Does your OUT OF STATE vehicle (car, mc, truck) have a 49 or 50-state
sticker?

There is some disagreement on the Android/Apple newsgroups related to the
proposed 5-year retroactive California texting tax where someone brought up
the fact that they "thought" you could register a *new* out of state car in
California, that you bought with fewer than 7,500 miles on the odometer.

According to this reference, you can NEVER register it in California
(if they _know_ you bought it with fewer than 7,500 miles, that is):
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

Everything boils down to what the *sticker* says.
If the sticker does not have (literally) the word California, then it's a
goner. You can _never_ register it in California.

The sticker is all they care about (it can pass emissions, and it will, but
that's not what they care about).

Since I only have California vehicles, I want to ask others out there.

Does YOUR non-California vehicle literally have the word "California" in
the emissions label?

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:11:12 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

Does your OUT OF STATE vehicle (car, mc, truck) have a 49 or 50-state
sticker?

There is some disagreement on the Android/Apple newsgroups related to the
proposed 5-year retroactive California texting tax where someone brought up
the fact that they "thought" you could register a *new* out of state car in
California, that you bought with fewer than 7,500 miles on the odometer.

According to this reference, you can NEVER register it in California
(if they _know_ you bought it with fewer than 7,500 miles, that is):
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

Everything boils down to what the *sticker* says.
If the sticker does not have (literally) the word California, then it's a
goner. You can _never_ register it in California.

The sticker is all they care about (it can pass emissions, and it will, but
that's not what they care about).

Since I only have California vehicles, I want to ask others out there.

Does YOUR non-California vehicle literally have the word "California" in
the emissions label?

I have no experience with this but wouldn't be suprised. New cars sold
in California have to meet its emission standards. That's how they got
rid of smog in LA. They did get rid of it, didnt' they?

So how would it be if people from California could fly to some other
state, buy a non-Cal car there, have a one- or two-week vacation drive
and end up back in california, and then register the car in Cal,
avoiding the law requiring higher emission standards.

Or, maybe they could just get dropped off right across the border and
drive 5 miles back to Cal.

Clearly 5 miles aren't enought to stop this, and the miles from a 2-week
car trip aren't enough, so what is? I say 7,500 or bust. Seventy Five
0 0 or fight.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 01:11:12 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:



Does YOUR non-California vehicle literally have the word "California" in
the emissions label?

BTW, I'm sure almost no car sold out of cal has cal in the emilssion
labels, because such cars are more expensive, or get lower mileage, and
people don't want them unless the law requires them to buy one, and
that's only true in Cal.

Maybe once in a great while a mistake is made and such a car gets
shipped to a dealer out of Cal, and sold to someone who doesn't know
prices or doesn't car about, what, 2 or 300??? dollars, but with more
computers that's probably rarer than ever.

In article , micky
wrote:


BTW, I'm sure almost no car sold out of cal has cal in the emilssion
labels, because such cars are more expensive, or get lower mileage, and
people don't want them unless the law requires them to buy one, and
that's only true in Cal.

false.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-follow-califo
rnias-emission-and-zero-emission-vehicle-rules
Thirteen states‹mostly in the Northeast and Northwest‹and the
District of Columbia have adopted California's stricter emissions
standards, many of which also participate in the zero-emission
vehicle mandate.

Known as "Section 177" states, those 13 a Connecticut, Delaware,
Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York,
Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Arizona adopted California's standards in 2008, but the state
repealed them as soon as Governor Jan Brewer took office in January
2012.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:11:22 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , micky
wrote:


BTW, I'm sure almost no car sold out of cal has cal in the emilssion
labels, because such cars are more expensive, or get lower mileage, and
people don't want them unless the law requires them to buy one, and
that's only true in Cal.

false.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news...-follow-califo
rnias-emission-and-zero-emission-vehicle-rules
Thirteen states‹mostly in the Northeast and Northwest‹and the
District of Columbia have adopted California's stricter emissions
standards, many of which also participate in the zero-emission
vehicle mandate.

Known as "Section 177" states, those 13 a Connecticut, Delaware,
Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York,
Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Washington.

Arizona adopted California's standards in 2008, but the state
repealed them as soon as Governor Jan Brewer took office in January
2012.
Until now, California was seen as the bellwether of emissions
standards, since the state has clashed with federal officials for the
better part of a decade for implementing its own tough emission
standards. But the state has now signed on to the continental plan,
effectively bringing an end to "California emissions,"

For several years MOST vehicles sold in Canada have been 50 state
compliant as far as emissions are concerned.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:00:12 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote:

For several years MOST vehicles sold in Canada have been 50 state
compliant as far as emissions are concerned.

Nothing matters other than whether or not the sticker says "California".
Does anyone on this ng live outside of California?

It's not about emissions. It's about money. It's about abuse of power.

You can _never_ register a vehicle in California if they know you bough it
o Either with fewer than 7,500 miles on the odometer, or,
o If it was less than 2 years old at the time of purchase.

Period.
That's the law.
(There are minor exceptions, e.g., divorce, theft, catastrophe, etc.)

The only answer to this question that is relevant is:
o Do you reside in the USA but OUTSIDE the state of California?
o If so, does your emissions sticker literally say "California", or not?

NOTE: The cite is clear that if the emissions sticker doesn't literally
say California on that sticker, then that vehicle can't be registered under
the conditions stated above.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:21:31 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:00:12 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote:

For several years MOST vehicles sold in Canada have been 50 state
compliant as far as emissions are concerned.

Nothing matters other than whether or not the sticker says "California".
Does anyone on this ng live outside of California?

It's not about emissions. It's about money. It's about abuse of power.

You can _never_ register a vehicle in California if they know you bough it
o Either with fewer than 7,500 miles on the odometer, or,
o If it was less than 2 years old at the time of purchase.

Period.
That's the law.
(There are minor exceptions, e.g., divorce, theft, catastrophe, etc.)

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

The only answer to this question that is relevant is:
o Do you reside in the USA but OUTSIDE the state of California?
o If so, does your emissions sticker literally say "California", or not?

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

NOTE: The cite is clear that if the emissions sticker doesn't literally
say California on that sticker, then that vehicle can't be registered under
the conditions stated above.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.
It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.

On 12/14/2018 4:15 PM, arlen holder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.
It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.


None of my cars, all 1965 models, have anything like
emissions controls, compliance documents or what have you.
If you don't like their stupid rules, drive an exempt car.

Bonus: No chinese electronics, can't be cited for 'no seat
belt', entire wiring diagram is easily memorized, simple
tools and meatware cover 90% of service issues, many other
subtle advantages.

Or just jump right in and do it their way. You have a choice.

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org/
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 21:21:31 -0000 (UTC), arlen holder
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:00:12 -0500, Clare Snyder wrote:

For several years MOST vehicles sold in Canada have been 50 state
compliant as far as emissions are concerned.

Nothing matters other than whether or not the sticker says "California".
Does anyone on this ng live outside of California?

It's not about emissions. It's about money. It's about abuse of power.

You can _never_ register a vehicle in California if they know you bough it
o Either with fewer than 7,500 miles on the odometer, or,
o If it was less than 2 years old at the time of purchase.

Period.
That's the law.
(There are minor exceptions, e.g., divorce, theft, catastrophe, etc.)

The only answer to this question that is relevant is:
o Do you reside in the USA but OUTSIDE the state of California?
o If so, does your emissions sticker literally say "California", or not?

I'm in Ontario and my 2014 Kia Sorento says "california emissions"

NOTE: The cite is clear that if the emissions sticker doesn't literally
say California on that sticker, then that vehicle can't be registered under
the conditions stated above.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 22:15:10 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.

It may have it but I don't think I have it. Where is it?

It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:12:11 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 22:15:10 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.

It may have it but I don't think I have it. Where is it?

It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.
Under the hood. On the bottom of the hood or on the rad support. Nice
big white and green label

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:47:55 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 20:12:11 -0500, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 22:15:10 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.

It may have it but I don't think I have it. Where is it?

It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.

Under the hood. On the bottom of the hood or on the rad support. Nice
big white and green label

I'll look. I know the sticker that shows how the hoses run. Don't
remember if it says California or not. My new used car was first sold
in Maryland. My previous one was first sold in South Carolina or maybe
Florida, and I finally sold it 2 weeks ago. Got 1000 dollars, plus the
buyer wasn't upset by anything that was wrong with it.

On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 5:15:14 PM UTC-5, arlen holder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.
It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.

Why should I go out in the cold, pop the hood on my 2004 Toyota just to
see if it's legal in California?

Cindy Hamilton

On 12/15/18 7:13 AM, wrote:
On Friday, December 14, 2018 at 5:15:14 PM UTC-5, arlen holder wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.

That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.

Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.
It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.

Why should I go out in the cold, pop the hood on my 2004 Toyota just to
see if it's legal in California?

Cindy Hamilton

To prove that you're a good, caring and sensitive person who feels pain
and compassion for the down-trodden and oppressed; and that you're one
who welcomes- with open arms and an open wallet- the criminal and
diseased unwashed masses daily pushing up against our southern border
probing for soft spots to get that free ride on the American gravy train
;-)

--
Im not saying we should kill all the stupid people, Im just sayin
lets remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out€¦.

micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Dec 2018 22:15:10 -0000 (UTC), arlen
holder wrote:

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:35:26 -0500, micky wrote:

So it's simple. Marry the seller or the seller's daughter and divorce
her before or after the car is registered. Whichever works.
That's not the question, but to your point, all the "tricks" are he
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr29

The original thread on the topic is convoluted, but here's a pointer:
https://comp.mobile.android.narkive.com/245eL00r/thanks-to-stupid-democrat-voters-kookifornia-proposes-to-tax-texting#post30

I never buy a new car. I have no idea what these stickers I hear about
say.
Hi micky,
The year of the car is irrelevant.
If you OWN a car, it has an emissions sticker.

It may have it but I don't think I have it. Where is it?

It just does.

It either says "California" on that sticker, or it does not.
That's the question.

It's really a very simple question.


It will be on the header panel/radiator support.

--
Steve W.