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This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.

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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
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This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


Ain't that the truth. Hot springs in the desert are from the land.
Hike in and enjoy.

P.S. Buy more guns and ammo. Polish with pork fat grease. Bleeding
heart liberals are funny creatures, if you haven't noticed yet.
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This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spasÂ* and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its
just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the
hell
alone.


You are being very disrespectful of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the
Green New Deal. It will be your fault if the world ends next week from
the global warming you cause.
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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.

I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively

If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.
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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
om wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.

I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively

If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.


I made my own spa controller and the spa police never showed up.


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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.

I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively

If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.



Blame it on stupid juries.

The manufacturer was sued, the jury (likely democrats) awarded a huge settlement to the plaintiff and as a result the manufacturer lowered the upper limit on their temp controller.

That said, I'd bet the plaintiff was a democrat looking for a quick payday.
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On Sunday, February 17, 2019 at 11:36:36 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.


Actually it was a few dummies getting drunk and passing out in them.
That lead the GOVERNMENT, to coerce the industry into coming up with
a temp limit of their own, under the threat that if they didn't, the
govt would.





I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively


That's true, but having big govt get involved in things like this,
forcing industry to do what they think is right, is exactly what libs do.
And that is how it happened in this case. So now a guy who likes his
hot tub two degrees hotter, is screwed.




If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.


He didn't blame everything on libs, but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.
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On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 6:39:46 AM UTC-5, devnull wrote:
On 2/17/19 11:36 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.

I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively

If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.



Blame it on stupid juries.

The manufacturer was sued, the jury (likely democrats) awarded a huge settlement to the plaintiff and as a result the manufacturer lowered the upper limit on their temp controller.

That said, I'd bet the plaintiff was a democrat looking for a quick payday.


It wasn't one manufacturer, it was ALL hot tub manufacturers, coerced by
big govt.


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On 2/18/19 8:28 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 6:39:46 AM UTC-5, devnull wrote:
On 2/17/19 11:36 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.

It's just as or more likely someone got scalded at the old temperature,
perhaps a child who I'm told have more sensitive skin, and then sued one
of the makers of these things so they started shipping them with the
thermostat turned down.

I don't think trying to avoid lawsuits and maximize profits is the
domain of liberal do gooders. Certainly not exclusively

If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.



Blame it on stupid juries.

The manufacturer was sued, the jury (likely democrats) awarded a huge settlement to the plaintiff and as a result the manufacturer lowered the upper limit on their temp controller.

That said, I'd bet the plaintiff was a democrat looking for a quick payday.


It wasn't one manufacturer, it was ALL hot tub manufacturers, coerced by
big govt.




Wrong, it was a lawsuit filed by Mothers Against Hot Tubs.

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If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.


He didn't blame everything on libs,



Not today, but I bet he does.


but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.




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On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 00:44:08 GMT, panman
m wrote:

This is ridiculous , the nanny state in action. I have owned 2 hot springs
spas and used them twice a day at 108 degrees for 30 years. I recently
purchased a new HS for $12 k, and was very disappointed to find this
restriction on temp . I use the tub for therapy, not sitting , drinking
alcohol partying listening to music. I will modify the temp sensors. Its just
like all these liberal do gooders want to control everbody, leave me the hell
alone.


Ain't that the truth. Hot springs in the desert are from the land.
Hike in and enjoy.

P.S. Buy more guns and ammo. Polish with pork fat grease. Bleeding
heart liberals are funny creatures, if you haven't noticed yet.


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On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 05:27:15 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.

He didn't blame everything on libs,



Not today, but I bet he does.


but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.


It is a hallmark of libs to want big govt to rush in to fix
anything and everything, usually with another law. A good example of that


It's a hallmark of conservatives to not care how much people are
suffering or being cheated, if they can find any little restriction on
anyone's life, especially their own, to rationalize doing nothing.

If one left it up to them, "promote the general welfare" would mean
nothing.


is the recent Smollett fake MAGA racist attack. I smelled a rat from the very


Now, you're changing the subject. Isn't that what you criticized Stumpie
for? You're getting more and more like him.

beginning, starting with that Smollett had barely a small scratch on his
cheek from his alleged racist attack. But Corey Booker bought it hook, line
and sinker. He droned on about the "attack" being a modern day lynching
and called for a new federal law, to make "lynching", a hate crime. ROFL
Now we know it was all a faked, BS, despicable publicity stunt by MulletHead.
Has Fox fired that AH yet?


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On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55:33 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:15:09 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 05:27:15 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud your
thinking.

He didn't blame everything on libs,


Not today, but I bet he does.


but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.


It is a hallmark of libs to want big govt to rush in to fix
anything and everything, usually with another law. A good example of that


It's a hallmark of conservatives to not care how much people are
suffering or being cheated, if they can find any little restriction on
anyone's life, especially their own, to rationalize doing nothing.


Not true. We just know that govt can't solve all problems and that big govt
itself is a serious threat to liberty. The libs standard answer is to see
something that isn't working perfectly and to assume that govt intervention
will make it better. They ignore all the failures, all the govt waste
and incompetence around them.






If one left it up to them, "promote the general welfare" would mean
nothing.


If it's the Constitution that you're referring to, it doesn't say to
"promote". It says to provide for the common defense and general welfare
of the United States. And clearly the framers didn't intend that to mean
what you libs have created, because they had no welfare programs for the
first 150 years or so. It wasn't until the 60s that the modern welfare
state came into full bloom. And just look at the results. Black out of
wedlock births went from 5% in 1960 to 70% today. Teh govt created generations
of single family mothers living on welfare. Job well done.

The general welfare is best provided for by things like a robust, growing
economy, where people keep most of their own money that they earn. Libs
have perverted that into now calling for an income for everyone, even those
that choose not to work. That's what that darling of your party Cortez
is calling for and a lot of your party's senior politicians have lined up
behind her, including all the presidential wannabees. Which shows how
bankrupt the Democratic Party is today. They stand for nothing but fluff
and spectacle, whoring for a piece of the news clip, to be in the spotlight
with that 28 year old imbecile, who has no qualifications whatever.





is the recent Smollett fake MAGA racist attack. I smelled a rat from the very


Now, you're changing the subject. Isn't that what you criticized Stumpie
for? You're getting more and more like him.


That's another classic. Accusing me of changing the subject, which I did not,
while introducing "Stumpie" into the mix. You make this comment just
ahead of the relevant part
of the rest of what I posted, which was that a big lib response to the
fake, phony Smollett attack that looked very dubious from the start, was
to call for yet another federal law to make lynching a hate crime. Cite
for us all the people who have been lynched in the USA in say the last
decade, whereby a new law is required? Do you think we need another law?





beginning, starting with that Smollett had barely a small scratch on his
cheek from his alleged racist attack. But Corey Booker bought it hook, line
and sinker. He droned on about the "attack" being a modern day lynching
and called for a new federal law, to make "lynching", a hate crime. ROFL
Now we know it was all a faked, BS, despicable publicity stunt by MulletHead.
Has Fox fired that AH yet?


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On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55:33 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:15:09 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 05:27:15 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:


If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to cloud
your
thinking.

He didn't blame everything on libs,


Not today, but I bet he does.


but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg
trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.

It is a hallmark of libs to want big govt to rush in to fix
anything and everything, usually with another law. A good example of
that


It's a hallmark of conservatives to not care how much people are
suffering or being cheated, if they can find any little restriction on
anyone's life, especially their own, to rationalize doing nothing.


Not true. We just know that govt can't solve all problems


Neither can anything else.

and that big govt itself is a serious threat to liberty.


Bull****.

The libs standard answer is to see something that isn't
working perfectly and to assume that govt intervention
will make it better. They ignore all the failures, all the
govt waste and incompetence around them.


Just as true of non govt.

If one left it up to them, "promote the general welfare" would mean
nothing.


If it's the Constitution that you're referring to, it doesn't say to
"promote". It says to provide for the common defense and general welfare
of the United States. And clearly the framers didn't intend that to mean
what you libs have created, because they had no welfare programs for the
first 150 years or so. It wasn't until the 60s that the modern welfare
state came into full bloom. And just look at the results. Black out of
wedlock births went from 5% in 1960 to 70% today. Teh govt created
generations
of single family mothers living on welfare. Job well done.

The general welfare is best provided for by things like a robust, growing
economy, where people keep most of their own money that they earn.


Easier said than done much of the time.

Libs have perverted that into now calling for an income
for everyone, even those that choose not to work.


Not all of them are into that approach.

That's what that darling of your party Cortez is calling
for and a lot of your party's senior politicians have lined
up behind her, including all the presidential wannabees.


Thats a lie with all except Cortez.

Which shows how bankrupt the Democratic Party is today.
They stand for nothing but fluff and spectacle, whoring for
a piece of the news clip, to be in the spotlight with that
28 year old imbecile, who has no qualifications whatever.


Neither does Trump.

is the recent Smollett fake MAGA racist attack. I smelled a rat from
the very


Now, you're changing the subject. Isn't that what you criticized Stumpie
for? You're getting more and more like him.


That's another classic. Accusing me of changing the subject, which I did
not,
while introducing "Stumpie" into the mix. You make this comment just
ahead of the relevant part
of the rest of what I posted, which was that a big lib response to the
fake, phony Smollett attack that looked very dubious from the start, was
to call for yet another federal law to make lynching a hate crime. Cite
for us all the people who have been lynched in the USA in say the last
decade, whereby a new law is required? Do you think we need another law?





beginning, starting with that Smollett had barely a small scratch on his
cheek from his alleged racist attack. But Corey Booker bought it hook,
line
and sinker. He droned on about the "attack" being a modern day lynching
and called for a new federal law, to make "lynching", a hate crime.
ROFL
Now we know it was all a faked, BS, despicable publicity stunt by
MulletHead.
Has Fox fired that AH yet?


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On Tuesday, February 19, 2019 at 12:55:33 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 09:15:09 -0800 (PST), trader_4
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On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 11:02:08 AM UTC-5, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 18 Feb 2019 05:27:15 -0800 (PST),
trader_4
wrote:


If you want to blame everything on liberals, it's going to
cloud your
thinking.

He didn't blame everything on libs,


Not today, but I bet he does.


but this is a good example of lib thinking.
There are plenty of similar examples, like that moron Bloomberg
trying to take
the salt shakers off tables at restaurants.

It is a hallmark of libs to want big govt to rush in to fix
anything and everything, usually with another law.Â* A good example
of that

It's a hallmark of conservatives to not care how much people are
suffering or being cheated, if they can find any little restriction on
anyone's life, especially their own, to rationalize doing nothing.


Not true.Â* We just know that govt can't solve all problems


Neither can anything else.

and that big govt itself is a serious threat to liberty.


Bull****.

The libs standard answer is to see something that isn't
working perfectly and to assume that govt intervention
will make it better.Â*Â* They ignore all the failures, all the
govt waste and incompetence around them.


Just as true of non govt.

If one left it up to them, "promote the general welfare" would mean
nothing.


If it's the Constitution that you're referring to, it doesn't say to
"promote".Â* It says to provide for the common defense and general welfare
of the United States.Â* And clearly the framers didn't intend that to mean
what you libs have created, because they had no welfare programs for the
first 150 years or so.Â* It wasn't until the 60s that the modern welfare
state came into full bloom.Â* And just look at the results.Â* Black out of
wedlock births went from 5% in 1960 to 70% today. Teh govt created
generations
of single family mothers living on welfare.Â* Job well done.

The general welfare is best provided for by things like a robust, growing
economy, where people keep most of their own money that they earn.


Easier said than done much of the time.

Libs have perverted that into now calling for an income
for everyone, even those that choose not to work.


Not all of them are into that approach.

That's what that darling of your party Cortez is calling
for and a lot of your party's senior politicians have lined
up behind her, including all the presidential wannabees.


Thats a lie with all except Cortez.

Which shows how bankrupt the Democratic Party is today.
They stand for nothing but fluff and spectacle, whoring for
a piece of the news clip, to be in the spotlight with that
28 year old imbecile, who has no qualifications whatever.


Neither does Trump.

is the recent Smollett fake MAGA racist attack.Â* I smelled a rat
from the very

Now, you're changing the subject. Isn't that what you criticized Stumpie
for?Â* You're getting more and more like him.


That's another classic.Â* Accusing me of changing the subject, which I
did not,
while introducing "Stumpie" into the mix.Â* You make this comment just
ahead of the relevant part
of the rest of what I posted, which was that a big lib response to the
fake, phony Smollett attack that looked very dubious from the start, was
to call for yet another federal law to make lynching a hate crime.Â* Cite
for us all the people who have been lynched in the USA in say the last
decade, whereby a new law is required?Â* Do you think we need another law?





beginning, starting with that Smollett had barely a small scratch on
his
cheek from his alleged racist attack.Â* But Corey Booker bought it
hook, line
and sinker.Â* He droned on about the "attack" being a modern day
lynching
and called for a new federal law, to make "lynching", a hate crime.
ROFL
Now we know it was all a faked, BS, despicable publicity stunt by
MulletHead.
Has Fox fired that AH yet?



no it wasn't


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