Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?

Im trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine who doesnt use the Internet asked me the question.. She wanted to get a few estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.

She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items. She doesnt want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.

Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.

Were talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.

Thanks!

Deguza

Deguza wrote

Hello all,

all hanged himself, got too many unanswerable querys.

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?

Depends on how competent you are, the
detail of the shed design and what it sits on.

Im trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed.
An elderly friend of mine who doesnt use the Internet
asked me the question. She wanted to get a few
estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.

She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store
some household items. She doesnt want to buy a
pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.

Why not ?

Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.

Were talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.

See above.

On Sat, 22 May 2021 16:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote:

Hello all,
How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?
I’m trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine
who doesn’t use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a few
estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.
She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items.
She doesn’t want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.
Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.
We’re talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.
Thanks!
Deguza


Labour :

1. Digging out and prepping/laying a decent base ?
.. a very important step which could involve a lot of man-hours !
.. think about it - rocks, tree roots, etc
1 - 2 days hard labour - maybe not for a carpenter

2. carpentry hours ? rough guess 2 days.


Not labour :

2. Building permit ? in my area 10 x 12 requires it .

3. Flooring ? pressure treated 5/4 is my preferred.
cheaper choices will rot out in 10 years.

4. Metal roof ? if you say so.

5. don't forget to have some ventilation - screened against bugs.

I'm happy with my circa 1998 9 x 12 salt box.

- copied from my local builder's demo's with a few
minor changes - I just walked in with my tape measure and
clipboard and drew-up a plan. Double-checked my material list
and ordered the lumber next day.

PT 4x4 base and PT 2x4 sill ; 2x4 econo-stud framed ;
board & batten siding rough pine on sale planed 1 side
5/4 PT floor - a splurge - no regrets ; asphalt shingles ;
~ $ 700. materials. ~ triple that today ?
... a labour of love ie: no cost !
Shingles are still OK ! ... buying cheapo shingles for
a garden shed doesn't add up in the long run.
John T.

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On Sat, 22 May 2021 16:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote:

Hello all,
How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?
I'm trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly
friend of mine
who doesn't use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a
few
estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.
She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items.
She doesn't want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.
Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.
We're talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.

Labour :

1. Digging out and prepping/laying a decent base ?
.. a very important step which could involve a lot of man-hours !
.. think about it - rocks, tree roots, etc
1 - 2 days hard labour

Nothing like that for a competent person.

- maybe not for a carpenter

2. carpentry hours ? rough guess 2 days.

Nothing like that for a competent person.

Not labour :

2. Building permit ? in my area 10 x 12 requires it .

3. Flooring ? pressure treated 5/4 is my preferred.
cheaper choices will rot out in 10 years.

Not needed with a concrete base.

4. Metal roof ? if you say so.

5. don't forget to have some ventilation - screened against bugs.

Never bothered with any small shed like that.

I'm happy with my circa 1998 9 x 12 salt box.

- copied from my local builder's demo's with a few
minor changes - I just walked in with my tape measure
and clipboard and drew-up a plan. Double-checked my
material list and ordered the lumber next day.

PT 4x4 base and PT 2x4 sill ; 2x4 econo-stud framed ;
board & batten siding rough pine on sale planed 1 side
5/4 PT floor - a splurge - no regrets ; asphalt shingles ;
~ $ 700. materials. ~ triple that today ?

Nothing like that for a decent shed today.

... a labour of love ie: no cost !
Shingles are still OK ! ... buying cheapo shingles for
a garden shed doesn't add up in the long run.

Makes no sense to have shingles with a garden shed.

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

In article ,
says...
ello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?

I?m trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine who doesn?t use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a few estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.

She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items. She doesn?t want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.

Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.

We?re talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.




The way lumber has gone up in the last year it is going to cost a lot
not counting the labor.

On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 9:12:53 PM UTC-7, gfre...wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski e... wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.
Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg
10 x 12 does not require a permit in Santa Cruz CA.

Deguza

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:23:19 PM UTC-7, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article 9a255b68-2fe8-4a43...@,
degu... says...
ello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?

I?m trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine who doesn?t use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a few estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.

She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items. She doesn?t want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.

Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.

We?re talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.




The way lumber has gone up in the last year it is going to cost a lot
not counting the labor.

We are estimating materials to be around $700. Lumber is sold here at a deep discount (usually around 70% off) if it is "damaged". For a project like this, damaged lumber is perfectly OK,

Deguza

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 7:14:28 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

That's what I would do, but when she had another prefab one installed at a different home a few years ago, she said she had all sorts of problems. At her age she could not handle the additional calls, returns, asking for the installer to come out again, etc. She says she would rather pay extra and have no had ache.

Deguza

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On 5/23/21 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg



Nice! Built like a brick ****house.

On 5/22/2021 10:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many.Â* See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor.Â* I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs.Â* They are not interested.
Â*They cannot compete with the specialists.

Next door neighbor did the same thing with Amish built shed even though
he could have done it himself. Same for friend's hunting camp.

On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:14:28 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

That was my thought too. Just buy one that's already built. You get to see
what it looks like and if you like it as opposed to seeing how a custom one
turns out. Likely less expensive too, being massed produced. Not sure about
the kit ones, but wonder why that's not an option. Seems like going the custom
route for a simple shed is doing it the hard, expensive way to me, unless there
is some specific requirement, eg style has to match something, that you can't
get already built.

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 1:57:14 AM UTC-4, Deguza wrote:
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 7:14:28 PM UTC-7, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.
That's what I would do, but when she had another prefab one installed at a different home a few years ago, she said she had all sorts of problems. At her age she could not handle the additional calls, returns, asking for the installer to come out again, etc. She says she would rather pay extra and have no had ache.

Deguza

I hope she realizes there are no guarantees of no problems with the construction
metohd either. At least with one that is already built, you can see it, check it out,
satisfy yourself that it's what you want. When it arrives, you can do the same and
if it's not OK, you tell them. With any construction project, it's much different and
probably harder to correct, depending on when you tell them it's not right. The
contractor isn't going to want to spend another day undoing what he just did....

On 5/23/2021 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg


I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.

In article , says...

I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas. Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt. Larger needs
inspections and anchored down. Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all. Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.

On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas. Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt. Larger needs
inspections and anchored down. Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all. Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.


County laws vary widely. Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit. Who would know that is needed?

I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one. This is only required in our
county. Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

On 5/23/2021 10:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT.Â* I did need a permit but it was simple.Â* I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL.Â* I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas.Â* Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt.Â* Larger needs
inspections and anchored down.Â* Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all.Â* Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.


County laws vary widely.Â* Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit.Â* Who would know that is needed?

I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one.Â* This is only required in our
county.Â* Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

Just checking my county, permit required for shed over 200 sq ft.

Building Permits Required For:
New Homes
Additions
Porches (open or enclosed)
Decks
Patio and decorative hardscaping greater than 30 inches in height
Garages
Sheds (over 200 square feet)
Swimming Pools (above ground and in-ground)
Fireplaces (masonry or factory-built)
Altering existing spaces or rooms (including basement area)
Dormers
Structural repairs or alterations
Re-roofing that involves 25% or more replacement of sheathing
PV Solar Panels (ground-mounted)
Water-heating Solar Panels €“ requires a utility permit

On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:39:33 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 10:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT.* I did need a permit but it was simple.* I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL.* I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas.* Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt.* Larger needs
inspections and anchored down.* Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all.* Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.


County laws vary widely.* Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit.* Who would know that is needed?

I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one.* This is only required in our
county.* Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

Just checking my county, permit required for shed over 200 sq ft.



Over 108 sq. ft. in my town - and that's common here-abouts.

200 sq. ft. allows for a nice useful size eg. 12 x 16

John T.

On 5/23/2021 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:39:33 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 10:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT.Â* I did need a permit but it was simple.Â* I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL.Â* I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas.Â* Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt.Â* Larger needs
inspections and anchored down.Â* Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all.Â* Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.


County laws vary widely.Â* Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit.Â* Who would know that is needed?

I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one.Â* This is only required in our
county.Â* Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

Just checking my county, permit required for shed over 200 sq ft.



Over 108 sq. ft. in my town - and that's common here-abouts.

200 sq. ft. allows for a nice useful size eg. 12 x 16

John T.


I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

"Frank" "frank wrote in message
...
On 5/23/2021 10:21 AM, Frank wrote:
On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to
have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas. Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt. Larger needs
inspections and anchored down. Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all. Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.


County laws vary widely. Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit. Who would know that is needed?

I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one. This is only required in our
county. Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

Just checking my county, permit required for shed over 200 sq ft.

Building Permits Required For:
New Homes
Additions
Porches (open or enclosed)
Decks
Patio and decorative hardscaping greater than 30 inches in height
Garages
Sheds (over 200 square feet)
Swimming Pools (above ground and in-ground)
Fireplaces (masonry or factory-built)
Altering existing spaces or rooms (including basement area)
Dormers
Structural repairs or alterations
Re-roofing that involves 25% or more replacement of sheathing
PV Solar Panels (ground-mounted)
Water-heating Solar Panels €“ requires a utility permit

So much for the land of the free.

The land of the mindlessly nanny stated, actually.

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On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:03:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg


I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.

OK I was curious because you usually need engineering to pull a shed
permit in Florida. They have the same regulation for sheds as they do
for houses. (wind code, tie downs etc).
It actually applies to any structure, even a dog house if they want to
be pricks about it. (or your neighbor calls)
The ones you get pre fab come with the engineering sheets. The county
usually has engineered plans on their web site too. Lee County has one
type for block and one for stick built in a few sizes.

https://www.leegov.com/dcd/BldPermit...sProcd/shedreq

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.
Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg
Nice shed gfretwell. A wider door would be nice. Nice shed. How long timewise? That to me is a full summer.

On 5/23/2021 11:36 AM, Frank wrote:


Just checking my county, permit required for shed over 200 sq ft.



OverÂ* 108 sq. ft. in my townÂ* -Â* and that's common here-abouts.

200 sq. ft.Â* allows for a nice useful sizeÂ* eg.Â* 12 x 16

Â*Â* John T.


I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum.Â* Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time.Â* With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations.Â* Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

The French will be ****ed if they find out what you did to their drain.

I had a couple little things in my house the inspector never mentioned.
One was an electric line on the bottom of joists instead of through
drilled holes.

On 05/22/2021 11:57 PM, Deguza wrote:
That's what I would do, but when she had another prefab one installed at a different home a few years ago, she said she had all sorts of problems. At her age she could not handle the additional calls, returns, asking for the installer to come out again, etc. She says she would rather pay extra and have no had ache.

She'd better have Handyman Joe on speed dial too. I'm not saying there
aren't local people capable of building a shed out of sticks but I've
seen some real abortions too.

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 10:21:41 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 5/23/2021 10:14 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article , says...

I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.



The permits vary from state to state and even town to town in some
areas. Where I am at in NC out in the country you need a permit for a
building that is over 10 feet by 12 or could be 15 feet, forgot which.
Anything smaller they just drop it off if prebuilt. Larger needs
inspections and anchored down. Friend in another county had to pay over
200 for a permit for a prebuilt 12 x 24 buiding.

I just put in a carport type metal garage that was 24 by 26 feet and
cement pad and all. Cost for the permit in my county was 65 dollars and
the inspector had to come out several times for various stages such as
the footing, final pad pouring, building its self.

County laws vary widely. Our swim club got stung when they widened the
pool by two lanes without a permit. Who would know that is needed?

The company that did the work? I would expect you'd need one for that
many places today, like here in NJ.




I had a problem when I got a new deck requiring permits to demolish the
old deck and one to build a new one. This is only required in our
county. Then the g d tax assessor added to my property tax even though
the same size deck.

On 5/23/2021 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:03:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg


I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.

OK I was curious because you usually need engineering to pull a shed
permit in Florida. They have the same regulation for sheds as they do
for houses. (wind code, tie downs etc).
It actually applies to any structure, even a dog house if they want to
be pricks about it. (or your neighbor calls)
The ones you get pre fab come with the engineering sheets. The county
usually has engineered plans on their web site too. Lee County has one
type for block and one for stick built in a few sizes.

https://www.leegov.com/dcd/BldPermit...sProcd/shedreq

Makes sense here. I can see them becoming airborne in a storm.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:59:01 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Labour :

1. Digging out and prepping/laying a decent base ?
.. a very important step which could involve a lot of man-hours !
.. think about it - rocks, tree roots, etc
1 - 2 days hard labour

Nothing like that for a competent person.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

- maybe not for a carpenter

2. carpentry hours ? rough guess 2 days.

Nothing like that for a competent person.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

Not labour :

2. Building permit ? in my area 10 x 12 requires it .

3. Flooring ? pressure treated 5/4 is my preferred.
cheaper choices will rot out in 10 years.

Not needed with a concrete base.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

4. Metal roof ? if you say so.

5. don't forget to have some ventilation - screened against bugs.

Never bothered with any small shed like that.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

I'm happy with my circa 1998 9 x 12 salt box.

- copied from my local builder's demo's with a few
minor changes - I just walked in with my tape measure
and clipboard and drew-up a plan. Double-checked my
material list and ordered the lumber next day.

PT 4x4 base and PT 2x4 sill ; 2x4 econo-stud framed ;
board & batten siding rough pine on sale planed 1 side
5/4 PT floor - a splurge - no regrets ; asphalt shingles ;
~ $ 700. materials. ~ triple that today ?

Nothing like that for a decent shed today.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

... a labour of love ie: no cost !
Shingles are still OK ! ... buying cheapo shingles for
a garden shed doesn't add up in the long run.

Makes no sense to have shingles with a garden shed.

In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest?

--
Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin:
"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:30:10 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:


That's what I would do, but when she had another prefab one installed at a different home a few years ago, she said she had all sorts of problems. At her age she could not handle the additional calls, returns, asking for the installer to come out again, etc. She says she would rather pay extra and have no had ache.

She'd better have Handyman Joe on speed dial too. I'm not saying there
aren't local people capable of building a shed out of sticks but I've
seen some real abortions too.

No, you haven't, otherwise you'd have been telling everyone about it
already, senile blabbermouth! BG

On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well. He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.

On Sat, 22 May 2021 21:45:11 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2021 16:56:11 -0700 (PDT), Deguza
wrote:

Hello all,
How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?
I’m trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine
who doesn’t use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a few
estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.
She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items.
She doesn’t want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.
Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.
We’re talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.
Thanks!
Deguza


Labour :

1. Digging out and prepping/laying a decent base ?
.. a very important step which could involve a lot of man-hours !
.. think about it - rocks, tree roots, etc
1 - 2 days hard labour - maybe not for a carpenter

2. carpentry hours ? rough guess 2 days.


Not labour :

2. Building permit ? in my area 10 x 12 requires it .

3. Flooring ? pressure treated 5/4 is my preferred.
cheaper choices will rot out in 10 years.

4. Metal roof ? if you say so.

5. don't forget to have some ventilation - screened against bugs.

I'm happy with my circa 1998 9 x 12 salt box.

- copied from my local builder's demo's with a few
minor changes - I just walked in with my tape measure and
clipboard and drew-up a plan. Double-checked my material list
and ordered the lumber next day.

PT 4x4 base and PT 2x4 sill ; 2x4 econo-stud framed ;
board & batten siding rough pine on sale planed 1 side
5/4 PT floor - a splurge - no regrets ; asphalt shingles ;
~ $ 700. materials. ~ triple that today ?
... a labour of love ie: no cost !
Shingles are still OK ! ... buying cheapo shingles for
a garden shed doesn't add up in the long run.
John T.
+1 on the shingles - and 3/8" roof decking. I just put 5/8" on over
the 3/8 before re-shingling my 15x15 roof on 10X10 shed

On Sat, 22 May 2021 23:23:10 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...
ello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?

I?m trying to find the cost of labor for building a shed. An elderly friend of mine who doesn?t use the Internet asked me the question. She wanted to get a few estimates but nobody has bothered to come by.

She is thinking of a simple shed that she will store some household items. She doesn?t want to buy a pre-fabricated shed kit from like of Home Depot.

Unfinished walls, sloping roof with sheet metal corrugated.

We?re talking about experienced carpenter or handyman hours here.




The way lumber has gone up in the last year it is going to cost a lot
not counting the labor.

I'd be waiting a year for the prices to drop or get a factory built
shed (either metal or resin)

On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:13:39 -0700 (PDT), Thomas
wrote:

On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:53 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.
Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg
Nice shed gfretwell. A wider door would be nice. Nice shed. How long timewise? That to me is a full summer.

End to end it was a few weeks for each part. A lot of that time was
just watching concrete cure ;-)
There are actually 2 sheds there with a block wall between them. I
built the first one and by the time I was done I was sorry I didn't
make it bigger. My wife called me and asked if I was ready for some
concrete. She had a yard or two left over. By the time the truck got
there I had the pad area leveled and the Latinos her concrete guy
brought dug out the footers. I dropped the steel in and they dumped in
the concrete. That was about 15-20 minutes.
The doors were free so I used them. They are steel fire doors so they
are pretty tough.
I put the pavers on later.

The 2 shed idea is actually handy because one I keep locked, the other
is unlocked. Both are dry tho.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 13:41:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 12:40 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 10:03:58 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/23/2021 12:11 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2021 22:14:23 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/22/2021 7:56 PM, Deguza wrote:
Hello all,

How many hours would it take to build a simple 10 x 12 shed?


Deguza


Too many. See hubpops post outlining some of the steps.

I'm fully capable of building one but instead bought a pre-fab 10 x 16
built by the Amish, sold by a local distributor. I did have to put some
stone down and level it where it was to be dropped.

The guy drops it in place, ties it down and you are set to go and at a
reasonable price.

There is a reason she did not get call backs. They are not interested.
They cannot compete with the specialists.

Did you get a permit?
In Florida you need the same engineering for a shed as you do for a
house. I am guessing your guys had a mastered plan that was approved
by the AHJ.
My shed is block, covered with pavers with dowelled cells and a poured
tie beam that has the truss straps in the concrete.
I managed to scrounge up most of the materials for free so it was only
my time. I am not a very fast mason ;-)

http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg


I bought it in CT. I did need a permit but it was simple. I just drew
a box on the plot plan and showed it was X feet from the boundary line,
paid $20.

No shed in FL. I now longer have a snow blower to store and pay to have
my lawn cut.

OK I was curious because you usually need engineering to pull a shed
permit in Florida. They have the same regulation for sheds as they do
for houses. (wind code, tie downs etc).
It actually applies to any structure, even a dog house if they want to
be pricks about it. (or your neighbor calls)
The ones you get pre fab come with the engineering sheets. The county
usually has engineered plans on their web site too. Lee County has one
type for block and one for stick built in a few sizes.

https://www.leegov.com/dcd/BldPermit...sProcd/shedreq

Makes sense here. I can see them becoming airborne in a storm.

That is the issue. They don't care so much that your shed gets
destroyed, they just don't want it in your neighbor's living room.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

They are all taller than that here. I am not sure what the code is but
16-18" seems to be the norm.

On Sun, 23 May 2021 19:48:27 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 7:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 18:24:31 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 5/23/2021 3:27 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 23 May 2021 11:36:14 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

...

I did a small one years ago from Sears assembled from aluminum. Only
check at the time was required distance from property line.

These rules do change with time. With neighbors selling houses I found
that I probably have a couple minor violations. Stupid stuff like
putting AC condensate into the French Drain.

Why would AC condensate into a french drain be a problem, any more
than dumping it on the ground? It's your drain, I would guess (never
heard of a community french drain).


It is collective, bureaucratic thinking that leads to rules like this.

I had a new well dug two years ago and the current rule required the
well head to extend a foot above the ground. My old well was maybe 2
inches. The new rule was to prevent ground storm water from entering
the well. If you saw my yard you would know that is impossible but does
not matter. Rules are rules. I have it covered with a fake rock.

A friend was forced to connect to town water, then cap his well. He
couldn't even use it for irrigation.


That is weird.

I know near here when the water company put in a well and dropped the
aquifer affecting nearby homeowner wells that they had to run water
lines to them.

When a sewer line goes past your property you have to pay for it but do
not have to use it.

They are going to make us hook up when it gets here. Fortunately the
survey they did about river contamination said our neighborhood was of
minimal concern so I might not live long enough to see it coming here.
The best guess is it will be $40k-$50k by the time you pay your
plumber and pay for the installation at the street, lift stations,
force mains and such. They say some of that will be covered by "clean
water" grants and city funds tho. It might be 5 years before they
actually get the first SFR lot connected but the two trailer parks
will go faster since they already have pipe in the ground to a central
treatment plant and they are close to an existing force main. We are
at the end of a 1 mile dead end street with nothing there yet but
water, still a half mile from me.