On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 2:23:06 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:

On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.


You can use archival DVD's. Guaranteed for about 300 years
but DVD's haven't been around that long to really say what
their life span is. Anyway, that's what museums and uni-
versities use.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

On 7/26/2017 7:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

I've got 100 year old pictures. And I can see what they are immediately.
An old, even "archival" CD. What are you going to look at it on? If you
even bother.

I suspect most of such things will disappear.

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 12:01:00 AM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/26/2017 7:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

I've got 100 year old pictures. And I can see what they are immediately.


Assuming they aren't eaten by silverfish or otherwise deteriorated from less than ideal storage. And you can't copy them, make new ones, without loss in quality. With digital, the original accuracy is maintained 100%.


An old, even "archival" CD. What are you going to look at it on? If you
even bother.


I guess you missed the part where I said that you can easily move digital to newer media, storage, every 10 years or whenever required. You can play playback records today, movies from 100 years ago. With all the dvds in use today I see no reason to think that if you came across a DVD 100 years from now that there would be no way to get what's there off. In my book, digital is far superior, but you can rely on paper, your choice.


I suspect most of such things will disappear.

..

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:28:34 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

I see no reason to think that if you came across a DVD 100 years from now that there would be no way to get what's there off.

Where would you find a 12" optical drive right now?
That was sold as archival storage just 20-25 years ago.
You would have a hard enough time finding a PC with a 5.25" diskette
drive. I have some IBM 3363 optical disks and I bet there are not 10
running drives in the whole country.
I agree you can copy to new media without losing anything but you
better do it pretty fast while the old drives are still around.

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 1:03:41 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:28:34 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

I see no reason to think that if you came across a DVD 100 years from now that there would be no way to get what's there off.

Where would you find a 12" optical drive right now?
That was sold as archival storage just 20-25 years ago.
You would have a hard enough time finding a PC with a 5.25" diskette
drive. I have some IBM 3363 optical disks and I bet there are not 10
running drives in the whole country.
I agree you can copy to new media without losing anything but you
better do it pretty fast while the old drives are still around.


You may have some trouble finding a computer that will read an MFM hard drive as the interface is disappearing from motherboards. I have all sorts of USB adapters in my bag of tech tricks including older computers so I can hookup to the older media. I recall seeing some years ago an interface for hooking old mainframe reel to reel data tape drives to a PC. You could be a mad scientist with that sort of equipment in your computer room. I'd like to see an iPhone interface for that old stuff. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Tape Monster

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:55:04 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/26/2017 7:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

I've got 100 year old pictures. And I can see what they are immediately.
An old, even "archival" CD. What are you going to look at it on? If you
even bother.

I suspect most of such things will disappear.
Get the important stuff off of "media" and onto "archival paper"

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:39:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:55:04 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/26/2017 7:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

I've got 100 year old pictures. And I can see what they are immediately.
An old, even "archival" CD. What are you going to look at it on? If you
even bother.

I suspect most of such things will disappear.
Get the important stuff off of "media" and onto "archival paper"

The government and industry disagree with you. The last bastions of
big piles of moldy paper are going electronic. These days court
documents and legal documents are PDF files. The day of paper files
may finally be behind us, only 40 years after it was predicted by the
computer folks.

On Thursday, July 27, 2017 at 12:06:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 11:39:47 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:55:04 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 7/26/2017 7:14 PM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 3:23:06 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
On 7/24/2017 5:18 AM, Frank wrote:


I'm considering one of those one box deals where you fill it with old
films, media and tapes etc and for a couple of hundred bucks get all
copied to modern media.

Which unfortunately dies of age 5-10 years down the line, or there is no
longer a device to read it available.

Once it's converted to digital you can easily move it to future digital media every 10 years, or as needed, with no loss in quality. If it's important, then it should be duplicated on different types of storage, cloud, etc. It's orders of magnitude better than old pictures that are subject to deterioration.

I've got 100 year old pictures. And I can see what they are immediately..
An old, even "archival" CD. What are you going to look at it on? If you
even bother.

I suspect most of such things will disappear.
Get the important stuff off of "media" and onto "archival paper"

The government and industry disagree with you. The last bastions of
big piles of moldy paper are going electronic. These days court
documents and legal documents are PDF files. The day of paper files
may finally be behind us, only 40 years after it was predicted by the
computer folks.


When I see a new doctor, I hand the doctor a thumb drive with my information on it. It will probably get to the point where you transfer your information from your smartphone to a medical practitioner's phone or tablet. I don't own a smartass phone so I stick to a thumb drive. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Drive Monster