On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

--

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...
maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.
So we all must be pretty dumb. What went over our heads?? Must have
been a post from someone in my looney bin that I didn't see??

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.
I thought the "whoosh"was in response to my suggestion to use a GFCI
outlet ungrounded. That's the way the thread was structured.

Clare Snyder writes:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non–grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked “No Equipment Ground.” An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.
I thought the "whoosh"was in response to my suggestion to use a GFCI
outlet ungrounded. That's the way the thread was structured.

it was obvious, to me, whom he wrote in reply, that his (DPB) comment was sarcasm; particularly
given his past posting history which exhibits an understanding of
electrical systems.

Of course then Fretwell goes way over the top by comparing cutting off the
grounding pin to a world-wide pandemic. What an idiot.

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 17:51:05 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Clare Snyder writes:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of them
predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...

maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.
I thought the "whoosh"was in response to my suggestion to use a GFCI
outlet ungrounded. That's the way the thread was structured.

it was obvious, to me, whom he wrote in reply, that his (DPB) comment was sarcasm; particularly
given his past posting history which exhibits an understanding of
electrical systems.

Of course then Fretwell goes way over the top by comparing cutting off the
grounding pin to a world-wide pandemic. What an idiot.

Dead is dead.

Scott Lurndal used his or her keyboard to write :
Clare Snyder writes:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of
them predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...
maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.
I thought the "whoosh"was in response to my suggestion to use a GFCI
outlet ungrounded. That's the way the thread was structured.

it was obvious, to me, whom he wrote in reply, that his (DPB) comment was
sarcasm; particularly given his past posting history which exhibits an
understanding of electrical systems.

Of course then Fretwell goes way over the top by comparing cutting off the
grounding pin to a world-wide pandemic. What an idiot.

Yes, an absolutely groundless comparison.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-4, FromTheRafters wrote:
Scott Lurndal used his or her keyboard to write :
Clare Snyder writes:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:04:33 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:57:44 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 28 Apr 2020 21:15:16 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 19:39:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/28/2020 3:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:17:21 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 7:57 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:48:28 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 4/27/2020 12:04 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
...

He's using an ancient adapter for non-grounded circuits. Many of
them predate the wide neutral blade.

The proper solution is to not use those adapters.

Yeah, just cut off the ground prong instead...

Or just replacethe outlet - replace with a GFCI if there is no ground
available and document it as required by code


whooosh...

Sounds like a plumber commenting on electric work.
Clare is right.

406.4(D)(2)(b) A non€“grounding-type receptacle(s) shall be permitted
to be replaced with a ground-fault circuit interrupter-type
of receptacle(s). These receptacles or their cover plates shall be
marked €œNo Equipment Ground.€� An equipment grounding
conductor shall not be connected from the ground-fault
circuit-interrupter-type receptacle to any outlet supplied from
the ground-fault circuit-interrupter receptacle.

double-whoosh...

Don't get a snide remark, do you...
maybe stoopid - but I don't get the "whoosh". Doesn't look like
Fretwell does either - anyone else???

Since you ask: FTR, "whoosh" means "the previous remark went over your
head", and made a whoosh sound as it went quickly over your head.

I guess it's usually used when the previous remark was satire or sarcasm
that was taken seriously.

Maybe we don't think telling people in a home repair group to cut off
the ground pin is funny.
It will be far more dangerous than this virus is for most people.
I thought the "whoosh"was in response to my suggestion to use a GFCI
outlet ungrounded. That's the way the thread was structured.

it was obvious, to me, whom he wrote in reply, that his (DPB) comment was
sarcasm; particularly given his past posting history which exhibits an
understanding of electrical systems.

Of course then Fretwell goes way over the top by comparing cutting off the
grounding pin to a world-wide pandemic. What an idiot.

Yes, an absolutely groundless comparison.

I am shocked that you think so.