If you're not vaccinated, you're in more trouble than ever.

And if you're only 94% safe from infection, you are too. 100-94% leaves
a 6% chance you can still get Corona**.

As protective standards are lessened, for example, no body temperature
test to enter Disneyland and other places, less or no requirement of
masks, you can be sure that there will be sick people going places they
used to not be allowed to go, and going without masks, even though they
are sick. Any of these people can make you sick, and there is less and
less to prevent them from infecting you.

If not vaccinated the chance the chance of needing hospitalization
remains about 10%, of dying remains about 2%, and the chance of Long
Covid stays the same as before others got vaccinated.

This risk from infected people mingling with the rest of us is even more
true than that there are those who drive drunk. People have a chance of
knowing when they're drunk, and a chance of realizing they're not able
to drive well, but many people with Corona have little or no idea they
have it.



Why the world’s most vaccinated country is seeing an unprecedented spike
in coronavirus cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...s-covid-cases/
Francis emphasized that even people who have been vaccinated can get
infected. “Vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and
death; they are less good at preventing infection,” Francis said.



**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

micky wrote

If you're not vaccinated, you're in more trouble than ever.

Nope. Because herd immunity makes it
much less likely that you will get infected.

And if you're only 94% safe from infection, you are too.

Nope. Because all the main vaccines radically reduce
the severity of the disease if you do get infected and
prevent it from killing you.

100-94% leaves a 6% chance you can still get Corona**.

See above.

As protective standards are lessened, for example, no body
temperature test to enter Disneyland and other places, less
or no requirement of masks, you can be sure that there will
be sick people going places they used to not be allowed to
go, and going without masks, even though they are sick.
Any of these people can make you sick, and there is less
and less to prevent them from infecting you.

Even that isnt accurate because when most are vaccinated
there will be far fewer infected people around.

If not vaccinated the chance the chance of needing hospitalization
remains about 10%, of dying remains about 2%, and the chance of
Long Covid stays the same as before others got vaccinated.

Yes, but its less clear what happens if you get infected and
are then vaccinated to deal with the infection. That's still
being tested.

This risk from infected people mingling with the rest of us is
even more true than that there are those who drive drunk.

That's very arguable with most vaccinated.

People have a chance of knowing when they're drunk,
and a chance of realizing they're not able to drive well,

In fact most drunks believe they can drive well enough
when they cant.

but many people with Corona have little or no idea they have it.

Yes, but that's much less likely once most are vaccinated.

Why the world's most vaccinated country is seeing
an unprecedented spike in coronavirus cases
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...s-covid-cases/

60% vaccinated isnt a very high percentage.
And they are using quite poor vaccines too.

Francis emphasized that even people who
have been vaccinated can get infected.

Yes, there will always be some who don't get a good
immune response from any vaccine. But it's a tiny subset
of those vaccinated with the most effective vaccines.

"Vaccines are very effective at preventing serious illness and
death; they are less good at preventing infection," Francis said.

That's wrong too with the best vaccines.

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no
chance of dying even if you're in the 6%,

Yes with the best vaccines.

and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that,
except I just read the paragraph above.

In fact the phase 3 trials show that you get much less
sick with the best vaccines like the Pfizer and Moderna.

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On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

wrote
micky wrote

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying
even if you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick,
but I don't know how much. I haven't seen details about that,
except I just read the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

Never, because there is no hysteria, just a recognition
that its a very serious and very infectious disease and
that its very undesirable that it killed 600K in your
country alone before you lot had enough of a clue
to do what is necessary to bring it under control
instead of mindlessly rabbiting on about habeas
corpus and the constitution.

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over

Try telling that to the 600K its killed in your country alone,
let alone those whose quality of life has been ****ed over by
long covid. You are as stupid as that ****wit orange clown.

why are we still being silly about this?

Fools like Muggles and jimmy always will be.

The vaccine is available for anyone who wants it
and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get
it they will meet him soon enough .... or not.

We still don't have any good numbers about
how many people have acquired immunity
from having a mild case and getting over it.

Because its too hard to measure and is a useless number as
far as what we should be doing about the virus anyway. And
its much too early to tell yet how long that immunity will last.

It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.

Yes.

Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

Irrelevant to what it makes sense to do now.

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On 5/8/2021 4:25 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read
the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

Never, because there is no hysteria, just a recognition that its a very
serious and very infectious disease and that its very undesirable that
it killed 600K in your country alone before you lot had enough of a clue
to do what is necessary to bring it under control
instead of mindlessly rabbiting on about habeas
corpus and the constitution.
If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over

Try telling that to the 600K its killed in your country alone,
let alone those whose quality of life has been ****ed over by long
covid. You are as stupid as that ****wit orange clown.
why are we still being silly about this?

Fools like Muggles and jimmy always will be.
The vaccine is available for anyone who wants it and if they are
waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it they will meet him soon
enough ....Â* or not.

We still don't have any good numbers about how many people have
acquired immunity from having a mild case and getting over it.

Because its too hard to measure and is a useless number as far as what
we should be doing about the virus anyway. And its much too early to
tell yet how long that immunity will last.
It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.

Yes.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

Irrelevant to what it makes sense to do now.

And yet, there's still a 94.6 to 99.997 survival rate depending on age
group. That 94.6 is 70 and up, the rest are 99 percentile range.

It exists, but it's over hyped hysteria. You denying that doesn't change it.

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-4, Hawk wrote:
On 5/8/2021 4:25 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read
the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

Never, because there is no hysteria, just a recognition that its a very
serious and very infectious disease and that its very undesirable that
it killed 600K in your country alone before you lot had enough of a clue
to do what is necessary to bring it under control
instead of mindlessly rabbiting on about habeas
corpus and the constitution.
If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over

Try telling that to the 600K its killed in your country alone,
let alone those whose quality of life has been ****ed over by long
covid. You are as stupid as that ****wit orange clown.
why are we still being silly about this?

Fools like Muggles and jimmy always will be.
The vaccine is available for anyone who wants it and if they are
waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it they will meet him soon
enough .... or not.

We still don't have any good numbers about how many people have
acquired immunity from having a mild case and getting over it.

Because its too hard to measure and is a useless number as far as what
we should be doing about the virus anyway. And its much too early to
tell yet how long that immunity will last.
It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.

Yes.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

Irrelevant to what it makes sense to do now.

And yet, there's still a 94.6 to 99.997 survival rate depending on age
group. That 94.6 is 70 and up, the rest are 99 percentile range.

It exists, but it's over hyped hysteria. You denying that doesn't change it.

I don't see people concerned with Covid denying the survival rates. What I
see are a whole lot of mostly right wing loons denying that at least 600K Americans
are dead from Covid. The same loons that claim it's just the flu. The same
loons that believe the stolen election lie. Now that's some mighty fine hysteria.

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-4, Hawk wrote:
On 5/8/2021 4:25 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read
the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

Never, because there is no hysteria, just a recognition that its a very
serious and very infectious disease and that its very undesirable that
it killed 600K in your country alone before you lot had enough of a clue
to do what is necessary to bring it under control
instead of mindlessly rabbiting on about habeas
corpus and the constitution.
If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over

Try telling that to the 600K its killed in your country alone,
let alone those whose quality of life has been ****ed over by long
covid. You are as stupid as that ****wit orange clown.
why are we still being silly about this?

Fools like Muggles and jimmy always will be.
The vaccine is available for anyone who wants it and if they are
waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it they will meet him soon
enough .... or not.

We still don't have any good numbers about how many people have
acquired immunity from having a mild case and getting over it.

Because its too hard to measure and is a useless number as far as what
we should be doing about the virus anyway. And its much too early to
tell yet how long that immunity will last.
It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.

Yes.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

Irrelevant to what it makes sense to do now.

And yet, there's still a 94.6 to 99.997 survival rate depending on age
group. That 94.6 is 70 and up, the rest are 99 percentile range.

It exists, but it's over hyped hysteria. You denying that doesn't change it.

The real denial is from the Covid deniers like you. Your math is like saying
the US has 600K dead from Covid, which is 10x a really bad flu season,
but we have 320 mil people so it's just all hyped hysteria. Hyped hysteria
not just in the USA, but around the world.

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digest...


On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 2:21:29 PM UTC-4, Hawk wrote:
On 5/8/2021 4:25 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
micky wrote

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read
the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

Never, because there is no hysteria, just a recognition that its a very
serious and very infectious disease and that its very undesirable that
it killed 600K in your country alone before you lot had enough of a clue
to do what is necessary to bring it under control
instead of mindlessly rabbiting on about habeas
corpus and the constitution.
If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over

Try telling that to the 600K its killed in your country alone,
let alone those whose quality of life has been ****ed over by long
covid. You are as stupid as that ****wit orange clown.
why are we still being silly about this?

Fools like Muggles and jimmy always will be.
The vaccine is available for anyone who wants it and if they are
waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it they will meet him soon
enough .... or not.

We still don't have any good numbers about how many people have
acquired immunity from having a mild case and getting over it.

Because its too hard to measure and is a useless number as far as what
we should be doing about the virus anyway. And its much too early to
tell yet how long that immunity will last.
It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.

Yes.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

Irrelevant to what it makes sense to do now.

And yet, there's still a 94.6 to 99.997 survival rate depending on age
group. That 94.6 is 70 and up, the rest are 99 percentile range.

It exists, but it's over hyped hysteria. You denying that doesn't change it.

The real denial is from the Covid deniers like you. Your math is like saying
the US has 600K dead from Covid, which is 10x a really bad flu season,
but we have 320 mil people so it's just all hyped hysteria. Hyped hysteria
not just in the USA, but around the world.

Generated in a Chinese lab paid for US taxpayers With Dr. Fauci's approval.

If you believe anything the government says you are mislead.

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On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

On 2021-05-08, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

India is a 3rd-world country with many people living in unsanitary and crowded
conditions. It is reasonable to conclude that is a contributing factor.

It appears that you are holding yourself out as a doctor and giving out medical
advice. The virus manufacturers are shielded from lawsuits in the U.S. if their
products cause harm. Are you stepping up to the plate and accepting financial
responsibility if your medical advice to take these experimental vaccines
turns out to be harmful?

Note that in the U.S., businesses that require employees to be vaccinated
are responsible for any damages that result due to adverse reactions:

https://www.natlawreview.com/article...cine-reactions

Deciding whether to be a lab rat for medical experimentation is an individual
decision. I intend to remain in the control group for quite some time.

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On 5/8/2021 8:34 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-05-08, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

India is a 3rd-world country with many people living in unsanitary and crowded
conditions. It is reasonable to conclude that is a contributing factor.

It appears that you are holding yourself out as a doctor and giving out medical
advice.

When you make stupid statements you lose. Taking precautions is not
medical advice it is common sense. Washing your hands is at the same
level as looking before crossing the street.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 8 May 2021 23:06:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 5/8/2021 8:34 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-05-08, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

India is a 3rd-world country with many people living in unsanitary and crowded
conditions. It is reasonable to conclude that is a contributing factor.

It's a reasonable guess but it's a guess. I think you've read nonthing
about the actual facts of India, or you'd be able to do more than guess.
Things were going well there until they had some religious event at the
Ganges river that drew millions.

Much like the death rallies that trump held.

It appears that you are holding yourself out as a doctor and giving out medical
advice.

And what did you just do? If he's holding himself out than so are you,
and he at least used facts instead of guessing.

When you make stupid statements you lose. Taking precautions is not
medical advice it is common sense. Washing your hands is at the same
level as looking before crossing the street.

When Roger was growing up, "Wash your hands" was the most medical advice
he got.

On 2021-05-09, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
When you make stupid statements you lose. Taking precautions is not
medical advice it is common sense. Washing your hands is at the same
level as looking before crossing the street.

You did not answer the questions. Holding yourself out as a doctor and
recommending that I take specific medication or medications for which
the manufacturer has no financial liability is not the same thing
at all as advice to "wash your hands" or "look before crossing the
street" except perhaps to a closed-minded propagandist or the addled
mind of a blithering idiot.

So I repeat the questions. Please answer. Any more evasive bull****
marks you as an unthinking propagandist, to be kind.

Are you holding yourself out as a doctor and giving me medical advice
to take an experimental vaccine which does not have FDA approval, has
not had long-term testing, and for which the manufacturer cannot
be held liable if it damages me? Having given me this medical advice,
will YOU agree to be held financially liable if I do as you say and
it causes me harm?

Only simple "yes" or "no" answers are required.

(BTW, my own doctor, a licensed and experienced medical professional,
has advised me not to take any of the available vaccines at this time.
Do you believe your medical qualifications and experience should take
precedence over his? Once again, a simple "yes" or "no" answer is
all that is required.)

Of course these will probably turn out to be rhetorical questions as
it is quite obvious that you are incapable of honest answers, only
of knee-jerk duckspeak.

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On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-05-08, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.
India is a 3rd-world country with many people living in unsanitary and crowded
conditions. It is reasonable to conclude that is a contributing factor.

And the US, which is not, has at least 600K dead from Covid, the excess mortality
is about 50% higher than that.



It appears that you are holding yourself out as a doctor and giving out medical
advice.

Nonsense. Ed is just applying common sense and using all the good information
that is available to those that will look.


The virus manufacturers are shielded from lawsuits in the U.S. if their
products cause harm. Are you stepping up to the plate and accepting financial
responsibility if your medical advice to take these experimental vaccines
turns out to be harmful?

It's not as if this is a vaccine for a minor disease that is of little consequence.
We have 600K DEAD, many times that hospitalized costing us all $$$$, all the
lost productivity, the impact to the economy. Any risk from the vaccines pales
in comparison to that. I could ask why you're a coward, refusing to take a very
tiny risk from the vaccine which just helps the disease continue to spread, to
mutate, to make people sick and take more lives. This is the biggest challenge
we've had since WWII and sadly a lot of people are choosing fear, ignorance and
putting themselves above others instead of uniting to beat this disease. Was
this the response to other diseases? Polio? Sadly we are here because some
loons have decided to turn this into another nasty, stupid political **** show.
I'm so glad I withdrew my registration as a Republican two years ago, I was gone
before two impeachments, the insurrection, turning Georgia from red to blue
and now anti-vax lunacy.





Note that in the U.S., businesses that require employees to be vaccinated
are responsible for any damages that result due to adverse reactions:

https://www.natlawreview.com/article...cine-reactions

Deciding whether to be a lab rat for medical experimentation is an individual
decision. I intend to remain in the control group for quite some time.

Go ahead, hide under your bed, instead of doing your part to beat Covid and
save lives, possibly your own.

On Sunday, May 9, 2021 at 12:35:38 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 8:34:54 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-05-08, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.
India is a 3rd-world country with many people living in unsanitary and crowded
conditions. It is reasonable to conclude that is a contributing factor.
And the US, which is not, has at least 600K dead from Covid, the excess mortality
is about 50% higher than that.

It appears that you are holding yourself out as a doctor and giving out medical
advice.
Nonsense. Ed is just applying common sense and using all the good information
that is available to those that will look.
The virus manufacturers are shielded from lawsuits in the U.S. if their
products cause harm. Are you stepping up to the plate and accepting financial
responsibility if your medical advice to take these experimental vaccines
turns out to be harmful?
It's not as if this is a vaccine for a minor disease that is of little consequence.
We have 600K DEAD, many times that hospitalized costing us all $$$$, all the
lost productivity, the impact to the economy. Any risk from the vaccines pales
in comparison to that. I could ask why you're a coward, refusing to take a very
tiny risk from the vaccine which just helps the disease continue to spread, to
mutate, to make people sick and take more lives. This is the biggest challenge
we've had since WWII and sadly a lot of people are choosing fear, ignorance and
putting themselves above others instead of uniting to beat this disease. Was
this the response to other diseases? Polio? Sadly we are here because some
loons have decided to turn this into another nasty, stupid political **** show.
I'm so glad I withdrew my registration as a Republican two years ago, I was gone
before two impeachments, the insurrection, turning Georgia from red to blue
and now anti-vax lunacy.

Note that in the U.S., businesses that require employees to be vaccinated
are responsible for any damages that result due to adverse reactions:

https://www.natlawreview.com/article...cine-reactions

Deciding whether to be a lab rat for medical experimentation is an individual
decision. I intend to remain in the control group for quite some time.
Go ahead, hide under your bed, instead of doing your part to beat Covid and
save lives, possibly your own.
Good post trader.

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?

wrote
Ed Pawlowski wrote
wrote
micky wrote

Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying
even if you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick,
but I don't know how much. I haven't seen details about that,
except I just read the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to
take some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to
be on the right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

Nope, because this virus mostly kills those past reproducing.

The vaccine is out there, they keep saying it works, at
a certain point it is like wearing a motorcycle helmet.

More mindless bull****, as always from you.

If these people are willing to duck the protection available,

That isnt what is happening in India, stupid.

they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria

There is no hysteria, even in the USA, just sensible
precautions. Something fools like you are too stupid
to use. And yes, if that kills you, stiff **** for you.

is not reflected in the results. Florida is
wide open with a very old population

Plenty of whom take sensible precautions to avoid
getting infected, even if you are too stupid to do that.

and a very high amount of interstate visitors.
We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.

Because the lockdowns are stupid and not enforced
and no state has actually had enough of a clue to do
the sort of local lockdown that worked very well indeed
in the second wave in Melbourne Australia and which
produced a vastly better result than any place in the
USA of similar size.

It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all
of this shakes out and we can get an unbiased study
about what worked and what was just virtue signaling.

We already have that with New Zealand,
Melbourne, Taiwan, Vietnam etc etc etc.

The only thing we know that worked was if you lived
on an island with a very compliant population and
strict immigration policies you could keep it out.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** with
Vietnam, Melbourne and that city in Italy.

This will be the real test of the vaccines since
there was virtually zero acquired immunity
and the virus is still "novel" to them.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** from you.

India is FUD

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** from you.

and has nothing to do with our situation.

No one said it did.

What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?

On Sun, 9 May 2021 11:05:43 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

MORE of the trolling senile asshole's latest troll****

--
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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
MID:

On 5/8/2021 9:05 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote
Ed Pawlowski wrote
wrote
micky wrote

Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I
don't know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I
just read the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough ....Â* or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.

So what is happening in India is just hysteria?Â* Seems sensible to
take some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on
the right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

Nope, because this virus mostly kills those past reproducing.
The vaccine is out there, they keep saying it works, at a certain
point it is like wearing a motorcycle helmet.

More mindless bull****, as always from you.
If these people are willing to duck the protection available,

That isnt what is happening in India, stupid.
they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria

There is no hysteria, even in the USA, just sensible precautions.
Something fools like you are too stupid to use. And yes, if that kills
you, stiff **** for you.
is not reflected in the results. Florida is wide open with a very old
population

Plenty of whom take sensible precautions to avoid
getting infected, even if you are too stupid to do that.
and a very high amount of interstate visitors. We are not doing any
worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.

Because the lockdowns are stupid and not enforced
and no state has actually had enough of a clue to do
the sort of local lockdown that worked very well indeed
in the second wave in Melbourne Australia and which
produced a vastly better result than any place in the
USA of similar size.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.

We already have that with New Zealand, Melbourne, Taiwan, Vietnam etc
etc etc.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** with Vietnam, Melbourne and that
city in Italy.
This will be the real test of the vaccines since there was virtually
zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to them.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** from you.
India is FUD

More utterly mindless pig ignorant **** from you.
and has nothing to do with our situation.

No one said it did.
What is the vaccination rate in India? What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate? Quality of medical care?

I'm willing to bet you scream your own name when jacking off.

On 5/8/2021 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?


The situation in India show that what we did works. Florida has opened
up but they also took precautions and vaccinated a lot of people to get
a jump on it. As a country, we are far better off than India with
availability.

If you want Darin to take over why not stop all childhood vaccinations
and see of Polio, smallpox and the like comes back. Measles is
increasing now that there are a lot of anti-vaxxers.

Oh, you said it is a little cold. Shame about those 600,000 that did
not use tissues.

On Sat, 8 May 2021 23:16:32 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?


The situation in India show that what we did works. Florida has opened
up but they also took precautions and vaccinated a lot of people to get
a jump on it. As a country, we are far better off than India with
availability.

If you want Darin to take over why not stop all childhood vaccinations
and see of Polio, smallpox and the like comes back. Measles is
increasing now that there are a lot of anti-vaxxers.


How did you make the leap from me saying people who are not willing to
take the shot are on their own to making me an anti vaxxer?
It seems like reading is not your long suit.

Oh, you said it is a little cold. Shame about those 600,000 that did
not use tissues.

The world is a cold place and I am still not convinced a lot of what
we did had any major effect at all. The places with the strongest
mandates seemed to have the worst results.
Rod and Trader jumping in with anecdotes about islands and autocratic
countries that were capable of shutting down their borders and
restrict in country travel as an example is disingenuous too.
The US does not restrict movement between states and we have never
been able to. Even when we tried last spring, people said "**** you,
I'm going". There wasn't really anything the government could do about
it. The government was also not able to affect any real quarantines,
not even in those socialist states with oppressive governments.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying
even if you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less
sick, but I don't know how much. I haven't seen details about
that, except I just read the paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over
why are we still being silly about this? The vaccine is
available for anyone who wants it and if they are waiting for
Jesus to tell them to get it they will meet him soon enough
.... or not. We still don't have any good numbers about how
many people have acquired immunity from having a mild case and
getting over it. It is very likely they never got tested so
they are not in the stats. Fauci predicted that might be 80%
of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible
to take some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems
to be on the right path but could stall if people refuse
vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out
there, they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like
wearing a motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck
the protection available, they deserve what they get.

The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and
what was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island
with a very compliant population and strict immigration policies
you could keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines
since there was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is
still "novel" to them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?


The situation in India show that what we did works. Florida has
opened up but they also took precautions and vaccinated a lot of
people to get a jump on it. As a country, we are far better off than
India with availability.

If you want Darin to take over why not stop all childhood
vaccinations and see of Polio, smallpox and the like comes back.
Measles is increasing now that there are a lot of anti-vaxxers.

Oh, you said it is a little cold. Shame about those 600,000 that did
not use tissues.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

The situation in India show that what we did works. Florida has
opened up but they also took precautions and vaccinated a lot of
people to get a jump on it.

The situation in Florida is not exactly rosey though. Like the rest of
us, they are at a nominal 50%. What they do have is a climate that
allowed a lot of outdoor dining and other things so didn't get as bad
of a surge as NY city etc.

We get anti-vax idiots all the time in 'NextDoor' here in Virginia
Beach. Invariably young and full of themselves as if they know some
'secret' us older folks are too dumb to figure out. Virginia Beach hs
been lucky. Overall, we didn't take nearly the hits many other places
did.

Our Governor is pretty straight forward on it. He's an actual MD if
you didn't know.

He's not draconian. He kept bits open as much as possible. He opened
outside dining right away. Technically it never closed but in winter
it was too hard on people. Pickup and delivery was encouraged and most
businesses weathered it. Grocery stores setup free deliveries (or
reduced price to almost nothing). Everyone seemed to have free curb
pickup.

General prevailing opinion here is if you don't want to wear a mask,
don't go inside. They still have free curb pickup.

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.
At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

But they also affect the rest of us who are vaccinated, by delaying how
long it takes to get back to normal, by continuing to provide hosts for
Covid to mutate, possibly into far worse variants.




The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.

Yeah, good luck with that. Right now the loons in AZ have hired some unqualified
"experts" to look for election fraud. Among the things they are examining is checking
the paper of the ballots for bamboo, to see if they came from China. That's the
kind of thinking that's on the Republican side and that's where most of the anti-vaxers are.


The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out.

The lie still being repeated, despite it being pointed out to you how many
times that this is not 1850. The primary means of moving in and out of
countries, including islands, is the same and it doesn't involve ships.





This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

More nonsense. We have excellent data that shows the vaccines are
highly effective.



India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.

You should know FUD.

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 9 May 2021 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:



The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out.

So you're going to ban tourism too. I don't think the money-grubbing
DeSantis will go along with that. Probably not you either.

The rate of Corona in the Seychelles, an island country with the highest
vaccination rate in the world is higher than India's. Put that in your
pipe and smoke it.


The lie still being repeated, despite it being pointed out to you how many
times that this is not 1850. The primary means of moving in and out of
countries, including islands, is the same and it doesn't involve ships.





This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

More nonsense. We have excellent data that shows the vaccines are
highly effective.

On Sun, 9 May 2021 09:42:43 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, May 8, 2021 at 8:38:33 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.
At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

But they also affect the rest of us who are vaccinated, by delaying how
long it takes to get back to normal, by continuing to provide hosts for
Covid to mutate, possibly into far worse variants.

Breakthrough infections in the vaccinated are far more dangerous than
the ones in the unvaccinated because they are cultivating a variant
that is immune to the vaccine so you really don't want to go there.



The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.

Yeah, good luck with that. Right now the loons in AZ have hired some unqualified
"experts" to look for election fraud. Among the things they are examining is checking
the paper of the ballots for bamboo, to see if they came from China. That's the
kind of thinking that's on the Republican side and that's where most of the anti-vaxers are.

Squirrel! !

More TDS off topic bull**** having nothing to do with what we are
talking about but I guess you can't help yourself.



The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out.

The lie still being repeated, despite it being pointed out to you how many
times that this is not 1850. The primary means of moving in and out of
countries, including islands, is the same and it doesn't involve ships.

They still only have a few ports of entry in those island nations and
they locked them down. Do you deny that?
I am not even going to talk about the communist dictatorships and
autocratic places like Korea, or Singapore.
This is the US. We have the right to free travel and very porous
borders. We couldn't even lock down returning passengers from infected
cruise ships last spring and your answer was "they just want to go
home".


This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

More nonsense. We have excellent data that shows the vaccines are
highly effective.

Then why do I still need a mask at Walmart? I have been vaccinated.



India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.

You should know FUD.

Certainly, I talk with you.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

So everyone in your family has been fully vaccinated?

All your friends?

And if not, and someone dies it's his fault? That's how you regard your
family and friends?

And you missed the entire point of my OP. Unvaccinated people endanger
the rest of us.


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida

Oh, yes, you scientific sage. There will be no more outbreaks because
50% of Florida is vaccinated!

Do you understand the meaning of 94% effective? How 94 differs from
100? What per CENT means?

DeSantis said some stupid stuff that made clear that he doesn't and I
think you don't either. You should retake 4th grade arithmetic.
(There may be some special program that will let you attend with 10-year
olds.)

I'm too disgusted to read the rest of your stuff.


is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?

On Sun, 09 May 2021 13:05:37 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

So everyone in your family has been fully vaccinated?

Yes

All your friends?

Yes

And if not, and someone dies it's his fault?

Yes, if they chose not to avail themselves of the vaccine. It is just
walk in and get your shot here. There is no excuse not to, assuming
it is as safe as you folks say.

That's how you regard your
family and friends?

Not relevant is it?



And you missed the entire point of my OP. Unvaccinated people endanger
the rest of us.

OK then you shouldn't care so much if they get sick and die then
should you. You think they are a menace.


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida

Oh, yes, you scientific sage. There will be no more outbreaks because
50% of Florida is vaccinated!

I doubt we will ever get anywhere close to 100% or even 80% but you
think they are all going to get sick and die so it is a self limiting
problem.
OTOH we still do not have a clue how many people have acquired
immunity from a mild case that cured "spontaneously" as Fauci
describes it and he said that might be 80% of the people who got
infected.



Do you understand the meaning of 94% effective? How 94 differs from
100? What per CENT means?

I also know that is just a conservative guess and the real number is
now being hyped as higher (more effective). You folks really need to
make up your mind. Is the vaccine the silver bullet or is it just a
placebo?
You seem to change your opinion depending on the conversation.

"micky" wrote in message
...
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read
the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

So everyone in your family has been fully vaccinated?

All your friends?

And if not, and someone dies it's his fault? That's how you regard your
family and friends?

And you missed the entire point of my OP.
Unvaccinated people endanger the rest of us.

Not really, they just delay the time when things will be back to normal.

The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida

Oh, yes, you scientific sage. There will be no more outbreaks because
50% of Florida is vaccinated!

Do you understand the meaning of 94% effective? How 94 differs from
100? What per CENT means?

DeSantis said some stupid stuff that made clear that he doesn't and I
think you don't either. You should retake 4th grade arithmetic.
(There may be some special program that will let you attend with 10-year
olds.)

I'm too disgusted to read the rest of your stuff.


is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?

On 5/9/2021 10:05 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

So everyone in your family has been fully vaccinated?

All your friends?

And if not, and someone dies it's his fault? That's how you regard your
family and friends?

And you missed the entire point of my OP. Unvaccinated people endanger
the rest of us.


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida

Oh, yes, you scientific sage. There will be no more outbreaks because
50% of Florida is vaccinated!

Do you understand the meaning of 94% effective? How 94 differs from
100? What per CENT means?

DeSantis said some stupid stuff that made clear that he doesn't and I
think you don't either. You should retake 4th grade arithmetic.
(There may be some special program that will let you attend with 10-year
olds.)

I'm too disgusted to read the rest of your stuff.


is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?


Is is all part of the Repub campaign to keep covid going in the USA so
the Democrats will not continue to thrash Repubs in coming elections.

The anti-vaxers will be the reason covid continues for years to come.

On Sun, 09 May 2021 13:05:37 -0400, micky posted for all of us to digest...


In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide. The vaccine is out there,
they keep saying it works, at a certain point it is like wearing a
motorcycle helmet. If these people are willing to duck the protection
available, they deserve what they get.

So everyone in your family has been fully vaccinated?

All your friends?

And if not, and someone dies it's his fault? That's how you regard your
family and friends?

And you missed the entire point of my OP. Unvaccinated people endanger
the rest of us.


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida

Oh, yes, you scientific sage. There will be no more outbreaks because
50% of Florida is vaccinated!

Do you understand the meaning of 94% effective? How 94 differs from
100? What per CENT means?

DeSantis said some stupid stuff that made clear that he doesn't and I
think you don't either. You should retake 4th grade arithmetic.
(There may be some special program that will let you attend with 10-year
olds.)

I'm too disgusted to read the rest of your stuff.


is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.
It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

India is FUD and has nothing to do with our situation.
What is the vaccination rate in India?
What are the living conditions?
Poverty rate?
Quality of medical care?

Well, what do you say about the regular flu vax? How about the pneumonia vax?
That's some leading killers there! Why don't you have them?

The PA gov wants a 70% vax rate before he lifts all bans. Where did that come
from? You can't get that rate on the vax's named above.

The posters here are hilarious; whatever suits their mind at a particular time
is posted-even if the exact opposite was posted 20 minutes ago. Round and round
you go, same old same old. Like monkeys throwing **** at each other than
licking their hands for the peanuts. You bozos better get a real-life away from
this. You probably have to have a night-light on so the bogeyman doesn't get
you! You haven't done **** for society with all your bellyaching here. I risked
my life for nimrods like you but that's okay because I was helping people on
their worst days. Do you think people get up in the morning saying: I'll infect
somebody today, I'll get infected today, I'll die today, I'll get in a crash
and permanently change the life of a young child, I'll forget to turn off an
appliance and burn the house down? No wonder the climate is changing with all
this yapping and no doing; the hot air. Save the environment just air fry your
tacos in front of your mouth.

There are a few that this post doesn't apply to, but, the rest of you take a
look in the mirror and say to yourself; how do I make this country better?
Ranting just doesn't cut it!

Over & out

--
Tekkie

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.

You sure are doing worse. Florida is the number 1 state in new cases,
3977. YOu'er number 1!! Whoopee.

You're 3rd of 50 in total number of cases. Yes, you're rate is 19th
highest, which is pretty good, but 5 of the other 18 states has ZERO nwe
cases in the most recent day. Two othes had under 100. The future looks
good for them but bad for you.

DeSantis is one of the reasons, and it looks like he learned happy-talk
from trump.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...S&ceid=US%3Aen
You can sort on the Statistics columns by clicking at the top.


It will be interesting to see what gets reported after all of this
shakes out and we can get an unbiased study about what worked and what
was just virtue signaling.
The only thing we know that worked was if you lived on an island with
a very compliant population and strict immigration policies you could
keep it out. This will be the real test of the vaccines since there
was virtually zero acquired immunity and the virus is still "novel" to
them.

On Sun, 09 May 2021 13:25:10 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400,
wrote:


The reality is the hysteria is not reflected in the results. Florida
is wide open with a very old population and a very high amount of
interstate visitors. We are not doing any worse than the states that
are younger, less tourism and strict lockdown policies.

You sure are doing worse. Florida is the number 1 state in new cases,
3977. YOu'er number 1!! Whoopee.

You're 3rd of 50 in total number of cases. Yes, you're rate is 19th
highest, which is pretty good, but 5 of the other 18 states has ZERO nwe
cases in the most recent day. Two othes had under 100. The future looks
good for them but bad for you.

DeSantis is one of the reasons, and it looks like he learned happy-talk
from trump.

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?...S&ceid=US%3Aen
You can sort on the Statistics columns by clicking at the top.

OK so go sort that by cased per million. Get back to me.
When the snow melts and you northerners can go outside again, let's
see how you are doing.

On Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

There it is, the "Fretwell Let'r Rip Doctrine" that you've been pushing
since the beginning of this pandemic, over a year ago now. Have you really
learned nothing over the past year? Nothing at all?

On 5/10/21 2:10 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

There it is, the "Fretwell Let'r Rip Doctrine" that you've been pushing
since the beginning of this pandemic, over a year ago now. Have you really
learned nothing over the past year? Nothing at all?


Over 80% of the people who get the Fauci-19 virus report that it feels like a cold/flu and over 98% recover completely.
If this was Fauci's attempt at a deadly bio-weapon, the prick failed. The democrat's "cure" was worse than the disease.

The stats clearly show that the "Fretwell Let'r Rip Doctrine" works. In fact, it's looking like Governor DeSantis and Fretwell are the two
smartest guys in Florida.

On Mon, 10 May 2021 01:10:36 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

There it is, the "Fretwell Let'r Rip Doctrine" that you've been pushing
since the beginning of this pandemic, over a year ago now. Have you really
learned nothing over the past year? Nothing at all?
Some are incapable of learning anything. "don't confuse me with facts
- my mind (such as it is) is already made up"

On Mon, 10 May 2021 01:10:36 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 08 May 2021 20:37:56 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 8 May 2021 18:50:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough .... or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria? Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

At a certain point we can let Darwin decide.

There it is, the "Fretwell Let'r Rip Doctrine" that you've been pushing
since the beginning of this pandemic, over a year ago now. Have you really
learned nothing over the past year? Nothing at all?

How long do you think we should be under someone's thumb about this?
You ****ers had a year to flatten the curve. We still played the mask
game even when we saw open states doing better than closed states. Now
we have the vaccine and vaccinations are reaching the saturation
point. Anyone willing to get one has them.
What is the end game? At a certain point we have to stop thinking
there is one more thing we should do before our life can go back to
normal.
You can stay home wearing your mask and not answering the door but
most of us think, once you are vaccinated and you know anyone else who
wants to be is, it is time for Dr Darwin to take over.

On 5/8/2021 6:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/8/2021 4:12 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 08 May 2021 14:22:58 -0400, micky
wrote:

**Apparently if vaccinated, there's almost no chance of dying even if
you're in the 6%, and on average you will get less sick, but I don't
know how much. I haven't seen details about that, except I just read the
paragraph above.

When are you folks going to admit we have fallen for hysteria?

If you are just going to get a little cold that you get over why are
we still being silly about this? The vaccine is available for anyone
who wants it and if they are waiting for Jesus to tell them to get it
they will meet him soon enough ....Â* or not. We still don't have any
good numbers about how many people have acquired immunity from having
a mild case and getting over it. It is very likely they never got
tested so they are not in the stats.
Fauci predicted that might be 80% of those infected.


So what is happening in India is just hysteria?Â* Seems sensible to take
some precautions until we know what is happening. Seems to be on the
right path but could stall if people refuse vaccinations.

A vaccination that's not even approved by the FDA. You can get it, the
smart ones won't be guinea pigs.

Comparing a 3rd world country to the rest? Get real. That place is a
cesspool of diseases and germs.