My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 2:15:42 PM UTC-4, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

A day? Maybe 30 minutes, if you're lucky and the battery is in
reasonable shape, depending on what loads are on, eg headlights, etc.





Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?

I've seen videos of cars on fire from trying to drive through salt water.
It can short the alternator or anything else that's available. I guess
you're brother learned an expensive lesson.

On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles. If you know
is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the fuel
pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky. I know of a guy in
Orlando that water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 14:15:34 -0400, micky
wrote:

My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?

Salt water tends to short out the whole electrical system and it would
kill a battery pretty fast. My guess is that he also shorted out some
other stuff that stopped the car tho. Everything is electrical these
days.


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

I tend to call bull****.
Any actual increase in sea level would be millimeters in 2 years and
certainly not enough to flood streets. That area has always had
flooding problems along with Miami and a lot of other older
communities in the SE part of the state. It is not so much that the
sea level rose, the land is subsiding. That is what happens when you
build on swamp land. New Orleans has the same issue. They also have a
lot of new development that disrupts the water flow. Since the water
table is only down a few feet, not much will soak in anyway.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:14:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles. If you know
is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the fuel
pump, lights, computer.

If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky. I know of a guy in
Orlando that water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

3 weeks. Wow.

I guess the manufacturer's warranty doens't cover that. :-)

I told him about that sort of thing. But doesn't the water have to be up
at the air intake, a foot higher than the oil pan, to get sucked in.
Even my brother woudln't try to drive through that. Well at least on
Ocean Drive which is almost flat. If it were the bottom of a hill, I
don't know what he woudl have done.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 14:15:34 -0400, micky
wrote:

My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.
He got his ignition wet, and by the time they replaced the
alternator it had dried out.

On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 16:17:00 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 4 Sep 2019 15:14:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles. If you know
is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the fuel
pump, lights, computer.

If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky. I know of a guy in
Orlando that water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

3 weeks. Wow.

I guess the manufacturer's warranty doens't cover that. :-)

I told him about that sort of thing. But doesn't the water have to be up
at the air intake, a foot higher than the oil pan, to get sucked in.
Even my brother woudln't try to drive through that. Well at least on
Ocean Drive which is almost flat. If it were the bottom of a hill, I
don't know what he woudl have done.
Driving at any speed creates a "bow wave" that can force water into
an air inlet which is generally about headlight hight

On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:15:42 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
....
Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?
....

YES! Seawater is very corrosive and can "eat at" metals, etc. Same as salt on the roads in Winter rusts car bodies!

John Kuthe...

On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.Â* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.Â*Â* My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.Â* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.Â* If you know
is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the fuel
pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.Â* I know of a guy in
Orlando thatÂ* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

--
Why does everyone keep referring to politicians as leaders? They are
public servants- and many are pretty damn poor ones at that.

On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.Â* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.Â*Â* My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.Â* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.Â* If you
know is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the
fuel pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.Â* I know of a guy
in Orlando thatÂ* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago. I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've
had a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80. Great car and a super
value. Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.

On 9/5/19 9:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year,
there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.Â* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets
with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them
would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop
said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or
so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.Â*Â* My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.Â* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.Â* If you
know is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not
the fuel pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.Â* I know of a guy
in Orlando thatÂ* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago.Â* I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've
had a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80.Â* Great car and a super
value.Â* Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.

I'm driving a 2016 Toyota Avalon Limited that I bought a month or two
after the 2017s were out.

Best I could tell at the time, the only difference I could see between
it and the Lexus GS-350 was not having the steering wheel swing out of
the way on its own when you turned the engine off, a slightly less
fancied-up dashboard, a Lexus "L" on the trunk and the $16-17k that
stayed in my pocket vs. the dealer's ;-)

--
Why is it that the people who want more government control over your
life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:03:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.** My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.* If you
know is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the
fuel pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.* I know of a guy
in Orlando that* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago. I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've
had a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80. Great car and a super
value. Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.
+1++++
Same goes for it's sister brand KIA.
They are really up there with Toyota and Honda on quality - and have
them beat on features and style.

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:32:11 -0400, Wade Gattett
wrote:

On 9/5/19 9:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year,
there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets
with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them
would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop
said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or
so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.** My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.* If you
know is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not
the fuel pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.* I know of a guy
in Orlando that* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago.* I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've
had a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80.* Great car and a super
value.* Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.

I'm driving a 2016 Toyota Avalon Limited that I bought a month or two
after the 2017s were out.

Best I could tell at the time, the only difference I could see between
it and the Lexus GS-350 was not having the steering wheel swing out of
the way on its own when you turned the engine off, a slightly less
fancied-up dashboard, a Lexus "L" on the trunk and the $16-17k that
stayed in my pocket vs. the dealer's ;-)
Correct - basically fills the position of the old Crown and Cressida
models of years past. Very high-content and high quality vehicles -
second to none in fit and finish too - - -

On 9/5/19 1:51 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:32:11 -0400, Wade Gattett
wrote:

On 9/5/19 9:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year,
there is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street.Â* In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets
with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them
would be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop
said he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or
so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida.Â*Â* My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand.Â* I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles.Â* If you
know is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not
the fuel pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky.Â* I know of a guy
in Orlando thatÂ* water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago.Â* I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've
had a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80.Â* Great car and a super
value.Â* Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.

I'm driving a 2016 Toyota Avalon Limited that I bought a month or two
after the 2017s were out.

Best I could tell at the time, the only difference I could see between
it and the Lexus GS-350 was not having the steering wheel swing out of
the way on its own when you turned the engine off, a slightly less
fancied-up dashboard, a Lexus "L" on the trunk and the $16-17k that
stayed in my pocket vs. the dealer's ;-)
Correct - basically fills the position of the old Crown and Cressida
models of years past. Very high-content and high quality vehicles -
second to none in fit and finish too - - -


Yeah, the Limited was the top Avalon trim line in 2016. It had every
bell and whistle Toyota offered.

Overall, I like the car alot. My only gripes a
1. The suspension doesn't do all that good a job soaking up impacts from
poor pavement/shallow potholes.

2. It took Toyota three years to issue a map update for the nav system-
which ain't all that great to start with. My $79 Garmin from Costco is
much better!

3. Toyota makes pretty good cars alright-- but their half-dozen
dealerships in my area all pretty much suck.

--
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 9/5/2019 8:34 AM, Wade Gattett wrote:
On 9/4/19 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/4/2019 2:15 PM, micky wrote:
My brother lives on a barrier island** and 3 or 4 times a year, there
is
a king tide that floods not only the beach but the main north/south
street. In many parts of the island, there are no parallel streets
with
which to bypass the flooded one (and come to think, all of them would
be
flooded too.)

One time years ago he tried to drive through and his recollection is
that the car stalled right away and wouldn't start, and the shop said
he
needed a new alternator, and after they replaced that things worked.

Shouldn't the battery have been enough to power the car for a day or
so?

Or is it possible with salt-water to short the alternator so that the
battery won't run the car at all?


**Hollywood, Florida. My brother is no liberal, probably a
conservative, but he says that he's seen global warming first hand. I
don't think the street flooded at all the first years they lived there,
certainly not as often.

Had an alternator go out and I got just a couple of miles. If you know
is dies you can shut down the heater blower and stuff but not the fuel
pump, lights, computer.
If the alternator is the only problem, he got lucky. I know of a guy in
Orlando that water locked the engine on his 3 week old 50k Genesis.

I looked at a Genesis- not a bad car overall.

But couldn't bring myself to shell out $50 for a "luxury car" with a
Hyundai badge on the back...

They took the H off a few years ago. I'm on my second one and love it.
Used to laugh at people buying Hyundai until I drove one in 2006. I've had
a few Sonata, a 2015 Genesis and now a G80. Great car and a super value.
Far superior in quality to any GM, VW, or Mercedes I ever had.

Yeah, I got my Getz in 2006. Not even one warranty problem and
only the one failure of anything since then and even that might
not have failed, havent got off my arse and replaced that yet.

On Fri, 6 Sep 2019 13:40:45 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent

Yeah, I got my Getz in

Shove your Getz, like all your other stuff, up yours, trolling senile
asshole!

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"You have mentioned Alexa in a couple of threads recently, it is not a real
woman you know even if it is the only thing with a Female name that stays
around around while you talk it to it.
Poor sad git who has to resort to Usenet and electronic devices for any
interaction as all real people run a mile to get away from from you boring
them to death."
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