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OT: COVID vaccine cure worse than disease?
According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966
individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? |
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On 3/7/2021 8:19 AM, Ned wrote:
According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? It takes weeks after vaccination to develop the antibodies and you can have the virus and not know it before being vaccinated. My wife knows a guy that got vaccinated and he and his wife were hospitalized with the virus the next day. Wife survived, he didn't. A couple of weeks before, his twin brother and his wife were both hospitalized with the virus. She died, he didn't. These are people in their 80's. |
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On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote:
According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? -- Name one time in human history when the group seeking to ban books and censor speech were the good guys. I'll wait... |
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On 3/7/2021 8:57 AM, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Â*SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Well known logical fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett
wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. |
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On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:42 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. End of BS discussion. |
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On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 08:40:59 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:42 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. End of BS discussion. Yeah, ignore that bullet hole or the massive trauma from that car accident. They tested positive for covid. |
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On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 12:52:18 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 08:40:59 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:42 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. End of BS discussion. Yeah, ignore that bullet hole or the massive trauma from that car accident. They tested positive for covid. Apparently you again missed the core part: '"The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. End of BS discussion." So 500K MORE people would have had to have died over the past year from bullets or car accidents, not Covid, for your silly argument to have any merit. Did that happen? No. I see your genius Republican governor has the state fully open, no masks, no social distancing required and Spring Break has just started. That should do wonders to sicken and kill more people all over the US. Sad that the Republican Party is now the party of Covid denial and death. The favorite stupid argument is that it should be up to the individual. Do we do that with speed limits on highways? With other public health measures? Do we allow food service kitchens as unsafe or as dirty as the owners want? Do we allow venues to pack in as many people as they want, no need for fire codes, it's up to the people? The only reason we are at this awful point with such simple, logical things is due to one evil ahole, Trump and he should burn in hell. And here you are, still spreading the BS. |
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"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:42 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. Bit more than that actually because there have been far fewer killed by influenza this year. End of BS discussion. Nope, that never ends. |
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More Heavy Trolling by Senile Nym-Shifting Rodent Speed!
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 05:43:45 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. Bit more than that actually because there have been far fewer killed by influenza this year. In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest from Oz? End of BS discussion. Nope, that never ends. In auto-contradicting mode again, senile pest from Oz? -- Kerr-Mudd,John addressing the auto-contradicting senile cretin: "Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)" MID: |
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On 3/8/2021 1:43 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
"trader_4" wrote in message ... On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:36:42 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:57:45 -0500, Wade Garrett wrote: On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? Careful now, You are going to start the discussion about people who died with Covid vs those who died from Covid. The excess deaths for the past year equal those that died from Covid. Bit more than that actually because there have been far fewer killed by influenza this year. Yes, because the same safeguards put in place for Covid work on other viruses too. Masks and distance helps. |
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On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:57:51 AM UTC-6, Wade Garrett wrote:
On 3/7/21 8:19 AM, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. SNIP You may be confusing correlation with causation. For example, of the 643 people who died in south Florida last week, 522 of them had eaten chocolate ice cream in the previous 10 days. See whadda mean, Vern? and just like my dog, they had a different flavor the next day, because they will not eat the same thing twice in a row and all the people who had chocolate twice, and all the people who did not THEY ALL DIED or will mk5000 Many people see the chance to eat something for nothing, without the need to cook or wash up, as the great consolation of going out to dinner. But they forget quite how difficult it is to talk to a stranger and eat at the same time. Craig Brown |
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On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Ned wrote:
According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector if Trump had won, fortunately Scott Atlas would have been gone because his special appointment status was for a very limited term Speculated atlas resigned consistent with this https://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...z4m-story.html |
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On 3/7/2021 10:41 PM, marika wrote:
On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. |
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In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 7 Mar 2021 23:16:15 -0500, Ed Pawlowski
wrote: On 3/7/2021 10:41 PM, marika wrote: On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! What! No one told me. Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. No, no. Fully 1/3 of all the people who ever lived are alive now, so the empirical evidence is that youonly have a 67% chance of dying. I staking my place in the 33%. |
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On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 11:16:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/7/2021 10:41 PM, marika wrote: On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:19:34 AM UTC-6, Ned wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 966 individuals have died after having received an mRNA vaccine for COVID-19. Between Dec. 14 and Feb. 19, 19,769 reports were made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) following immunizations with either the Moderna or Pfizer BioNTech mRNA vaccines (the only two vaccines given during the time period assessed). At this time, VAERS data is not available after Feb. 19. The 966 deaths represent 5 percent of the total number of adverse events reports. Of those who died, 86, (8.9 percent) died on the same day they got the shot. An additional 129, (13.4 percent) died within one day. An additional 97 died within 2 days, and 61 within 3 days. A total of 514 (53.2 percent) died within a week. 173 died within 7-13 days. 106 within 14-20 days. 85 percent of deaths occurred in individuals over 60; below 60 there were five deaths among those aged 20-29; 8 aged 30-39; 20 aged 40-49; and 57 aged 50-59. For detailed information drawn from the VAERS reports, see charts provided at the link. https://www.theepochtimes.com/advers...9_3723384.html The law prevents victims from suing the vaccine companies but do they at least pay your funeral expenses? I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. The first starting point would be to know the age distribution, how many people were vaccinated. It was as of mid Feb, so I'm guessing about 40 mil. So how many people would be statistically expected to die? Also, what condition were these people in? They put nursing homes at the top of the list, so it would be biased towards people in poor health. It's certainly possible that the vaccine could have contributed to the death of some people in poor health. More troubling are the small number of reports of people that had no known health issues, who died mysteriously, the doctor in his 50s in FL being a prime example. He got vaccinated, a few days later noticed blotches on his skin from hemoraghing. He went to the ER, was hospitalized with an unusual low blood cell count. He died three weeks later, they could not figure out what was wrong, his BC stayed deadly low despite all attempts to raise it. He died of a stroke. |
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On 3/9/2021 9:05 AM, trader_4 wrote:
I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. The first starting point would be to know the age distribution, how many people were vaccinated. It was as of mid Feb, so I'm guessing about 40 mil. So how many people would be statistically expected to die? Also, what condition were these people in? They put nursing homes at the top of the list, so it would be biased towards people in poor health. It's certainly possible that the vaccine could have contributed to the death of some people in poor health. More troubling are the small number of reports of people that had no known health issues, who died mysteriously, the doctor in his 50s in FL being a prime example. He got vaccinated, a few days later noticed blotches on his skin from hemoraghing. He went to the ER, was hospitalized with an unusual low blood cell count. He died three weeks later, they could not figure out what was wrong, his BC stayed deadly low despite all attempts to raise it. He died of a stroke. Would be good to know. Possible just a coincidence. Possible cause by exposure to a patient or some drug/chemical he used in treatment. Or it could be vaccine. |
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On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/9/2021 9:05 AM, trader_4 wrote: I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. The first starting point would be to know the age distribution, how many people were vaccinated. It was as of mid Feb, so I'm guessing about 40 mil. So how many people would be statistically expected to die? Also, what condition were these people in? They put nursing homes at the top of the list, so it would be biased towards people in poor health. It's certainly possible that the vaccine could have contributed to the death of some people in poor health. More troubling are the small number of reports of people that had no known health issues, who died mysteriously, the doctor in his 50s in FL being a prime example. He got vaccinated, a few days later noticed blotches on his skin from hemoraghing. He went to the ER, was hospitalized with an unusual low blood cell count. He died three weeks later, they could not figure out what was wrong, his BC stayed deadly low despite all attempts to raise it. He died of a stroke. Would be good to know. Possible just a coincidence. Possible cause by exposure to a patient or some drug/chemical he used in treatment. Or it could be vaccine. Since this is not an episode of "House, M.D.", we will likely never know. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 9:28:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/9/2021 9:05 AM, trader_4 wrote: I do not know I doubt it but why are you sure that the vaccine was the cause "after is a heck of a vague connector Answer is simple. He wants to stir up **** for no good reason. Fact: Everyone that gets the vaccine is going to die! Terrible thought, but it is backed up by scientists around the world. The timeline is unclear but they are pretty sure it is in the next 100 years. The first starting point would be to know the age distribution, how many people were vaccinated. It was as of mid Feb, so I'm guessing about 40 mil. So how many people would be statistically expected to die? Also, what condition were these people in? They put nursing homes at the top of the list, so it would be biased towards people in poor health. It's certainly possible that the vaccine could have contributed to the death of some people in poor health. More troubling are the small number of reports of people that had no known health issues, who died mysteriously, the doctor in his 50s in FL being a prime example. He got vaccinated, a few days later noticed blotches on his skin from hemoraghing. He went to the ER, was hospitalized with an unusual low blood cell count. He died three weeks later, they could not figure out what was wrong, his BC stayed deadly low despite all attempts to raise it. He died of a stroke. Would be good to know. Possible just a coincidence. Possible cause by exposure to a patient or some drug/chemical he used in treatment. Or it could be vaccine. You would think with the patient alive and cooperative and all the attempts to figure out what happened to him over 3 weeks, they would have figured out something that might have caused his BC to drop to deathly levels and no way to get it back up. But there was no it might be XXXX disease. They did report that a similar thing has been seen very rarely with the MMR vaccine though. |
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On Sun, 7 Mar 2021 08:19:28 -0500, Ned
wrote: According to adverse incident reports collected by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Which reports? Can't find them. Do you ever check your sources? More #FAKE_NEWS.... PS The COVID vaccines are not a cure. Your subject line is(deliberately?) incorrect. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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