On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well. He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing. They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing. Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure. Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

We had a similar issue at work. We negotiated a flat fee for water
above the meter but it still saved us thousands by drilling a well.

In my previous house I was charged for sewage proportional to water
usage. Seems reasonable until the irrigation system comes on. I
could have separated the meters, for about $10,000.

The city ran everything from the water to the electric system. At
least we didn't lose water or sewer service once a week.

On 5/23/2021 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well. He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing. They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing. Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure. Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together. We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.

In article , says...
That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together. We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.



I can not understand why there is a seperate sewer and water bill in the
city for the homes. I think the sewer is some sort of a percentage of
the water as the sewer is not measured. Now if there is a seperate
water meter for watering the grass and such, I would understand.

Now if there is a seperate
water meter for watering the grass and such, I would understand.



Mr. Green : Let me get this straight - you get filtered &
purified drinking water pumped to your home - and you use
it to water the lawn ?

Mr. Sprae : Yup.

Mr. Green : Does the lawn feed you or your livestock ?

Mr. Sprae : Nope. It never gets long because I mow it so often
and besides, I spray lots of chemicals on it. Might not be healthy
to eat.

Mr. Green : So you spend hours every week, on your stinky noisy
machine, burning fossil fuel, spraying chemicals on the lovely lawn
flowers - which the bees could put to good use .. ?
This lawn must be very important to you. What does that sign
over there say ?

Mr. Sprae : Keep off the grass.

John T.
who always makes sure that some of his pretty yellow lawn flowers
go-to-seed - so he can share their beauty with all his neighbours.

On 5/24/2021 12:06 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...
That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together. We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.



I can not understand why there is a seperate sewer and water bill in the
city for the homes. I think the sewer is some sort of a percentage of
the water as the sewer is not measured. Now if there is a seperate
water meter for watering the grass and such, I would understand.


Budgets? In some towns they are run separately and depends on the funds
from the bills for funding operations.

When I lived in CT the sewer bill was about 25% of the water bill. Here
in FL I pay more for sewer than I do for water.

Last month water: $7.30
Last month sewer: $16.10
Both billed at 3200 gallons

In addition to a fix rate before us of $9.45 and $22.54

One reason I think, it is flat here and it takes a lot of power to pump
everything to the treatment plant.

The best deal on the same bill is twice a week trash pickup for $14.33.

In article , says...

Budgets? In some towns they are run separately and depends on the funds
from the bills for funding operations.

When I lived in CT the sewer bill was about 25% of the water bill. Here
in FL I pay more for sewer than I do for water.

Last month water: $7.30
Last month sewer: $16.10
Both billed at 3200 gallons

In addition to a fix rate before us of $9.45 and $22.54




Both are usually ran by the same town so it still seems that they would
just allocate so much from a single bill.

The town I live near somehow some large ammount of money from the water
and waste budget was transferred over to the fiber optic internet the
town just had to have. They were loosing money on it abut every year. I
think they finally got some privite company to take it over.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 07:36:45 -0400, Larry posted for all of us to digest...


On 5/23/21 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg



Nice! Built like a brick ****house.

Yeah and a split level to boot!

--
Tekkie

On 5/24/2021 11:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/23/2021 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum.
Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time.Â* With neighbors selling houses I
found
that I probably have a couple minor violations.Â* Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground?Â* It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches.Â* The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well.Â* If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but
does
not matter.Â* Rules are rules.Â* I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well.Â* He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing.Â* They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing.Â* Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure.Â* Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together.Â* We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.

Years ago a guy was being dunned by the county for not paying his sewer
bill. He had water but was using a septic. They were clueless.

My brother has a well but a sewer. I'll have to ask him how or even if
he is billed.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 11:54:44 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well. He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing. They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing. Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure. Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together. We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.

Nope. Septic.

On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:23:27 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/24/2021 11:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/23/2021 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum.
Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time.* With neighbors selling houses I
found
that I probably have a couple minor violations.* Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground?* It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches.* The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well.* If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but
does
not matter.* Rules are rules.* I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well.* He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing.* They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing.* Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure.* Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together.* We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.

Years ago a guy was being dunned by the county for not paying his sewer
bill. He had water but was using a septic. They were clueless.

That's not unusual. The property owner still has to pay the sewer
bond. His property is "improved" by the sewer, even though he doesn't
use it.

My brother has a well but a sewer. I'll have to ask him how or even if
he is billed.

Flat rate, no doubt. It could be part of his property taxes.
TANSTAAFL

On Mon, 24 May 2021 16:23:27 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...


On 5/24/2021 11:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/23/2021 11:07 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 20:15:48 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum.
Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time.* With neighbors selling houses I
found
that I probably have a couple minor violations.* Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground?* It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches.* The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well.* If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but
does
not matter.* Rules are rules.* I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well.* He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That's a money thing.* They want to bill sewer and water.

They said it was a health thing.* Well water and town water couldn't
enter the structure.* Since the well was already plumed in, it all had
to go.

That's BS, though the two systems should not be tied together.* We had a
system in the shop that had a couple of valves to prevent interconnection.

Sewer bill is based on water use and they want to get paid.

Years ago a guy was being dunned by the county for not paying his sewer
bill. He had water but was using a septic. They were clueless.

My brother has a well but a sewer. I'll have to ask him how or even if
he is billed.

Around here I think they are metered. I have well & sewer. The Twp sends
notices every 3+ years to have them cleaned. I have never seen a truck at
either of my neighbors. I don't care, none of my business. I don't see any
indications of failure, no smells or wet spots so eff it. The state makes these
mandates and the Twp knows if they fight it will be a losing battle. The Twp
has really high sewer rates; I am told. We also can't burn leaves

--
Tekkie

In article , says...

Around here I think they are metered. I have well & sewer. The Twp sends
notices every 3+ years to have them cleaned. I have never seen a truck at
either of my neighbors. I don't care, none of my business. I don't see any
indications of failure, no smells or wet spots so eff it. The state makes these
mandates and the Twp knows if they fight it will be a losing battle. The Twp
has really high sewer rates; I am told. We also can't burn leaves




I sure am glad I do not live in that area. I am out in the country and
have the well and septic tank. If I want to burn something I can.
There is a restriction that it has to be natural like leeves and treees,
but a few pieces of cardboard or lumber scraps would hardly be noticed.
If I want to shoot off a few rounds from a gun , no problem.

On Tue, 25 May 2021 17:29:56 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article , says...

Around here I think they are metered. I have well & sewer. The Twp sends
notices every 3+ years to have them cleaned. I have never seen a truck at
either of my neighbors. I don't care, none of my business. I don't see any
indications of failure, no smells or wet spots so eff it. The state makes these
mandates and the Twp knows if they fight it will be a losing battle. The Twp
has really high sewer rates; I am told. We also can't burn leaves




I sure am glad I do not live in that area. I am out in the country and
have the well and septic tank. If I want to burn something I can.
There is a restriction that it has to be natural like leeves and treees,
but a few pieces of cardboard or lumber scraps would hardly be noticed.
If I want to shoot off a few rounds from a gun , no problem.

I don't live in the middle nowhere (town water) and there is no
problem burning leaves, cardboard, or wood (no PT, obviously). There
are "red flag" (dry or high wind) days and air quality alerts when
you're not supposed to burn but they usually only last a few days.