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I messed up. Now I need to screw into particle board.
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The
bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-1136676-.htm |
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave
m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Ouch! That is an expensive mistake. If you saved the piece you cut off, you could use a strong, resin type wood glue and try to glue it back in place. For additional strength you could glue dowels and or biscuits into both pieces before assembling. Posting a few pictures of what you are dealing with would probably help the group, help you. |
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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-4, Stormin' Norman wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Ouch! That is an expensive mistake. If you saved the piece you cut off, you could use a strong, resin type wood glue and try to glue it back in place. For additional strength you could glue dowels and or biscuits into both pieces before assembling. Posting a few pictures of what you are dealing with would probably help the group, help you. IDK if there is some trim that would hide the boo boo, if there is then that would work. Otherwise I don't see that he has anything to lose by trying his idea. I'd put epoxy under the brackets too. |
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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:23:25 PM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-4, Stormin' Norman wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Ouch! That is an expensive mistake. If you saved the piece you cut off, you could use a strong, resin type wood glue and try to glue it back in place. For additional strength you could glue dowels and or biscuits into both pieces before assembling. Posting a few pictures of what you are dealing with would probably help the group, help you. IDK if there is some trim that would hide the boo boo, if there is then that would work. Otherwise I don't see that he has anything to lose by trying his idea. I'd put epoxy under the brackets too. Construction adhesive would be a choice too. |
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On 07/04/2017 5:44 PM, Dave wrote:
.... ... So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Cut off that much more that the present cutoff gives correct overall height. Glue that back to the top; using some biscuits or dowels for some extra glue surface area wouldn't hurt. Or, just rip the hardwood off the cutoff and glue it on where it was and trim the bottom for the height. -- |
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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 6:44:12 PM UTC-4, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-1136676-.htm |
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On 7/4/17 6:44 PM, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Is there a hardwood strip on the "bottom" of the door ? If so, could you just turn it "upside down" ? OR instead of using wood screws, uses a bolt, washers & nut thru a hole drilled thru the door |
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On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave
m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. |
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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. A router would probably be the better choice for cutting the dado. |
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On 7/5/2017 5:49 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. A router would probably be the better choice for cutting the dado. Better be a big router ... at least 1/2" collet , and if I were doing this I'd probably hog most of it out with a circular saw and just finish the slot with the router . At a minimum a couple of 2x4's clamped on to give the saw and router bases some stability . The OP might be able to clean the slot up to the outer veneer layers , clean up the wood strip he cut off and glue it back in . I've done this with hollow core doors with good results . -- Snag |
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On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 8:29:14 AM UTC-4, Terry Coombs wrote:
On 7/5/2017 5:49 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly' should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. A router would probably be the better choice for cutting the dado. Better be a big router ... at least 1/2" collet , and if I were doing this I'd probably hog most of it out with a circular saw and just finish the slot with the router . At a minimum a couple of 2x4's clamped on to give the saw and router bases some stability . The OP might be able to clean the slot up to the outer veneer layers , clean up the wood strip he cut off and glue it back in . I've done this with hollow core doors with good results . Any decent router with a 1/2" collet could handle this. Multiple shallow passes with a 2" cut length straight bit will get the job done, assuming he actually needs the full 2". There are 1.5" cut lengths also. I recently bought a 5/8" bit with a 1.5" cut length to route out a 3/4" recess for a deck of cards in a cribbage board I made. With the 1/2" template for the recess, I needed at least 1.25". http://i.imgur.com/ouehBqf.jpg http://i.imgur.com/vooVWFE.jpg I would expand on your 2x4 support idea and build a jig with a straight edge for the router to follow. |
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On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 07:51:18 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
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On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 03:49:16 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. A router would probably be the better choice for cutting the dado. You just have trouble getting it very deep. If the surface of the door is not important, you could use one of those cylinder shaped nuts. That is what the furniture guys use in that sawdust material. |
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On Wednesday, July 5, 2017 at 8:57:48 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 03:49:16 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 7:34:19 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017 22:44:07 GMT, Dave m wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top off the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Saw a slot in the top of the door 3/4" wide and as deep as your blade will go. Glue a piece of hardwood in there, screw into that. Perfect would be a dado blade in a table saw but you could do it with a circular caw and the fence. Set it to cut the outsides of the 3/4" slot first then eat out the middle. Start smaller than 3/4 and sneak up on it. Clamp 3-4" of material to the side of the door, even with the top to get a stable base to work from. Laid flat and clamped on a table or the bench, hang the fence from the top surface with your clamped "base" on the bottom using the wide side of the saw plate against it. Just be sure everything is stable before you start the saw. A router would probably be the better choice for cutting the dado. You just have trouble getting it very deep. If the surface of the door is not important, you could use one of those cylinder shaped nuts. That is what the furniture guys use in that sawdust material. How deep do you think it needs to be? He mentioned that he cut off "a couple of inches" but he didn't say that all 2€œ were hardwood or how long the screws were. Even if he needed the full "couple of inches" you can get straight bits with 2" cut lengths. e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Freud-12-142-.../dp/B0000225VZ Multiple shallow passes could easily get him the full 2". A simple jig with a straight edge clamped to the door and he's good to go. Of course, he could also use the tool shown at 3:00 of this video. ;-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiPyLtDpHto |
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On 7/4/17 5:44 PM, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm Cut a bunch due to aioe quotation limits. What about using hinges that attach to the side of the door? Something like these: https://www.amazon.com/Double-Sliding-Barn-Door-Hangers/dp/B01A7GQPOG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1499212672&sr=8-1&keywords=hanging+barn+door+hinge or http://alturl.com/st8x9 |
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On 7/4/2017 6:44 PM, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 I'd pilot drill and use #10 x 3-1/2" deck screws and call it a day. |
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On 07/04/2017 09:17 PM, Reverend Harry Hardwick wrote:
On 7/4/2017 6:44 PM, Dave wrote: I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 I'd pilot drill and use #10 x 3-1/2" deck screws and call it a day. That's cheating. We gotta buy hundreds of dollars worth of new power tools. Don't you get it? |
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On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 12:56:30 -0400, Tommy Silvah
wrote: I'd pilot drill and use #10 x 3-1/2" deck screws and call it a day. That's cheating. We gotta buy hundreds of dollars worth of new power tools. Don't you get it? If he is OK with the screws pulling out as soon as the humidity gets to that particle board, it will work. |
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On 7/4/17 6:44 PM, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Turn it upside down? -- I love a good meal. That's why I don't cook. |
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On 7/4/2017 3:44 PM, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 Turn the door over? |
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On Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 5:44:12 PM UTC-5, Dave wrote:
I bought a sliding barn door that was the right width but a bit too tall. The bottom has a groove for a guide, so in order to shorten the door, I cut a couple inches off the top. The trouble is, I cut off the hardwood at the top of the door that the roller assembly screws into and now all that's left is the particle board interior. The particle board isn't strong enough to hold the weight of the door on the rollers. So... I need to figure out how to attach the rollers to the top of the door, with only particle board to screw into. (In retrospect, I clearly should have cut extra height off the bottom - too late now.) I'm wondering if I drill holes, fill them with epoxy, and then set the screws in place if that will be strong enough. Thoughts? Here is the door for reference: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Masonite-...7590/206193108 -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...d-1136676-.htm I would get a couple of 6 or 8 inch corner braces, bolt the rollers to the braces and screw the other leg of the braces to the side edges of the door. The edges should also have a hardwood insert. |
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