any line cord.



Just because they don't show the cord, doesn't mean it doesn't have one.
Why would it have a battery backup then?



Because it is 110 volts, but like most of them plugs directly into the
outlet without a cord.


Fair enough!
From the HD site -specifications
Features include a 3-way mounting option: plug directly into AC
receptacle, mount on a tabletop using supplied 8-ft. power cord, or
wall-mount. Digital readout continuously displays carbon monoxide levels
from 30-999 parts per million. The display reads "Gas" when explosive
gas reaches dangerous level. The loud 85 dB alarm sounds when CO and/or
explosive gas reaches dangerous levels. This unit has a permanent sensor
that never needs replacement. Another feature is the peak-level memory
which means the unit will recall the highest level of CO present since
previous reset. 5-year limited warranty.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:57:52 -0400, willshak wrote:

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak wrote:

http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html

I don't see any line cord.

From the HD site -specifications
Features include a 3-way mounting option: plug directly into AC
receptacle, mount on a tabletop using supplied 8-ft. power cord, or
wall-mount.

Okay. I wonder where the prongs go when wall mounted? I'm heading down to
Home Depot now to see what they have. Locally all CO detectors are sold
out. It wouldn't surprise me if HD is also. But I need some flower bulbs,
so my trip won't be wasted.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:57:52 -0400, willshak wrote:



Don Wiss wrote:



On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak wrote:



http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html



I don't see any line cord.





From the HD site -specifications
Features include a 3-way mounting option: plug directly into AC
receptacle, mount on a tabletop using supplied 8-ft. power cord, or
wall-mount.



Okay. I wonder where the prongs go when wall mounted? I'm heading down to
Home Depot now to see what they have. Locally all CO detectors are sold
out. It wouldn't surprise me if HD is also. But I need some flower bulbs,
so my trip won't be wasted.

Don donwiss at panix.com.


Don't know. Mine has the cord permanently attached with a keyhole slot
on the back to hang on a screw or nail in the wall. Mine cannot stand on
a table or shell, since the cord comes out of the bottom.

willshak wrote:

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:57:52 -0400, willshak
wrote:



Don Wiss wrote:



On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak
wrote:



http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html



I don't see any line cord.





From the HD site -specifications
Features include a 3-way mounting option: plug directly into AC
receptacle, mount on a tabletop using supplied 8-ft. power cord, or
wall-mount.


Okay. I wonder where the prongs go when wall mounted? I'm heading
down to
Home Depot now to see what they have. Locally all CO detectors are sold
out. It wouldn't surprise me if HD is also. But I need some flower
bulbs,
so my trip won't be wasted.

Don donwiss at panix.com.


Don't know. Mine has the cord permanently attached with a keyhole slot
on the back to hang on a screw or nail in the wall. Mine cannot stand
on a table or shell, since the cord comes out of the
bottom. ^^^^^ shelf

Don Wiss wrote:

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:57:52 -0400, willshak wrote:



Don Wiss wrote:



On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:58:09 -0400, willshak wrote:



http://www.mwenergy.com/nighthawk.html



I don't see any line cord.





From the HD site -specifications
Features include a 3-way mounting option: plug directly into AC
receptacle, mount on a tabletop using supplied 8-ft. power cord, or
wall-mount.



Okay. I wonder where the prongs go when wall mounted? I'm heading down to
Home Depot now to see what they have. Locally all CO detectors are sold
out. It wouldn't surprise me if HD is also. But I need some flower bulbs,
so my trip won't be wasted.

Don donwiss at panix.com.


Don't know. Mine has the cord permanently attached with a keyhole slot
on the back to hang on a screw or nail in the wall. Mine cannot stand on
a table or shelf, since the cord comes out of the bottom.

Fine. I'll read about you and your family in the obituary's...

Mine has only gone off once and that was not a false alarm. Believe me, my
systems are top notch tuned up.

"Ann Onymous" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Remember one thing about CO detectors, they read what is specified by
CPSC.
That level of read out is unacceptable.

How so? CO detectors are designed to detect CO released from
malfunctioning combustion appliances. Pretty much any CO detector out
there will accomplish this job just fine.

If you're truly paranoid and want to have protection against even really
low levels of CO, then spend your money and buy one of the highly-
overpriced "low level" detectors. Chances are you'll quit using it when
it keeps alarming for no good reason.

The best defence against carbon monoxide poisoning is ensuring that your
furnace, gas fireplace, and any other combustion appliances are in good
working order and inspected professionally once per year. Carbon
monoxide detectors are simply a backup in case something goes wrong (in
which case, the alarm thresholds will be easily passed).

Co detectors, % level of Co to sound alarm was raised a few years ago
as to reduce false alarms. A few years ago in Chicago a weather
inversion layer caused apx 1100 false alarms to the fire dept. They are
safe today and can be checked for Peak Co reading in memory on many
models like Nighthawk digital.

Those were primarily the Biomimetc type of alarm as made by
manufacturers such as Quantum/First Alert.
the UL standard was subsequently amended to prevent a repitition.

Currently the electrochemical cell type is best bet for long term
integtrity.

(m Ransley) wrote in message ...
Co detectors, % level of Co to sound alarm was raised a few years ago
as to reduce false alarms. A few years ago in Chicago a weather
inversion layer caused apx 1100 false alarms to the fire dept. They are
safe today and can be checked for Peak Co reading in memory on many
models like Nighthawk digital.

"Ann Onymous" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Fine. I'll read about you and your family in the obituary's...

If the CO levels in my home get high enough to cause death, my CO
detectors will most definitely trigger (as will pretty much all CO
detectors out there).

The "low level" detectors mentioned will catch very low level exposure to
CO, which may cause health problems, but most certainly won't cause
death.


Really? The ones you are talking about _don't_ always go off..... I know.

Ann Onymous wrote:

In article ,
says...

Remember one thing about CO detectors, they read what is specified by CPSC.
That level of read out is unacceptable.


How so? CO detectors are designed to detect CO released from
malfunctioning combustion appliances. Pretty much any CO detector out
there will accomplish this job just fine.

I don't think that is so. We had one (I can't recall the brand but it
was one of the companies that makes smoke detectors) that went off. We
rushed outside and called the fire department; they came quickly and
impressively, with all kinds of equipment, and found there was no CO.
They suggested I get a Nighthawk as they felt it was the best consumer
level alarm made. We have had our Nighthawk for many years now and it
has performed flawlessly.

I know there is an argument that the one I had that went off erroneously
probably would have gone off had there been a dangerous level of CO, but
I think a detector that goes off erroneously is more likely to be
ignored when there is a true danger.

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there.

It's your life.

I will not toy with the lives of my kids. If you remember the chart I
copied, it said 0 PPM was Desirable. That's what I strive for in my house.


"Ann Onymous" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
Really? The ones you are talking about _don't_ always go off..... I
know.

So, what's your point? Smoke detectors _don't_ always go off when they
should. No 'detector' will ever work perfectly.

For the same money, you can buy five or six "regular" CO detectors for
the price of one "low level detection" detector. I'd think the former
would provide more protection against life-threatening levels of CO, with
a far lower chance of not alarming when needed.

"William Brown" wrote in message
...


Ann Onymous wrote:

In article ,
says...

Remember one thing about CO detectors, they read what is specified by
CPSC.
That level of read out is unacceptable.


How so? CO detectors are designed to detect CO released from
malfunctioning combustion appliances. Pretty much any CO detector out
there will accomplish this job just fine.

I don't think that is so. We had one (I can't recall the brand but it
was one of the companies that makes smoke detectors) that went off. We
rushed outside and called the fire department; they came quickly and
impressively, with all kinds of equipment, and found there was no CO.
They suggested I get a Nighthawk as they felt it was the best consumer
level alarm made. We have had our Nighthawk for many years now and it
has performed flawlessly.

I know there is an argument that the one I had that went off erroneously
probably would have gone off had there been a dangerous level of CO, but
I think a detector that goes off erroneously is more likely to be
ignored when there is a true danger.

--

That reminds me of a story about a doctor in NY(?). his CO detector kept
going off and he unplugged it.

He came home from work the next day and his family was dead. The CO
detector was doing it's job, but he didn't believe it. Now he has dead
parents, a dead wife and dead kids.

You can't be too safe.