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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:42:37 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest... On 04/20/2021 09:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2021 11:37 PM, rbowman wrote: On 04/20/2021 05:28 PM, Hal Bundy wrote: On 4/20/2021 5:16 PM, Tekkie? wrote: Nuff said, move on. This was a game changer. I suspect most cops will be seeking other careers now. I wonder how many resumes our PD will get? The pay might not be as good but the stress is a lot less. Most of the protesters think cops should be eliminated. Maybe one week every cop in the country should get the Blue Flu and see how well we get along without them. The next riots will be in Columbus OH where a cop shot a 15 year old girl who was trying her best to kill her BFF with a 6" butcher knife. The cop should have stood down. One way or the other a good, church going girl was going to the morgue. Doesn't help that the week before they shot a dindu who managed to find a weapon in the ER. He had the gun on him the entire time. The cop assumed the other one had searched him prior to cuff & stuff. When the second search revealed a gun the cop just whispered it to the other cop who didn't hear it correctly but the actor did. A ****show from get-go. -- Tekkie |
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OK ... how about the treacherous crime ridden city of North Bay Ontario ... ? pop. 53000. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/employers/ngbh I suspect that many of North Bay's Finest might draw their weapon about once a year .. if that. I can't opine on the magnitude of the salaries (which are in CAD). How do these compare with the average salary for private sectors of the Canadian economy? Ralph said police are under-paid for their dangerous job - I say not in my world - most are over-paid. ... farmers and firefighters work dangerous jobs. John T. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:28:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought. I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial. That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there. The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city. Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted. Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy. That left the defense in a terrible position. What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial. All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals. A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now. They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective. He is not a hero or role model. That is what bothers me. There are far more egregious police shootings. Breonna Taylor springs to mind but they had video of Floyd so the TV embraced it in spite of the fact that he was a thug that was fighting with the police and refused to get in the car. Mr Floyd could have stopped this at any time by saying "I give up, I will get in the car". Why do people always embrace these thugs? As for the cops, I guess in the future they will say "Tough ****, call the secret service" the next time someone tries to stick a merchant with a bogus bill. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:05:28 -0400, wrote:
When a cop is called out to a situation, he often only has a split second to determine if his or someone elses life is in danger. That job just does not pay enough for the dangers of it for me. I don't know what cops earn in your area - $ 110. grand for writing traffic tickets in Ontario. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/positions/pkhrx Plus generous benefits & pension. John T. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Lee..._D_KO27,41.htm $40,114 - $45,533 IOW 1.33 times the proposed minimum wage for a fairly new deputy. We are paying the people who are expected to run towards the gunshots a little more than we want to pay the guy who squirts ketchup on our burger at McDonalds. Something is very wrong going on here. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 12:59:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2021 10:28 AM, Frank wrote: On 4/21/2021 9:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought.Â* I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial.Â* That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there.Â*Â* The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city.Â* Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted.Â*Â* Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy.Â*Â*Â* That left the defense in a terrible position.Â* What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial.Â*Â* All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals.Â* A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now.Â* They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective.Â* He is not a hero or role model. Just thinking this am that George Floyd is probably the only one in the US that died with covid in his system whose death was not blamed on covid. Now we find that George Floyd deliberately sacrificed himself for the cause of racial justice: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-floyd-vpx.cnn George died for or sins huh? |
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On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:34:05 -0600, rbowman
wrote: I wonder what message a cop would take away? Never, never murder a man when he's unarmed, lying down and restrained just because he's black. If it happens, the US will be a better place. Most police in the US are too stupid to figure that out, but I admire your optimism. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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wrote in message ... On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:28:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought. I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial. That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there. The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city. Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted. Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy. That left the defense in a terrible position. What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial. All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals. A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now. They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective. He is not a hero or role model. That is what bothers me. There are far more egregious police shootings. Breonna Taylor springs to mind but they had video of Floyd so the TV embraced it in spite of the fact that he was a thug that was fighting with the police and refused to get in the car. Mr Floyd could have stopped this at any time by saying "I give up, I will get in the car". Why do people always embrace these thugs? For the same reason they are thugs themselves. As for the cops, I guess in the future they will say "Tough ****, call the secret service" the next time someone tries to stick a merchant with a bogus bill. Bet they will actually behave more reasonably when some thug like Floyd pulls a stunt like that and don't actually drag him from the cruiser he was already in and apply a knee to the thug's neck to posture in front of the crowd as a tough guy, even if Chauvin does eventually get off. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 05:06:29 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: That cop shooting of the black 13 year old in Chicago He wasn't black. is a good example. The 13 year old had a gun And threw it away. was involved with gang bangers No, he wasn't. And the cop wouldn't know that even if he had been. Thanks for showing us all why you have such a big problem with your police. Seems like racism is out of control. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 4/21/2021 7:48 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:59:23 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:05:28 -0400, wrote: When a cop is called out to a situation, he often only has a split second to determine if his or someone elses life is in danger. That job just does not pay enough for the dangers of it for me. I don't know what cops earn in your area - $ 110. grand for writing traffic tickets in Ontario. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/positions/pkhrx Plus generous benefits & pension. John T. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Lee..._D_KO27,41.htm $40,114 - $45,533 IOW 1.33 times the proposed minimum wage for a fairly new deputy. We are paying the people who are expected to run towards the gunshots a little more than we want to pay the guy who squirts ketchup on our burger at McDonalds. Something is very wrong going on here. Lee County FLA has less than 1 million population and $ 240 million police budget ... ? if the staff is so underpaid - .. one needs to ask where is that money going ! ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_County,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...ffice_(Florida) John T. I am no expert but a retired cop told me we have far more police than needed. Apparently in the old days when you were a cop you spent your time on the beat. Today apparently a lot of cops are tucked away in cubbyholes doing paper work. You can say the same thing about teachers. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: I finally heard a talk show host address the incident in VA with the black army lieutenant. Again, the cop has already been fired for pepper spraying him. Excellent. He obviously should have been fired for how he handled this encounter, but that begs the question of whether the officer's behavior during this encounter was typical of his behavior overall. If so, he should have been fired long ago, or not hired as a cop at all. The media only presents one very biased side of it, "black lieutenant pepper sprayed during traffic stop". The reality is he was in a SUV with tinted windows, no license plates. He had a temporary plate taped to the inside of the rear window. That's a very common thing, in my experience, so I assume it's legal, although IDK. The cop tried to pull him over, he kept going for a long ways, I think it might have been a mile or more. He finally pulls over in a gas station, he claims he kept going because he wanted to get to a well lit area. OK. Continuing to an area where it's safe to pull over is proper and encouraged. The key is to proceed slowly and deliberately, without doing anything to give the impression that you're trying to run. If the LT did his part properly, and IDK if he did, and if the officer still had a problem with it, then that would be a reason to discipline the officer. So the cop tells him to get out out the car over and over. He just keeps giving lip back, eg I didn't do anything, why are you stopping me? After telling him to get out or be pepper sprayed, after having the pepper spray out, after all that, finally the cop pepper sprayed him. This WABC talk radio host is the first I've heard say that the military and others should not be backing up this guy, that regardless of whether he's in the military or not, he was a smug thug that day. I've seen the video. He wasn't smug in the slightest. He was asking the exact questions that friends of mine who are traffic attorneys have told me I should ask if I get pulled over. What should have happened is the driver should have asked why he was being detained, and the officer should have replied with, "You're being detained because....", and give the actual reason. Not, "Get out of the vehicle." The officer was clearly in the wrong, but they almost always get away with that behavior. Heck, most people probably aren't even aware that the officer messed up. This time, with the whole thing caught on video, the officer had nowhere to hide and got shown the door. Good riddance, I'd say. It's just incredible to me that on the one hand these Black Lies Matter bunch claim cops are looking to gun down blacks and yet they continue to create these stupid, highly toxic, dangerous situations that wind up with awful results for themselves, the cops and all of us. There should be a balance. You want citizens to act differently, and in some cases they certainly should. I mostly want cops to act differently. I want them to follow the laws that they're supposed to be enforcing, and I want them to follow their training. Way too often, they do neither of those things but thanks to video cameras, things will hopefully change for the better. Without video, Chauvin would have gotten away with killing Floyd. Without video, the cop who stopped the Army officer would still have his job. I guess what we need is more video so we can weed out the cops who shouldn't be cops. |
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On 04/21/2021 02:22 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 07:42:37 -0600, rbowman posted for all of us to digest... On 04/20/2021 09:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2021 11:37 PM, rbowman wrote: On 04/20/2021 05:28 PM, Hal Bundy wrote: On 4/20/2021 5:16 PM, Tekkie? wrote: Nuff said, move on. This was a game changer. I suspect most cops will be seeking other careers now. I wonder how many resumes our PD will get? The pay might not be as good but the stress is a lot less. Most of the protesters think cops should be eliminated. Maybe one week every cop in the country should get the Blue Flu and see how well we get along without them. The next riots will be in Columbus OH where a cop shot a 15 year old girl who was trying her best to kill her BFF with a 6" butcher knife. The cop should have stood down. One way or the other a good, church going girl was going to the morgue. Doesn't help that the week before they shot a dindu who managed to find a weapon in the ER. He had the gun on him the entire time. The cop assumed the other one had searched him prior to cuff & stuff. When the second search revealed a gun the cop just whispered it to the other cop who didn't hear it correctly but the actor did. A ****show from get-go. Not a glowing recommendation for the Columbus PD. Amazing the spin they're putting on the girl. She was a good girl just trying to defend herself from a bunch of mean girls and was actually the one who called the popo. Then there is the Knoxville saint. Tunes up his girl friend so her mother calls the cops. Cops proceed to the high school and shoot him in the bathroom. That one is really murky. Reportedly one of the cops has a hole in him but it wasn't made by the kid's gun. ****, it's going to be a long, hot summer. |
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On 04/21/2021 12:10 PM, Rapida Muerte wrote:
On 4/21/21 12:59 PM, Frank wrote: On 4/21/2021 10:28 AM, Frank wrote: On 4/21/2021 9:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought. I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial. That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there. The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city. Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted. Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy. That left the defense in a terrible position. What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial. All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals. A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now. They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective. He is not a hero or role model. Just thinking this am that George Floyd is probably the only one in the US that died with covid in his system whose death was not blamed on covid. Now we find that George Floyd deliberately sacrificed himself for the cause of racial justice: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...-floyd-vpx.cnn The government should open up a free all-you-can-eat fentanyl and meth buffet in every major city. Works for me. A demographic that consists of 13% of the population has over 30% of the abortions so throw in a few planned parenthood clinics. The wokies are down on Margaret Sanger but the woman had the right idea. |
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On 04/21/2021 09:05 AM, wrote:
When a cop is called out to a situation, he often only has a split second to determine if his or someone elses life is in danger. That job just does not pay enough for the dangers of it for me. I don't know what cops earn in your area - $ 110. grand for writing traffic tickets in Ontario. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/positions/pkhrx Plus generous benefits & pension. John T. You get many dindus opening fire with an AK during your traffic stops? |
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On 04/21/2021 03:11 PM, wrote:
OK ... how about the treacherous crime ridden city of North Bay Ontario ... ? pop. 53000. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/employers/ngbh I suspect that many of North Bay's Finest might draw their weapon about once a year .. if that. I can't opine on the magnitude of the salaries (which are in CAD). How do these compare with the average salary for private sectors of the Canadian economy? Ralph said police are under-paid for their dangerous job - I say not in my world - most are over-paid. .. farmers and firefighters work dangerous jobs. John T. Your world is Canada... The cops here range from $45,000 to about $52,000. otoh I can only remember one getting shot in the last 30 years. There have been police involved shootings all of which were found to be justified. However they were white cops shooting white scumbags and white people don't make saints out of their felons. |
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On 04/21/2021 02:08 PM, Tekkie� wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:58:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us to digest... On 4/20/2021 7:31 PM, Frank wrote: On 4/20/2021 5:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:44:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:16:12 -0400, Tekkie© wrote: Nuff said, move on. I bet that won't happen. This is not a "move on" mob. Good grief. They took Jeopardy off to yap about the verdict. Jeopardy started here but got bumped for a Biden speech. My thought tonight is also a lot of potential rioters are disappointed that Chauvin was found guilty on all counts and they won't have an excuse to bring home that 70 inch TV they promised mom. I was surprised that they nailed him on all three. I don't understand how one victim can garner three murder charges from one assailant. You can only kill a person once. Eight weeks to sentencing and I'm sure appeals to follow. Maxine made sure of that. The senile senior pretending to be president stuck his oar in too. At least the dried up bitch from California waited for the verdict before proclaiming Floyd died for truth, justice, and the American way. |
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On 04/21/2021 05:19 PM, Shadow wrote:
On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:34:05 -0600, rbowman wrote: I wonder what message a cop would take away? Never, never murder a man when he's unarmed, lying down and restrained just because he's black. If it happens, the US will be a better place. Most police in the US are too stupid to figure that out, but I admire your optimism. []'s Thanks for editing my post, asshole. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:12:15 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:08:54 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:58:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2021 7:31 PM, Frank wrote: On 4/20/2021 5:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:44:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:16:12 -0400, Tekkie© wrote: Nuff said, move on. I bet that won't happen. This is not a "move on" mob. Â*Â*Â*Â* Good grief.Â*Â* They took Jeopardy off to yap about the verdict. Jeopardy started here but got bumped for a Biden speech. My thought tonight is also a lot of potential rioters are disappointed that Chauvin was found guilty on all counts and they won't have an excuse to bring home that 70 inch TV they promised mom. I was surprised that they nailed him on all three. I don't understand how one victim can garner three murder charges from one assailant. You can only kill a person once. Eight weeks to sentencing and I'm sure appeals to follow. The 3 verdicts gives an appeal court judge the latitude to toss 2 and still leave a charge standing if they don't toss all 3. The last I heard the appeal was going to be based on so much publicity and inflammatory statements from politicians that he couldn't get a fair trial. By the time this winds it's way through the courts we will be on to the next outrage and nobody will really be paying much attention to what actually happens to Chauvin. Why should they? He'll be in prison. It depends on whether he gets bond pending his appeal. In 2 years nobody will remember who George Floyd was. That may have actually been part of the plan all along. They can vacate the top 2 counts, he gets some number of years and gets out fairly early. OTOH he is hoping it gets tossed but that is unlikely. We still might not hear it if it did tho. I doubt anyone wants a new trial but I bet in Frost Bite Falls Mn where they would acquit on all counts. . |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 19:48:09 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:59:23 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:05:28 -0400, wrote: When a cop is called out to a situation, he often only has a split second to determine if his or someone elses life is in danger. That job just does not pay enough for the dangers of it for me. I don't know what cops earn in your area - $ 110. grand for writing traffic tickets in Ontario. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/positions/pkhrx Plus generous benefits & pension. John T. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Lee..._D_KO27,41.htm $40,114 - $45,533 IOW 1.33 times the proposed minimum wage for a fairly new deputy. We are paying the people who are expected to run towards the gunshots a little more than we want to pay the guy who squirts ketchup on our burger at McDonalds. Something is very wrong going on here. Lee County FLA has less than 1 million population and $ 240 million police budget ... ? if the staff is so underpaid - .. one needs to ask where is that money going ! ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_County,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...ffice_(Florida) John T. We spend over $150k a year to keep a deputy on the street doing that math. There are a ****load of deputies and they actually catch a lot of crooks. It' seems worth it. Car hopping (burglary) and other "nuisance crimes" are actually illegal here and the deputies are serious about catching the thief. In the big city, they might not even show up to take a report. They also have all the newest gadgets. Their cars look like the bridge on the Starship Enterprise. OTOH we are not dealing with 300 drug murders every year like Baltimore. |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:05:03 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:
On 4/21/2021 7:48 PM, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:59:23 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:05:28 -0400, wrote: When a cop is called out to a situation, he often only has a split second to determine if his or someone elses life is in danger. That job just does not pay enough for the dangers of it for me. I don't know what cops earn in your area - $ 110. grand for writing traffic tickets in Ontario. https://www.ontariosunshinelist.com/positions/pkhrx Plus generous benefits & pension. John T. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Lee..._D_KO27,41.htm $40,114 - $45,533 IOW 1.33 times the proposed minimum wage for a fairly new deputy. We are paying the people who are expected to run towards the gunshots a little more than we want to pay the guy who squirts ketchup on our burger at McDonalds. Something is very wrong going on here. Lee County FLA has less than 1 million population and $ 240 million police budget ... ? if the staff is so underpaid - .. one needs to ask where is that money going ! ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_County,_Florida https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...ffice_(Florida) John T. I am no expert but a retired cop told me we have far more police than needed. Apparently in the old days when you were a cop you spent your time on the beat. Today apparently a lot of cops are tucked away in cubbyholes doing paper work. You can say the same thing about teachers. That is one thing I can say about our Sheriff. They have always embraced technology. The deputies can do almost all of their paperwork on the laptop in their car, as things are going on. If you get a ticket here, it is a printout from his onboard printer that is actually the report on his ticket. He can put notes on it or whatever. I think they fill the fields when he runs your tag. |
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On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:34:49 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 18:12:15 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:08:54 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:58:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/20/2021 7:31 PM, Frank wrote: On 4/20/2021 5:56 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote: On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:44:58 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:16:12 -0400, Tekkie© wrote: Nuff said, move on. I bet that won't happen. This is not a "move on" mob. **** Good grief.** They took Jeopardy off to yap about the verdict. Jeopardy started here but got bumped for a Biden speech. My thought tonight is also a lot of potential rioters are disappointed that Chauvin was found guilty on all counts and they won't have an excuse to bring home that 70 inch TV they promised mom. I was surprised that they nailed him on all three. I don't understand how one victim can garner three murder charges from one assailant. You can only kill a person once. Eight weeks to sentencing and I'm sure appeals to follow. The 3 verdicts gives an appeal court judge the latitude to toss 2 and still leave a charge standing if they don't toss all 3. The last I heard the appeal was going to be based on so much publicity and inflammatory statements from politicians that he couldn't get a fair trial. By the time this winds it's way through the courts we will be on to the next outrage and nobody will really be paying much attention to what actually happens to Chauvin. Why should they? He'll be in prison. It depends on whether he gets bond pending his appeal. In 2 years nobody will remember who George Floyd was. Emmett Till was lynched in 1955 and lots of people still remember his name. (And the final days of his life.) |
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lowbrowwoman, the Endlessly Driveling Senile Gossip
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:36:56 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Your world is Canada... The cops here range from $45,000 to about $52,000. otoh I can only remember one getting shot in the last 30 years. There have been police involved shootings all of which were found to be justified. However they were white cops shooting white scumbags and white people don't make saints out of their felons. Black people obviously don't make endlessly gossiping senile assholes like the whites do, you ridiculous "white" gossip (and Trumptard, of course)! BG |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:41:16 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: On 04/21/2021 05:19 PM, Shadow wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:34:05 -0600, rbowman wrote: I wonder what message a cop would take away? Never, never murder a man when he's unarmed, lying down and restrained just because he's black. If it happens, the US will be a better place. Most police in the US are too stupid to figure that out, but I admire your optimism. []'s Thanks for editing my gossip, asshole. BG Sure, any time, bigmouth! |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:28:33 -0600, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: The government should open up a free all-you-can-eat fentanyl and meth buffet in every major city. Works for me. A demographic that consists of 13% of the population has over 30% of the abortions so throw in a few planned parenthood clinics. The wokies are down on Margaret Sanger but the woman had the right idea. I think the government should offer free euthanizing to useless endlessly driveling senile assholes such as you are, senile gossipping Trumptard! |
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More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 09:22:33 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the useless trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread It's ALL absolutely NONE of yours, senile trolling arsehole from Australia! LOL -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:39:36 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: I was surprised that they nailed him on all three. I don't understand how one victim can garner three murder charges from one assailant. You can only kill a person once. Eight weeks to sentencing and I'm sure appeals to follow. Maxine made sure of that. The senile senior pretending Oh, the irony! This coming from the pretentious senile bigmouth! LOL |
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On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:24:40 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again: Not a glowing recommendation for the Columbus PD. Amazing the spin they're putting on the girl. She was a good girl just trying to defend herself from a bunch of mean girls and was actually the one who called the popo. Then there is the Knoxville saint. Tunes up his girl friend so her mother calls the cops. Cops proceed to the high school and shoot him in the bathroom. That one is really murky. Reportedly one of the cops has a hole in him but it wasn't made by the kid's gun. ****, it's going to be a long, hot summer. Oh, just take your senile gossip off to an appropriate newsgroup, you endlessly gossiping senile Trumptard! |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:03:36 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:34:49 -0400, wrote: It depends on whether he gets bond pending his appeal. In 2 years nobody will remember who George Floyd was. Emmett Till was lynched in 1955 and lots of people still remember his name. (And the final days of his life.) When Congress passes the George Floyd police reform bill, that will take care of that. More likely that Chauvin will be forgotten. I seem to recall that Greg predicted that Chauvin wouldn't be convicted, but I could be wrong. |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:41:16 -0600, rbowman
wrote: On 04/21/2021 05:19 PM, Shadow wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:34:05 -0600, rbowman wrote: I wonder what message a cop would take away? Never, never murder a man when he's unarmed, lying down and restrained just because he's black. If it happens, the US will be a better place. Most police in the US are too stupid to figure that out, but I admire your optimism. []'s Thanks for editing my post, asshole. I didn't alter a single word. I just snipped the racist trash. HTH []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On 4/22/21 1:27 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:57:45 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: writes: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:28:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought. I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial. That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there. The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city. Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted. Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy. That left the defense in a terrible position. What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial. All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals. A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now. They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective. He is not a hero or role model. That is what bothers me. There are far more egregious police shootings. Breonna Taylor springs to mind but they had video of Floyd so the TV embraced it in spite of the fact that he was a thug that was fighting with the police and refused to get in the car. Mr Floyd could have stopped this at any time by saying "I give up, I will get in the car". Why do people always embrace these thugs? Because murder is murder even if one is an -accused- thug. We only legally murder people after they've been convicted by a jury of their peers. Resisting arrest is not a capital crime. Mr Floyd was an accessory to that murder. He could have given up and got in the car at any time. Nobody ever heard him say it tho. At autopsy, they found our hero had 3x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.Â* By rights, they should have charged his drug dealer with the murder. https://rumble.com/vfwdr5-we-are-liv...n-verdict.html And FWIW, our hero also tested positive for the COVID. Why was this not labeled a COVID death like all the others? |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On 4/22/2021 7:16 AM, Ward wrote:
On 4/22/21 1:27 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:57:45 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: writes: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:28:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought.Â* I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial.Â* That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there.Â*Â* The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city.Â* Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted.Â*Â* Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was.Â* The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy.Â*Â*Â* That left the defense in a terrible position.Â* What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial.Â*Â* All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals.Â* A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now.Â* They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective.Â* He is not a hero or role model. That is what bothers me. There are far more egregious police shootings. Breonna Taylor springs to mind but they had video of Floyd so the TV embraced it in spite of the fact that he was a thug that was fighting with the police and refused to get in the car. Mr Floyd could have stopped this at any time by saying "I give up, I will get in the car". Why do people always embrace these thugs? Because murder is murder even if one is an -accused- thug.Â* We only legally murder people after they've been convicted by a jury of their peers.Â* Resisting arrest is not a capital crime. Mr Floyd was an accessory to that murder. He could have given up and got in the car at any time. Nobody ever heard him say it tho. At autopsy, they found our hero had 3x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.Â* By rights, they should have charged his drug dealer with the murder. https://rumble.com/vfwdr5-we-are-liv...n-verdict.html And FWIW, our hero also tested positive for the COVID. Why was this not labeled a COVID death like all the others? Also had covid virus. I had noted before that he was probably the only one to die in the US with covid in his system whose death was not attributed to covid. |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 7:25:07 AM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 4/22/2021 7:16 AM, Ward wrote: On 4/22/21 1:27 AM, wrote: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:57:45 GMT, (Scott Lurndal) wrote: writes: On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:28:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 4/21/2021 8:00 AM, trader_4 wrote: . Ed, that's exactly what I thought. I can't recall another case where the charges ranged from manslaughter to murder and they convicted them of all three. That must be something peculiar to Minnesota. As to appeals, if there is still justice in America, he should be granted a new trial. That trial never should have been held in Minneapolis, it was impossible for him to get a fair trial there. The jury was under the gun, knew that if they acquitted, the mobs would be burning down their city. Maxine Waters, always the fool and despicable, added to it by calling for violence while the trial was going on, if he was acquitted. Another thing that should not have been allowed was all the tearful testimony of what a great guy that POS Floyd was. The prosecution brought up one witness after another, portraying him as a kind, loving, beautiful guy. That left the defense in a terrible position. What could they do, go cross examine them and ask what about the fact that he held a knife to a pregnant woman during a home invasion and all his other arrests? If they did, then the jury could feel that the defense was attacking a dead man. I'm not saying Chauvin was innocent, but there is no way that sham was a fair trial and I hope he gets a new trial. All kinds of trials have been granted changes of venue for far less poisonous environments than existed here. With all the publicity it would be difficult to try him anywhere and Maxine would follow. They did not name the jurors of course, but you can be sure they were known to the locals. A non-guilty could have had their houses burned down too. Every big city seems to have a mural of Floyd now. They should also put up a of his arrests with it to keep it in perspective. He is not a hero or role model. That is what bothers me. There are far more egregious police shootings. Breonna Taylor springs to mind but they had video of Floyd so the TV embraced it in spite of the fact that he was a thug that was fighting with the police and refused to get in the car. Mr Floyd could have stopped this at any time by saying "I give up, I will get in the car". Why do people always embrace these thugs? Because murder is murder even if one is an -accused- thug. We only legally murder people after they've been convicted by a jury of their peers. Resisting arrest is not a capital crime. Mr Floyd was an accessory to that murder. He could have given up and got in the car at any time. Nobody ever heard him say it tho. At autopsy, they found our hero had 3x the lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. By rights, they should have charged his drug dealer with the murder. https://rumble.com/vfwdr5-we-are-liv...n-verdict.html And FWIW, our hero also tested positive for the COVID. Why was this not labeled a COVID death like all the others? Also had covid virus. I had noted before that he was probably the only one to die in the US with covid in his system whose death was not attributed to covid. A cynic might suggest that's because his survivors got millions because the cop killed him. They'd get only burial expense from the Feds if Covid did. |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:17:58 PM UTC-4, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:07:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: I finally heard a talk show host address the incident in VA with the black army lieutenant. Again, the cop has already been fired for pepper spraying him. Excellent. He obviously should have been fired for how he handled this encounter, What would you suggest? Carry a box of chocolates? Just walk away? The cop tried repeatedly to reason with that guy, he was obviously looking to create an incident, probably to get his 15 minutes on CNN. This Black Lies Matter BS is exactly that. They claim to believe that cops are out to execute blacks, but then they pull this kind of stunt, instead of just cooperating. but that begs the question of whether the officer's behavior during this encounter was typical of his behavior overall. If so, he should have been fired long ago, or not hired as a cop at all. The media only presents one very biased side of it, "black lieutenant pepper sprayed during traffic stop". The reality is he was in a SUV with tinted windows, no license plates. He had a temporary plate taped to the inside of the rear window. That's a very common thing, in my experience, so I assume it's legal, although IDK. A tag that the cops could not see, because the SUV had tinted windows. Did you watch the video? From the cop car camera you see no license plates, no tag visible in the rear window. The cop tried to pull him over, he kept going for a long ways, I think it might have been a mile or more. He finally pulls over in a gas station, he claims he kept going because he wanted to get to a well lit area. OK. Continuing to an area where it's safe to pull over is proper and encouraged. Where it's safe to pull over typically does not require you to drive a mile. Especially when you have no plates and a tag that's not readily visible. Which brings us back to the non-cooperation, I have no idea why I'm being pulled over crap. The key is to proceed slowly and deliberately, without doing anything to give the impression that you're trying to run. If the LT did his part properly, and IDK if he did, Yet here you are saying the cop was wrong and should be fired. Go figure. and if the officer still had a problem with it, then that would be a reason to discipline the officer. So the cop tells him to get out out the car over and over. He just keeps giving lip back, eg I didn't do anything, why are you stopping me? After telling him to get out or be pepper sprayed, after having the pepper spray out, after all that, finally the cop pepper sprayed him. This WABC talk radio host is the first I've heard say that the military and others should not be backing up this guy, that regardless of whether he's in the military or not, he was a smug thug that day. I've seen the video. He wasn't smug in the slightest. He was asking the exact questions that friends of mine who are traffic attorneys have told me I should ask if I get pulled over. Do they also tell you to refuse police commands? To refuse to exit the vehicle after repeated requests, when the final warnings to get out or be pepper sprayed are given? I could have pulled this crap a few years ago when we got pulled over. The cop asked for our IDs. I asked what's going on? The cop refused to tell me. I complied, we gave him our IDs. I wound up 5 mins later with a ticket for having no seat belt. See how that works? What should have happened is the driver should have asked why he was being detained, and the officer should have replied with, "You're being detained because....", and give the actual reason. Not, "Get out of the vehicle." IMO the cop that stopped us should have answered my question too, but they don't have to. Some aholes choose to respond to that by escalating it into a major incident. The officer was clearly in the wrong, but they almost always get away with that behavior. Heck, most people probably aren't even aware that the officer messed up. This time, with the whole thing caught on video, the officer had nowhere to hide and got shown the door. Good riddance, I'd say. All cops should stage a national day off, we're they refuse to do their jobs any more. See how you like that. Shoot a kid with a gun, 'cops shoot black kid", should have tased him. Cops tase someone, that's wrong too, they should have sprayed him. Spray a guy who's refusing to cooperate after numerous attempts to reason with him, that's wrong too. It's just incredible to me that on the one hand these Black Lies Matter bunch claim cops are looking to gun down blacks and yet they continue to create these stupid, highly toxic, dangerous situations that wind up with awful results for themselves, the cops and all of us. There should be a balance. You want citizens to act differently, and in some cases they certainly should. I mostly want cops to act differently. I want them to follow the laws that they're supposed to be enforcing, and I want them to follow their training. Way too often, they do neither of those things but thanks to video cameras, things will hopefully change for the better. And that's exactly what that cop did. He pepper sprayed a guy who was refusing to cooperate, after numerous attempts and a final warning to get out or be sprayed. Had the guy not been black, it would have been just another day.. Without video, Chauvin would have gotten away with killing Floyd. Without video, the cop who stopped the Army officer would still have his job. I guess what we need is more video so we can weed out the cops who shouldn't be cops. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Everyone I talk to says they would not want to be a cop today. We've seen how the lib mentality is working with crime. Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore, etc and now even NYC going the same way under the leadership of ultra lib de Blasio, who undermines cops and the rule of law at every chance. Which raises another interesting point. Why aren't the Black Lies Matter crowd protesting in Chicago? There are dozens of shootings of blacks on a good weekend there. Apparently those lives don't matter, because they don't involve whites and there is no racial angle to whip up. |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On 04/22/2021 05:16 AM, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 20:41:16 -0600, rbowman wrote: On 04/21/2021 05:19 PM, Shadow wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:34:05 -0600, rbowman wrote: I wonder what message a cop would take away? Never, never murder a man when he's unarmed, lying down and restrained just because he's black. If it happens, the US will be a better place. Most police in the US are too stupid to figure that out, but I admire your optimism. []'s Thanks for editing my post, asshole. I didn't alter a single word. I just snipped the racist trash. HTH []'s Are we past that 'race is a social construct' bull**** yet? The blacks seem to think they're pretty special. You don't get it both ways. |
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Derek Chauvin- found guilty
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 05:11:22 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:03:36 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:34:49 -0400, wrote: It depends on whether he gets bond pending his appeal. In 2 years nobody will remember who George Floyd was. Emmett Till was lynched in 1955 and lots of people still remember his name. (And the final days of his life.) When Congress passes the George Floyd police reform bill, that will take care of that. More likely that Chauvin will be forgotten. I seem to recall that Greg predicted that Chauvin wouldn't be convicted, but I could be wrong. Unfortunately, that would have been the safe prediction. Cops usually get away with their on-duty murders in this country. |
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On 4/22/2021 11:13 AM, Jim Joyce wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 05:11:22 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:03:36 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 01:34:49 -0400, wrote: It depends on whether he gets bond pending his appeal. In 2 years nobody will remember who George Floyd was. Emmett Till was lynched in 1955 and lots of people still remember his name. (And the final days of his life.) When Congress passes the George Floyd police reform bill, that will take care of that. More likely that Chauvin will be forgotten. I seem to recall that Greg predicted that Chauvin wouldn't be convicted, but I could be wrong. Unfortunately, that would have been the safe prediction. Cops usually get away with their on-duty murders in this country. The difference here is video and 9 1/2 minutes. Given the time and number of police around to help, you can easily make the argument this was the wrong way to subdue him. |
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