Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

In space the average is 0 mbar

On 06/02/2020 14:11, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen
some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

In space the average is 0 mbar

The same as the pressure between your ears.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:11:13 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

In space the average is 0 mbar

Barometers tend to be used on the ground.

So how come the bar was taken to be slightly different to mean sea level pressure? Was it measured inaccurately when they invented it?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:37:11 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:11:13 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

In space the average is 0 mbar

Barometers tend to be used on the ground.

So how come the bar was taken to be slightly different to mean sea level pressure? Was it measured inaccurately when they invented it?

Maybe seal levels are dropping ;-)

I am sure Greta would say the air is heavier because of the CO2.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:10:43 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:37:11 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:11:13 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

In space the average is 0 mbar

Barometers tend to be used on the ground.

So how come the bar was taken to be slightly different to mean sea level pressure? Was it measured inaccurately when they invented it?

Maybe seal levels are dropping ;-)

Too many clubs.

I am sure Greta would say the air is heavier because of the CO2.

Oh those poor plants having an easier time breathing now we've unlocked the CO2 that used to be in the air anyway!

In article ,
says...

So how come the bar was taken to be slightly different to mean sea level pressure? Was it measured inaccurately when they invented it?

Maybe seal levels are dropping ;-)

I am sure Greta would say the air is heavier because of the CO2.



Many measurments have changed over the years. The standard meter or
foot or some length was changed not long ago and it was enough that the
US east to west coast changed by almost 20 feet.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:04:28 -0000, Ralph Mowery wrote:

In article ,
says...

So how come the bar was taken to be slightly different to mean sea level pressure? Was it measured inaccurately when they invented it?

Maybe seal levels are dropping ;-)

I am sure Greta would say the air is heavier because of the CO2.

Many measurments have changed over the years. The standard meter or
foot or some length was changed not long ago and it was enough that the
US east to west coast changed by almost 20 feet.

Wouldn't you get that much by sea erosion anyway?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:10:43 -0500, , the disgusting,
troll-feeding senile Yankietard, blathered again:


Maybe seal levels are dropping ;-)

I am sure Greta would say the air is heavier because of the CO2.

I am sure the Scottish ****** will have another wank after your post, you
idiotic troll-feeding senile Yankietard!

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:11:13 +0000, Andy Bennet, another troll-feeding senile
idiot, blathered:


In space the average is 0 mbar

On average he's a clinically insane trolling ****** and you are a senile
troll-feeding idiot!

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Phwoar! ;-)

All mine have both measurements. It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean a rotatable dial. I've got an app on my phone that does it, it'll be interesting to see if it changes the centre position with altitude, 1010 mbar is about right for here.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:49:36 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean
a rotatable dial.

Or an adjustment screw on the back for an aneroid barometer or a
moveable linear scale on a mercury one. About 50 mb of adjustment
needed here.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:21:22 +0000 (GMT), Dave Liquorice, another absolutely
brain dead, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered:


Or an adjustment screw

You two idiots need a few screws adjusted inside your stupid heads!

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 16:21:22 -0000, Dave Liquorice wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:49:36 -0000, Commander Kinsey wrote:

It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean
a rotatable dial.

Or an adjustment screw on the back for an aneroid barometer or a
moveable linear scale on a mercury one. About 50 mb of adjustment
needed here.

Yes it could be easily done. Although.... should it be done? If you're at a higher altitude, you have lower pressure, but you also have more cloud. Clouds tend to hang around mountains.

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 9:49:40 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Phwoar! ;-)

All mine have both measurements. It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean a rotatable dial.

Dial? My barometer is a column of mercury.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:31:23 -0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 9:49:40 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Phwoar! ;-)

All mine have both measurements. It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean a rotatable dial.

Dial? My barometer is a column of mercury.

My god how old is that?

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 3:37:29 PM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 20:31:23 -0000, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 9:49:40 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Phwoar! ;-)

All mine have both measurements. It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean a rotatable dial.

Dial? My barometer is a column of mercury.

My god how old is that?

I'm not sure. My husband salvaged it from work, and the building it was
in dates back to the 1950s.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2/6/20 3:31 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Thursday, February 6, 2020 at 9:49:40 AM UTC-5, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Phwoar! ;-)

All mine have both measurements. It would appear it should be corrected for altitude, but that would mean a rotatable dial.

Dial? My barometer is a column of mercury.

Cindy Hamilton


I guess that rules out Bluetooth then.

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 12:31:23 -0800 (PST), Cindy Hamilton, the braindamaged,
notorious, troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Dial? My barometer is a column of mercury.

Cindy Hamilton

Is it, you demented troll-feeding senile Yankie asshole? BG

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:27:40 +0000 (GMT), charles, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


On mine it's 29.5 inches

And yet another senile idiot came hopping along who couldn't resist taking
the clinically insane attention whore's latest idiotic bait! tsk

On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

SteveW

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar was
average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the central
reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some newer
ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

In article op.0fk362g1wdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen
some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

y barometer has the name of an old established Edinburgh company on the
dial.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 06/02/2020 21:34, charles wrote:
In article op.0fk362g1wdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen
some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

y barometer has the name of an old established Edinburgh company on the
dial.

And ours has the name of a Brighton company on it - but not on the dial,
as it hasn't got one, being a traditional mercury barometer.

SteveW

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:34:21 -0000, charles wrote:

In article op.0fk362g1wdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen
some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

y barometer has the name of an old established Edinburgh company on the
dial.

Yes a long long long time ago, the UK used the imperial ****. We moved on. America didn't.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:34:21 +0000 (GMT), charles, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding senile asshole, blathered:


y barometer has the name of an old established Edinburgh company on the
dial.

Are you sure, you demented senile sucker of troll cock?

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:
On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000
mbar was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as
the central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've
seen some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

**** off Hucker.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:35:45 -0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 21:07:40 -0000, Steve Walker
wrote:
On 06/02/2020 14:27, charles wrote:
In article op.0fkjut2bwdg98l@glass,
Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000
mbar was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as
the central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've
seen some newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

On mine it's 29.5 inches

Snap.

Are you one of those Merkins?

**** off Hucker.

**** off Pound Her.

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:45:52 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.

So pot luck or something inaccurate in the past? The history of it sounds interesting.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:45:52 -0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.

Religious folk would say this was a 1% error made by god :-)
So he isn't infallible!

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:45:52 +0000, Andy Bennet, the demented, troll-feeding,
senile asshole, blathered again:


A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.

YOU are equivalent to a troll-feeding senile asshole, senile twit! tsk

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:45:52 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.
We use mm/hg

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:15:19 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:45:52 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.
We use mm/hg

Why do you deliberately make the maths more difficult? Use stuff with multiples of 10.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:39:45 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:15:19 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:45:52 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.
We use mm/hg

Why do you deliberately make the maths more difficult? Use stuff with multiples of 10.

That is metric. What did you have in mind?

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:45:53 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:39:45 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 17:15:19 -0000, wrote:

On Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:45:52 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote:

On 06/02/2020 14:00, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why do barometers have different centre readings? I thought 1000 mbar
was average, as that's what barometers always used to have as the
central reading ("change"), but Wikipedia says it's 1013. I've seen some
newer ones with 1010 as the centre.

A bar is not defined as 1 atmosphere (average) pressure. Just happens to
be close (within 1% of it).
1 bar is equivalent to 100 kPa where 1 Pa (Pascal) is a defined SI unit
pressure of 1 Newton per m2.
We use mm/hg

Why do you deliberately make the maths more difficult? Use stuff with multiples of 10.

That is metric. What did you have in mind?

Metric.

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 12:45:53 -0500, , the disgusting,
troll-feeding senile Yankietard, blathered again:


That is metric. What did you have in mind?

He had YOU sucking him off one more time in mind, troll-feeding senile
idiot! tsk

On Thu, 06 Feb 2020 14:00:19 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven ******","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH more of the PROVEN clinically insane sociopathic attention whore's
latest attention-baiting bull**** unread again

--
about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL)
trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
MID:

--
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"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
stupidity."
MID:

--
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You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
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MID:

--
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