Something I remember reading a few years ago, probably during the 2016
election campaign.

If migrants and border-crossers are forced to enter the US through
regular transportation corridors and check-points, the added inspection
required to find these people will horribly gum up the flow of
manufactured goods and hit all sorts of JIT trucking operations.

Hence they want migrants to continue to cross outside the regular corridors.

Now whether or not the democrats are being leaned on / pressured or
influenced more by manufacturerers and trucking companies to NOT build
the wall, for that reason, I don't know, but the Dem's don't talk about
that angle. They are consumed, as we know, by the social-justice angle
of interfering with what they think is the universal human right of
migration.

One thing the dem's did say is that the quantity of drugs flowing into
the US can only come from vehicular transport (ie not individual
migrants) - that is probably true. In which case the solution that
trump should propose is a vastly increased commercial inspection program
at the US - Mexico border. Where the number of inspection lanes and
staffing are increased to find the drugs (and the stow-away migrants)
without impacting legit transport.

Trump should propse this:

a) build the wall
b) inspect every vehicle for migrants (which will increase because of A)
c) because of (b) you will increase facility inspection capability
d) you will intercept more drugs because of (b) and solve that problem
also

That's what the US needs at the border.

But sadly, it also facilitates something that SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN
THE FIRST PLACE - which is the US/Canada/Mexico NAFTA/NAFTA-2.

Mexico has shown that it does not deserve the right to free commerce and
access to US/Canada. It does not protect its border with the US and it
does not deserve to siphon manufacturing jobs from US/Canada.

NAFTA is what gave the US it's drug problem. Because NAFTA allowed US
manufacturing to become dependent on an open border with Mexico by
relocating facilities there. Once that was done, goods must flow.
Nothing must get in the way of goods. Car parts, etc. Border security
and inspection must not be allowed to interfere. US politicians must
comply with the dictates of US companies and their lobbyists and their
campaign contributions.

On 1/9/2019 5:05 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Something I remember reading a few years ago, probably during the 2016
election campaign.

If migrants and border-crossers are forced to enter the US through
regular transportation corridors and check-points, the added inspection
required to find these people will horribly gum up the flow of
manufactured goods and hit all sorts of JIT trucking operations.

Hence they want migrants to continue to cross outside the regular
corridors.

Now whether or not the democrats are being leaned on / pressured or
influenced more by manufacturerers and trucking companies to NOT build
the wall, for that reason, I don't know, but the Dem's don't talk about
that angle.Â* They are consumed, as we know, by the social-justice angle
of interfering with what they think is the universal human right of
migration.

One thing the dem's did say is that the quantity of drugs flowing into
the US can only come from vehicular transport (ie not individual
migrants) - that is probably true.Â* In which case the solution that
trump should propose is a vastly increased commercial inspection program
at the US - Mexico border.Â* Where the number of inspection lanes and
staffing are increased to find the drugs (and the stow-away migrants)
without impacting legit transport.

Trump should propse this:

a) build the wall
b) inspect every vehicle for migrants (which will increase because of A)
c) because of (b) you will increase facility inspection capability
d) you will intercept more drugs because of (b) and solve that problem
Â*Â* also

That's what the US needs at the border.

But sadly, it also facilitates something that SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN
THE FIRST PLACE - which is the US/Canada/Mexico NAFTA/NAFTA-2.

Mexico has shown that it does not deserve the right to free commerce and
access to US/Canada.Â* It does not protect its border with the US and it
does not deserve to siphon manufacturing jobs from US/Canada.

NAFTA is what gave the US it's drug problem.Â* Because NAFTA allowed US
manufacturing to become dependent on an open border with Mexico by
relocating facilities there.Â* Once that was done, goods must flow.
Nothing must get in the way of goods.Â* Car parts, etc.Â* Border security
and inspection must not be allowed to interfere.Â* US politicians must
comply with the dictates of US companies and their lobbyists and their
campaign contributions.

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants. When employers start getting long prison sentences, the
problem will be over.

Instead, they choose to whip up hysteria about a nonexistant attack of
women, fathers, and children looking for a safe life.


No wall is needed.

While unnecessarily full-quoting my previoud post, Bob F wrote:

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants. When employers start getting long prison sentences, the
problem will be over.

Why did you full-quote my entire post without responding to anything I said?

And no, trump can't enforce stuff like blocking hiring illegal aliens
when your stupid-ass states are beoming "sanctuary states" and enacting
their own laws making it illegal for employers to inform ICE of said
people or even inquiring about the legal status of prospective employees.

Instead, they choose to whip up hysteria about a nonexistant attack of
women, fathers, and children looking for a safe life.

The flow of millions of third-world hispanics into your country is
turing the USA into a ****-hole. Sorry but it's true. I don't know why
you don't see that.

No wall is needed.

Not if you are intent on transforming your country into a third-world
****-hole. I guess you don't mind that.

"Bob F" wrote in message
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On 1/9/2019 5:05 PM, Home Guy wrote:
Something I remember reading a few years ago, probably during the 2016
election campaign.

If migrants and border-crossers are forced to enter the US through
regular transportation corridors and check-points, the added inspection
required to find these people will horribly gum up the flow of
manufactured goods and hit all sorts of JIT trucking operations.

Hence they want migrants to continue to cross outside the regular
corridors.

Now whether or not the democrats are being leaned on / pressured or
influenced more by manufacturerers and trucking companies to NOT build
the wall, for that reason, I don't know, but the Dem's don't talk about
that angle. They are consumed, as we know, by the social-justice angle
of interfering with what they think is the universal human right of
migration.

One thing the dem's did say is that the quantity of drugs flowing into
the US can only come from vehicular transport (ie not individual
migrants) - that is probably true. In which case the solution that trump
should propose is a vastly increased commercial inspection program at the
US - Mexico border. Where the number of inspection lanes and staffing
are increased to find the drugs (and the stow-away migrants) without
impacting legit transport.

Trump should propse this:

a) build the wall
b) inspect every vehicle for migrants (which will increase because of A)
c) because of (b) you will increase facility inspection capability
d) you will intercept more drugs because of (b) and solve that problem
also

That's what the US needs at the border.

But sadly, it also facilitates something that SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN
THE FIRST PLACE - which is the US/Canada/Mexico NAFTA/NAFTA-2.

Mexico has shown that it does not deserve the right to free commerce and
access to US/Canada. It does not protect its border with the US and it
does not deserve to siphon manufacturing jobs from US/Canada.

NAFTA is what gave the US it's drug problem. Because NAFTA allowed US
manufacturing to become dependent on an open border with Mexico by
relocating facilities there. Once that was done, goods must flow.
Nothing must get in the way of goods. Car parts, etc. Border security
and inspection must not be allowed to interfere. US politicians must
comply with the dictates of US companies and their lobbyists and their
campaign contributions.

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants.

Easier said than done, particularly with employers who will go
broke if they can't any native to work for them for whatever reason.

When employers start getting long prison sentences,

Thats not going to happen.

the problem will be over.

Not when they go bust without that labor. Some will still risk it with an
illegal.

Instead, they choose to whip up hysteria about a nonexistant attack of
women, fathers, and children looking for a safe life.

Hardly non existent given that there are 11M of them in the country.

No wall is needed.

Your approach would cost more than the double fence.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 8:03:07 PM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
Something I remember reading a few years ago, probably during the 2016
election campaign.

If migrants and border-crossers are forced to enter the US through
regular transportation corridors and check-points, the added inspection
required to find these people will horribly gum up the flow of
manufactured goods and hit all sorts of JIT trucking operations.

No logical reason that would happen. The 2,000 a day that are
crossing illegally, for the most part, won't present themselves at a
point-of-entry, because they know they won't be allowed in.





Hence they want migrants to continue to cross outside the regular corridors.

Now whether or not the democrats are being leaned on / pressured or
influenced more by manufacturerers and trucking companies to NOT build
the wall, for that reason, I don't know, but the Dem's don't talk about
that angle. They are consumed, as we know, by the social-justice angle
of interfering with what they think is the universal human right of
migration.

One thing the dem's did say is that the quantity of drugs flowing into
the US can only come from vehicular transport (ie not individual
migrants) - that is probably true. In which case the solution that
trump should propose is a vastly increased commercial inspection program
at the US - Mexico border. Where the number of inspection lanes and
staffing are increased to find the drugs (and the stow-away migrants)
without impacting legit transport.

Trump should propse this:

a) build the wall
b) inspect every vehicle for migrants (which will increase because of A)
c) because of (b) you will increase facility inspection capability
d) you will intercept more drugs because of (b) and solve that problem
also

That's what the US needs at the border.

I agree, something along those lines is very reasonable. Trump would
do all of the above and more. It's the Democrats that want open borders
and refuse to do anything. They've gone so extreme whacko, that according
to their leaders, a wall is now "immoral".





But sadly, it also facilitates something that SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN
THE FIRST PLACE - which is the US/Canada/Mexico NAFTA/NAFTA-2.

Mexico has shown that it does not deserve the right to free commerce and
access to US/Canada. It does not protect its border with the US

It's not Mexico's job to secure their border and keep people in.
But I would agree that they certainly could have stopped that caravan
from entering their southern border, could have stopped them,
detained them, deported them as they openly traveled across Mexico.



and it
does not deserve to siphon manufacturing jobs from US/Canada.

NAFTA is what gave the US it's drug problem.

Pure nonsense. We have had a big drug problem for 50 years. And
today a lot of that problem is with abuse of prescription drugs.
To try to tie the drug problem to illegal aliens and immigration
makes little sense.




Because NAFTA allowed US
manufacturing to become dependent on an open border with Mexico by
relocating facilities there.

It doesn't depend on an open border, the trade is through legal
entry points where inspections take place.




Once that was done, goods must flow.
Nothing must get in the way of goods. Car parts, etc. Border security
and inspection must not be allowed to interfere. US politicians must
comply with the dictates of US companies and their lobbyists and their
campaign contributions.

Sounds like you think countries should just cut themselves off completely
from the rest of the world. That's what you'd have to do, because drugs
don't only flow here from Mexico via the southern border. They also
arrive via boat, airplane, human couriers, even subs. If you somehow magically
sealed the MExican border, cut off trade, the drugs would still mostly get
here via other means.

On Wednesday, January 9, 2019 at 10:07:01 PM UTC-5, Home Guy wrote:
While unnecessarily full-quoting my previoud post, Bob F wrote:

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants. When employers start getting long prison sentences, the
problem will be over.

Why did you full-quote my entire post without responding to anything I said?


It's what libs do. They can't compete in the arena of ideas, they have to
fall back on the party talking points.

On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 22:09:11 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

While unnecessarily full-quoting my previoud post, Bob F wrote:

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants. When employers start getting long prison sentences, the
problem will be over.

Why did you full-quote my entire post without responding to anything I said?

And no, trump can't enforce stuff like blocking hiring illegal aliens
when your stupid-ass states are beoming "sanctuary states" and enacting
their own laws making it illegal for employers to inform ICE of said
people or even inquiring about the legal status of prospective employees.

Instead, they choose to whip up hysteria about a nonexistant attack of
women, fathers, and children looking for a safe life.

The flow of millions of third-world hispanics into your country is
turing the USA into a ****-hole. Sorry but it's true. I don't know why
you don't see that.

No wall is needed.

Not if you are intent on transforming your country into a third-world
****-hole. I guess you don't mind that.
Too late.

On 1/10/2019 11:53 AM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 22:09:11 -0500, Home Guy wrote:

While unnecessarily full-quoting my previoud post, Bob F wrote:

If trump and his Republican cohorts want to end illegal immigration, all
they have to do is start enforcing the laws against HIRING undocumented
immigrants. When employers start getting long prison sentences, the
problem will be over.
Why did you full-quote my entire post without responding to anything I said?

And no, trump can't enforce stuff like blocking hiring illegal aliens
when your stupid-ass states are beoming "sanctuary states" and enacting
their own laws making it illegal for employers to inform ICE of said
people or even inquiring about the legal status of prospective employees.

Instead, they choose to whip up hysteria about a nonexistant attack of
women, fathers, and children looking for a safe life.
The flow of millions of third-world hispanics into your country is
turing the USA into a ****-hole. Sorry but it's true. I don't know why
you don't see that.

No wall is needed.
Not if you are intent on transforming your country into a third-world
****-hole. I guess you don't mind that.
Too late.

Yah, we need to build a north wall to keep our socialist frenchtard neighbors out too.Â* ;-)