On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.

I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

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On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland
fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor
oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil
by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department
store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended
dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for
a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice
though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of
different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter
range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.

I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

You don't even need to change the oil or filter necessarily. My 73 VW
Golf/Rabbit used quite a bit of oil so I just kept adding more as required.
That car lasted me for 45 years and even then, the only reason I stopped
using it was because the floor eventually rusted thru because I was stupid
enough to not fix the known windscreen leak that produced a wet floor
after heavy rain, the car lives outside, not in a garage or carport. Never
did show any sign of engine wear, we did emissions testing of the
exhaust every year for rego renewal here.

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On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 12:41:31 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.
I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

I think you're probably right about that. I'm more concerned about the
transmissions that are now sealed for life. They never leak? If they do,
what happens? I guess you'd notice it on the garage floor so you could
fix it before disaster. But if it's a vehicle parked outside? AFAIK there
is no sensor to warn of low fluid either. Funny, the BMW has a sensor
to warn if the 8 qt engine is running low, but AFAIK, nothing to warn if
the tranny is running dry.

Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.

On 3/23/2021 10:42 AM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.


Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...


On 3/23/2021 10:42 AM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.


Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.

--
Tekkie

On 3/24/2021 4:38 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...



Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.


I can't stand to listen to him more than 20 seconds. Can't imagine
having to spend more than a few minutes with him at work every day.

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:43:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/24/2021 4:38 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...



Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.


I can't stand to listen to him more than 20 seconds. Can't imagine
having to spend more than a few minutes with him at work every day.

I don't think I could listen to him for more than 10 seconds. This guy is very good. I
watch just about every vid he makes.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtA...liY7ko1PBhzTHA

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:43:06 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/24/2021 4:38 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...



Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.


I can't stand to listen to him more than 20 seconds. Can't imagine
having to spend more than a few minutes with him at work every day.
Not only is he extremely irritating he is wrong at least twice as
often than right.

On 3/24/2021 4:38 PM, Tekkie� wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...


On 3/23/2021 10:42 AM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.


Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.


I cannot fault him for the comment on oil and learn a lot from him and
he is entertaining. He does make good points that make sense like a
turbocharged small engine is bound to wear out faster.

He is a Toyota fan but points out some of their bad years. He expects a
good car to last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I never had a car
with much over one hundred thousand miles on it that was not dying of
old age.

He has a huge fan base and makes all his money off You Tube videos and
no car or car part sponsors.

On 25-03-2021 22:17 Frank wrote:

He has a huge fan base and makes all his money off You Tube videos and
no car or car part sponsors.

Scotty Kilmer's automotive repair & maintenance advice is good for young
kids (IMHO) but maybe not for wizened old farts like we are (& like he is).

The reason is that his advice is overly simplified (IMHO) such that Scotty
leaves out important detail we old farts know (& I'm sure he knows it too).

Mostly Scotty is in the right direction but he doesn't go into enough detail
to tell us much we didn't long ago learn way back in the sixties (IMHO).

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:47:51 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 3/24/2021 4:38 PM, Tekkie? wrote:

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 10:50:25 -0400, Frank posted for all of us to digest...


On 3/23/2021 10:42 AM, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.


Scotty Kilmer is fond of saying, "Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.
Change your oil frequently."

Sorry Frank, I don't consider him a reliable source. He has a point there but
his comments on other issues leave a lot to be desired. If he were the "Ruler
of the Cars" one would only be allowed to have a Toyota.


I cannot fault him for the comment on oil and learn a lot from him and
he is entertaining. He does make good points that make sense like a
turbocharged small engine is bound to wear out faster.

He is a Toyota fan but points out some of their bad years. He expects a
good car to last for hundreds of thousands of miles. I never had a car
with much over one hundred thousand miles on it that was not dying of
old age.


Buy a Honda. My Prelude is almost 25 years old, god only knows how
many miles it has on it because the speedometer was tricked up when I
got it in 2002 but it says 110,000 and the engine is probably the
strongest part. My guess is closer to 200k. I also don't take very
good care of it. Cheap oil, when I think about it and that is far from
once a year. At this point a dealer oil change and the service they
sell you with that would be 10% of the value of the car ;-)

This is also that VVT thing that Clare says requires wonder oil.

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:45:21 AM UTC-4, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.
I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.

I carry a amethyst stone for protection from tigers. It seems to work for me,
I haven't been attacked by any tigers.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 7:37:54 AM UTC-5, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 10:45:21 AM UTC-4, TimR wrote:
On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 8:08:50 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:


Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.
I have a friend who drives older vehicles.

Every time he changes his oil, he also pulls the plug on the coolant and the transmission fluid. He doesn't drop the pan or make an effort to get all the fluids out, but he replaces the amount that did drain, and figures about every third times he's replaced it.

It seems to work for him, he gets a lot out of older vehicles.
I carry a amethyst stone for protection from tigers. It seems to work for me,
I haven't been attacked by any tigers.


You got to admit then that one looks excellent

mk5000

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On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 05:08:46 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021 at 12:41:31 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.
I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

I think you're probably right about that. I'm more concerned about the
transmissions that are now sealed for life. They never leak? If they do,
what happens? I guess you'd notice it on the garage floor so you could
fix it before disaster. But if it's a vehicle parked outside? AFAIK there
is no sensor to warn of low fluid either. Funny, the BMW has a sensor
to warn if the 8 qt engine is running low, but AFAIK, nothing to warn if
the tranny is running dry.

Then there are the fanatics that change synthetic oil every 5K miles or less,
that change the tranny, differential fluid and antifreeze every 20K miles and
only use the official dealer fluid.

You figure out when an automatic is low right away, It won't shift
right and if it gets low enough it won't go at all.
Manual trans, not so much. You just have to see the oil spot where you
park. Back when it was 90w, you could smell it. Now they use ATF.

On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:41:14 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.

I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

+1 I guess Clare could give an idea about oil related destruction. I think the
problem spot on engines now is the VVT mechanism. As on SNL "We will pump you
up"

--
Tekkie

On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 16:33:51 -0400, Tekkie©
wrote:


On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:41:14 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.

I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.

+1 I guess Clare could give an idea about oil related destruction. I think the
problem spot on engines now is the VVT mechanism. As on SNL "We will pump you
up"
ANything with VVT you need to be carefull to use the specified oil
and change it often enough, or the savings realized by skimping on oil
will bite you in the ass in a spectacularly expensive way.

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2021 00:41:14 -0400, posted for all of us to
digest...


On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 20:58:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


On Monday, March 22, 2021 at 1:50:40 PM UTC-4, mike wrote:

I'm not complaining or even asking whether the $25/10 quarts Kirkland fully
synthetic 5W30 SP oil is good or not as I know all about synthetic oil
advantages & disadvantages over conventional gasoline engine motor oils.

I'm just asking if you've also found it hard to find conventional oil by the
case at good prices (which means at your local Costco or department store)?

My VW came with dire warnings not to put anything but the recommended dealer oil in. But it's new enough not to leak down, so not a worry for a while.

Conventional and synthetic oils both start with the same raw dino juice though. The only difference is in the refining. Both have a range of different molecular weight oils, but the synthetic has a much tighter range.


Synthetics are superior to conventional oils. I've witnessed testing
and the difference is amazing. The test i saw showed a small engine
seizing on conventional oil at 5000 rpm but would run forever on
synthetic at 8000 rpm.

I really think people obsess about oil. Cars are scrapped for a dozen
other reason long before they fail from a failure related to the oil.
If you are using any genuine API rated oil suitable for your engine
and change it occasionally your engine will outlast the car at least
as much as the oil would affect.
+1 I guess Clare could give an idea about oil related destruction. I think the
problem spot on engines now is the VVT mechanism. As on SNL "We will pump you
up"



Good, at least covid is off your mind
Ok have a good evening

mk5000

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