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New York AG sues NRA, seeks to dissolve
On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:42:41 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 17:58:26 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Mon, 10 Aug 2020 00:41:13 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:56:42 -0500, Jim Joyce wrote: On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 15:20:49 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 06:16:12 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Saturday, August 8, 2020 at 1:49:33 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 10:22:31 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/8/2020 2:00 AM, rbowman wrote: On 08/07/2020 08:51 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/7/2020 8:45 PM, Bob F wrote: On 8/7/2020 4:43 PM, wrote: On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 11:49:13 -0700, Bob F wrote: On 8/7/2020 11:26 AM, Frank wrote: On 8/7/2020 2:16 PM, Phil Kangas wrote: "Jim Joyce" wrote in message ... This is freaking fantastic, but to be honest a bit of a long shot. The New York Attorney General has sued the NRA, alleging vast ongoing fraud, and seeks to dissolve the organization. Dissolution might be a bit of a long shot, but this is the same AG office that sued the Trump University and the Trump charity, forcing both of those organizations to shut down. So she has some experience here. Trump responded to the news by suggesting that the NRA simply close up shop in NY and move their operation to Texas. That's not possible, of course. If it were that easy to avoid or evade this type of lawsuit, Trump would have moved his fake University and his fake charity, rather than paying fines and shutting down. This is a story to watch. Their goal is to remove the Second Amendment from the costitution! The 2nd 'protects' the right to keep and bear arms, not 'grant' the right to keep and bear arms! These people in favor of eliminating it are traitors to the constitution! The NRA was incorporated in New York.* They could easily transfer this to another state and take their corporate taxes there, if there are any since it is a non-profit. I'm an NRA lifer and urge others to join the NRA to put this kind of crap to rest.* Any gun owner should be a member, if he wants to keep his guns. Nice of you to pay for numerous private jet trips to the tropics for Wayne Lapierre and his family. Millions spent. I am sure your "friends" appreciate their chance to help his vacations too. NRA is quite the "charity". I don't want to shock you scooter but most charities have stories like this. I guess this AG is going to have plenty of work. I'm glad she is on it. If the NRA is doing shady stuff, good for her.* Getting rid of the NRA does not change the 2nd amendment. without the NRA do you think the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment wouldn't have changed? Perhaps, but that does not give the NRA to abuse funds if that is the case. If I was an NRA member I may want it investigated to see where my does money is being spent. That is a separate issue than whether they should be disbanded. Calling attention to it and getting La Pierre fired is not the same as disbanding the organization. The NRA members should have done that, years ago. Obviously they don't care what's really going on. If someone was stealing from United Way, would we disband United Way? This clearly is political. NY govt was already attacking the NRA several years ago. In that case, because they hate the NRA, they used state bank regulators to threaten banks operating in NY that do business with the NRA to try to get them to cut off doing business with the NRA. That was corrupt, an abuse of govt, those officials should have been removed. Seems to me while this could be a big inconvenience for the NRA, it doesn't mean that they would be really dissolved. They would only be dissolved in NY state and could immediately resume operations in another gun friendly state. I suppose given the attitude of NY though, they may choose to pull some more dirty shystering tricks, like claiming the NRA list of members has to say with the NY dictators. But even that would not be the end of the NRA. This probably is helping them more than hurting them. And helping move some votes to Trump too, it was really, really dumb move, IMO. I suspect they need some presence in NY to have standing in their law suits. I do find it strange that they allege fraud against a corporation but they are not prosecuting that fraud, they are just trying to kill the corporation. No, the AG is prosecuting the fraud. Dissolution could be one of the possible outcomes, but it seems unlikely, doesn't it? It seems more likely to me that, even if the AG is successful, there might only be some fines involved, or perhaps the NRA's tax-exempt status could be revoked. Fraud is a crime. If she can make that case why didn't she? It sounds to me like that is exactly the case that she's making. This is from her office's press release: "In the complaint, Attorney General James lays out dozens of examples where the four individual defendants failed to fulfill their fiduciary duty to the NRA and used millions upon millions from NRA reserves for personal use, including trips for them and their families to the Bahamas, private jets, expensive meals, and other private travel. In addition to shuttering the NRA’s doors, Attorney General James seeks to recoup millions in lost assets and to stop the four individual defendants from serving on the board of any not-for-profit charitable organization in the state of New York again." Sounds like fraud to me, but I suppose there could be other terms that better describe it. If she had a case for fraud this would be in criminal court, not civil court. That would be like finding out the CFO of Chase was padding his expense account so they try to kill off Chase. I don't see how it's anything like that. I am sure you don't because the NRA really ****es you off and you don't care whether this is fair or not. Why in the **** do you care what happened to the money anyway? You never gave them any. So illegal activity of any kind is fine with you as long as you aren't directly affected by it? That's an interesting position. If this is illegal activity indict them. Thanks for the heads up. I suppose someone should let her know. |
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