On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

--
Tekkie

On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.

--
Why is it that the people who want more government control over your
life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?

On 5/13/2021 6:34 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickupÂ* bare bones 1980 F100
- it was pricedÂ* atÂ* $ 5800.Â*Â* I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd boughtÂ* 2 of themÂ* !Â*Â* ..Â* to get another vehicle that would
costÂ* less thanÂ* $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a usedÂ* 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worthÂ* ..Â*Â* :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps :Â* Canuck Loonie money

Â*Â* John T.


OP paid $17,191.21Â* canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later.Â* That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

Â* I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition costÂ* $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

Â* I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that..Â* The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.


I'd have sent him a photo of myself in my new Silverado

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.


I'd have sent him a photo of myself in my new Silverado


+ 1 good one !

but don't hold the salesman responsible for vehicle problems -
~ all salesmen are lyin' scumbags. It's a given.
But when the service mgr. and dealership mgmt.
screw you over ... call them out ! -
- social media can be effective.. these days.
John T.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:47:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to
digest...


On 5/13/2021 6:34 PM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup* bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced* at* $ 5800.** I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought* 2 of them* !** ..* to get another vehicle that would
cost* less than* $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used* 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth* ..** :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps :* Canuck Loonie money

** John T.


OP paid $17,191.21* canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later.* That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

* I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost* $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

* I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that..* The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.


I'd have sent him a photo of myself in my new Silverado

Yeah, that's the American way, the vehicle don't work, blame the buyer. They
all do that. Ad nauseam Now the lemon laws exist and I am very picky the first
year or 12k. I have used the lemon law successfully.

--
Tekkie

On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:34:54 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.



Hopefully Ford has learned a lesson from those terrible days ?
A buddy had a Ford pickup from that era - with the paint peeling
problem - light blue-greyish colour was ~ the only culprit -
widespread and really obvious - it took YEARS and
class-action suits for Ford to admit a problem and own-up.
.... by that time they had lost many thousands of customers -
- some for life.
John T.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:34:54 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.



Hopefully Ford has learned a lesson from those terrible days ?

No they havent. They currently have much worse engine
problems, dead engines that they are in denial about.

A buddy had a Ford pickup from that era - with the paint peeling
problem - light blue-greyish colour was ~ the only culprit -
widespread and really obvious - it took YEARS and
class-action suits for Ford to admit a problem and own-up.
... by that time they had lost many thousands of customers -
- some for life.

Hopefully Ford has learned a lesson from those terrible days ?

No they havent. They currently have much worse engine
problems, dead engines that they are in denial about.



Post some links ..
John T.

On 5/13/21 7:25 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:34:54 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.



Hopefully Ford has learned a lesson from those terrible days ?
A buddy had a Ford pickup from that era - with the paint peeling
problem - light blue-greyish colour was ~ the only culprit -
widespread and really obvious - it took YEARS and
class-action suits for Ford to admit a problem and own-up.
... by that time they had lost many thousands of customers -
- some for life.
John T.


Yeah, they lost me; that was my last Ford. Disappointing as the truck's
performance was, what really got me was their attitude and lack of
ownership of the problem.

Best resolution would have been, "Hey we're gonna' swap that problem
child out for a nice new truck for you" or maybe "We're gonna offer you
95% of your purchase price as a trade-in for a new truck."

I might have even been mollified with "We're really sorry. That model
just wasn't one of our finest. Please accept this coupon for two free
oil changes and a car wash."

On Thu, 13 May 2021 19:25:53 -0400, posted for all of us
to digest...


On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:34:54 -0400, Wade Garrett
wrote:

On 5/13/21 4:57 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.



Hopefully Ford has learned a lesson from those terrible days ?
A buddy had a Ford pickup from that era - with the paint peeling
problem - light blue-greyish colour was ~ the only culprit -
widespread and really obvious - it took YEARS and
class-action suits for Ford to admit a problem and own-up.
... by that time they had lost many thousands of customers -
- some for life.
John T.

They all had paint problems then. The latest Ford debacle is their dual clutch
trannys used in their small models. The all have loss (to the buyer) leaders
that fall apart before your very eyes and others that are manufactured for
life.

--
Tekkie

On 05/14/2021 01:02 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
They all had paint problems then. The latest Ford debacle is their dual clutch
trannys used in their small models. The all have loss (to the buyer) leaders
that fall apart before your very eyes and others that are manufactured for
life.

I bought an '80 Camaro when GM was switching over to water based paint.
It was a clue there might be a problem when they gave me a bottle of
touch up paint with the new car.

It was white and the roof acquired some striping from a trip through the
car wash. I don't know what it would have done in the long term since I
traded it in on an '82 Firebird. There was nothing wrong with it but I
really liked the hatchback compared to the previous model where you
could fit a Dopp kit and two dead mice in the trunk.

I wish they had brought back the 3rd gen hatch for the new Camaros
although leaving that LC1 V-6 in the dust was a good thing. The rear
main seal would spin and depending on the phase of the moon turn the car
into a mosquito fogger. It didn't lose enough oil to be a concern but I
got tired of people telling me my car was on fire. It was also anemic
although the optional V-8 LG4 was little better.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:34:54 -0400, Wade Garrett posted for all of us to
digest...

And it looks great too!

I fell in love with a shiny new burgundy 90's vintage top of the line
F-150 with the big V8 that was sitting on a raised pedestal in front of
a local Ford dealer's showroom.

Out on the test drive, I noticed a rough idle which the salesman assured
me was common in those engines until they broke in for a few thousand
miles. Overcome with lust as I was, I chose to believe the
silver-tongued devil, took out my checkbook and drove it home.

6,000 miles and several different Ford dealer service departments later,
it still shook sitting at a red light. By now, that feature was labeled
"normal for that engine."

Complaints to Ford HQ in Michigan brought some regional service experts
to work on it with some small improvement.

A subsequent certified complaint letter to Hank The Deuce himself
resulted in a return letter over his signature (mechanically done, no
doubt) quoting from the regional service guys' reports that implied I
was a picky crank who loved to complain.

I was so ****ed I sold the truck.


Yeah, I understand. I looked at a Chevy Blazer? (the boxy one)& the salesman
said to take it home over the weekend. I was young & dumb & it worked. Lots of
problems, like not wanting to start in the morning. What ****ed me the most was
it was 2 wheel drive and there was record snows that season. I slid backward
down a hill and managed to stay out of the ditch and not hit anything like the
car behind me. I got an Exploder Sport with zero problems that I loved. I had
to trade it because my wife couldn't get in. ;(

I used the lemon law about 2 years ago to get rid of a car.

I've learned not to fall in love with mechanical things because they will
always break your heart.

--
Tekkie

In article , says...

I used the lemon law about 2 years ago to get rid of a car.

I've learned not to fall in love with mechanical things because they will
always break your heart.




I had a Dodge Swinger 340 new in 1969 and loved that little car.
Someone ran a stop sign and I total lost it. Bought a Dodge Demon with
the same motor. That was when you could order a car with the options
you wanted. Drove it home from a dealer about 20 miles away. I raised
the hood at home to see if it was a V8 or a 6 cylinder as it was suppose
to be an 8 but performed like a 6. That thing would not start about
half the time or would just barley start. Traded it off with less than
20,000 miles on it. Worse car I ever owned.
I believe Clare said it was probably the ballast resistor was bad as to
the reason it would not start. The local mechanics never did find the
problem.


Next worse was a 1974 Ventura that I traded the Demon for. The AC was
always running out of refrigerant and the timing gear would go out every
35 to 40 thousand miles. Piece of fiber gear junk.

Started buying the Japan cars and only spent money on the normal
maintenance.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 15:32:18 -0400, Ralph Mowery posted for all of us to
digest...


In article , says...

I used the lemon law about 2 years ago to get rid of a car.

I've learned not to fall in love with mechanical things because they will
always break your heart.




I had a Dodge Swinger 340 new in 1969 and loved that little car.
Someone ran a stop sign and I total lost it. Bought a Dodge Demon with
the same motor. That was when you could order a car with the options
you wanted. Drove it home from a dealer about 20 miles away. I raised
the hood at home to see if it was a V8 or a 6 cylinder as it was suppose
to be an 8 but performed like a 6. That thing would not start about
half the time or would just barley start. Traded it off with less than
20,000 miles on it. Worse car I ever owned.
I believe Clare said it was probably the ballast resistor was bad as to
the reason it would not start. The local mechanics never did find the
problem.


Next worse was a 1974 Ventura that I traded the Demon for. The AC was
always running out of refrigerant and the timing gear would go out every
35 to 40 thousand miles. Piece of fiber gear junk.

Started buying the Japan cars and only spent money on the normal
maintenance.

No lemon law then

--
Tekkie

On Thu, 13 May 2021 16:57:52 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Wed, 12 May 2021 21:51:33 -0400, Clare Snyder posted for all of us to
digest...


On Wed, 12 May 2021 20:03:15 -0400, wrote:


When I bought my first brand new pickup bare bones 1980 F100
- it was priced at $ 5800. I drove it for 13 years and wished
that I'd bought 2 of them ! .. to get another vehicle that would
cost less than $ 1000 per year ...

Here's a used 2020 Chevy that I would need to drive for
about 40 years to get my money's worth .. :-)

https://tinyurl.com/hre8974e

ps : Canuck Loonie money

John T.


OP paid $17,191.21 canadian plus $2800 for cap and liner on May 27
1996 including tax for my Ranger - and less than $3000 in service and
repairs over 307000KM before selling it to me with a bad clutch
release cyl for $1500 16 years and 2 months later. That's about
$23000 less $1500 = $21,500 for 16 years - a bout $1437 per year.

I bought it for $1500 and spent $900 on a new clutch and
installation. - total aquiaition cost $2400. I spent about $950 in
repairs and service plus $2000 in tires and wheels over the first 7
years and 60000 km I owned it, then sunk another $3000-ish into it
last summer putting on a new box, painting the box and cap, and adding
things like heated seats, touch screen stereo, backup and side view
cameras etc.
So 9 years and 67000 km for $8350 if I had to throw it away tomorrow -
About $925 a year - and it's still worth about 3 times what I first
paid for it - - -

I spent the 3 grand on it BECAUSE I couldn't replace it for less than
5 or 6 times that.. The old girl doesn't owe me a cent !!!

And it looks great too!
Yup!! gotta get the "summer boots" out of storage and installed. I've
always had a soft spot for Torque Thrusts.