On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical care goes
to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can bet Obamacare
made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a full
timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went MDVIP and
wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely impacted
by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to renew my
license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took 1-1/2 hours of
waiting in line just so they could take my $120 and give me a renewal
sticker. Sheeeesh!

On 4/22/2017 8:46 AM, Mike wrote:
On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical care goes
to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can bet Obamacare
made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a full
timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went MDVIP and
wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely impacted
by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to renew my
license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took 1-1/2 hours of
waiting in line just so they could take my $120 and give me a renewal
sticker. Sheeeesh!

Solution is less government. I seriously think half of all government
workers are not needed.

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical care goes
to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can bet Obamacare
made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a full
timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went MDVIP and
wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely impacted
by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to renew my
license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took 1-1/2 hours of
waiting in line just so they could take my $120 and give me a renewal
sticker. Sheeeesh!

What kind of primitive state do you live in? I do that online.

Granted, the last time I renewed my driver's license I had to go in to
the office, probably because they wanted a new picture.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical care goes
to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can bet Obamacare
made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a full
timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went MDVIP and
wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely impacted
by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to renew my
license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took 1-1/2 hours of
waiting in line just so they could take my $120 and give me a renewal
sticker. Sheeeesh!

What kind of primitive state do you live in? I do that online.

Granted, the last time I renewed my driver's license I had to go in to
the office, probably because they wanted a new picture.

Cindy Hamilton

NJ isn't primitive, but renewing a driver's license can be a pain
in the ass. You have to do it in person, they take a new pic, and
you have to prove who you are via a point system. An old driver's
license is worth a couple points, but it's not enough to meet the
metric. They take passports, SS card, utility bills, tax bills,
etc which having varying point counts. And it's not just having
enough points, you have to have a minimum from certain categories,
eg you can't just us utility bills, tax bills, etc. So far, it's
involved but not real bad right?

The trouble starts when you have slightly different versions of
your name on any of those, eg Robert G. Smith on your driver's
license, but Robert George Smith on your passport. Then they
tell you the passport is no good. I went through this when I
used my social security card, which has Jr on the end of my name.
It's there because my father had the same name, we lived at the
same address when I was growing up, so we just did it as the
only logical way to keep us separated, but it's not on my birth
certificate. I have friends who have had similar problem.
One is over 70, they rejected him because of the letter versus
full name thing.
Including one who has several middle names and the DMV crew spent
half an hour arguing among themselves as to what should go on
his new license. Whatever they put wasn't the whole thing, so
good luck when it comes time to renew that. And people going
through this BS are people like me who have lived in NJ for decades,
had driver's licenses all that time, etc.

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The trouble starts when you have slightly different versions of
your name on any of those, eg Robert G. Smith on your driver's
license, but Robert George Smith on your passport. Then they
tell you the passport is no good. I went through this when I
used my social security card, which has Jr on the end of my name.
It's there because my father had the same name, we lived at the
same address when I was growing up, so we just did it as the
only logical way to keep us separated, but it's not on my birth
certificate. I have friends who have had similar problem.
One is over 70, they rejected him because of the letter versus
full name thing.

There should be a law about not being able to name a son the same name
with Junior or the 3rd or whatever on the end. I don't care one way or
the other if the same name is used,but leave off that Jr.

I am a junior and while I have no probelm with the name as such, it does
get confusing with the Jr on the end. Legaly if it is on your birth
certificate as Jr that is part of your legal name and should be used on
all signatuers, especially anything legal. I don't always do it and
have credit cards and accounts like the power and cable bills with and
without the Jr on them.

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 11:45:03 AM UTC-4, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical care goes
to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can bet Obamacare
made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a full
timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went MDVIP and
wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely impacted
by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to renew my
license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took 1-1/2 hours of
waiting in line just so they could take my $120 and give me a renewal
sticker. Sheeeesh!

What kind of primitive state do you live in? I do that online.

Granted, the last time I renewed my driver's license I had to go in to
the office, probably because they wanted a new picture.

Cindy Hamilton

NJ isn't primitive, but renewing a driver's license can be a pain
in the ass. You have to do it in person, they take a new pic, and
you have to prove who you are via a point system.

We only have to renew in person every other time (every 8 years).
We can show our old driver's license to prove who we are.

New Jersey is crazy. (My husband was born there.)

Cindy Hamilton

An old driver's
license is worth a couple points, but it's not enough to meet the
metric. They take passports, SS card, utility bills, tax bills,
etc which having varying point counts. And it's not just having
enough points, you have to have a minimum from certain categories,
eg you can't just us utility bills, tax bills, etc. So far, it's
involved but not real bad right?

The trouble starts when you have slightly different versions of
your name on any of those, eg Robert G. Smith on your driver's
license, but Robert George Smith on your passport. Then they
tell you the passport is no good. I went through this when I
used my social security card, which has Jr on the end of my name.
It's there because my father had the same name, we lived at the
same address when I was growing up, so we just did it as the
only logical way to keep us separated, but it's not on my birth
certificate. I have friends who have had similar problem.
One is over 70, they rejected him because of the letter versus
full name thing.
Including one who has several middle names and the DMV crew spent
half an hour arguing among themselves as to what should go on
his new license. Whatever they put wasn't the whole thing, so
good luck when it comes time to renew that. And people going
through this BS are people like me who have lived in NJ for decades,
had driver's licenses all that time, etc.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 08:44:53 -0700 (PDT)
trader_4 wrote:

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 9:15:49 AM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
On 03/26/2017 08:41 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/26/2017 7:28 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
From the Carpe Diem site written by Mark J. Perry
http://www.aei.org/publication/an-antidote-for-obamacare-cash-only-medicine-with-transparent-pricing-and-no-insurance-the-future-of-medicine/


or http://alturl.com/kkyru

Cash prices compared to paying insurance deductibles.

Once that famous sage, Sen. Ted Kennedy said 40% of medical
care goes to paperwork. That was several years ago but you can
bet Obamacare made it worse.

My former doctor in an office with three others had to hire a
full timer to deal with insurance. I quit him when he went
MDVIP and wanted $1,600/yr up front.

Paper work is generated by insurance companies and severely
impacted by government regulations.


Yah, everything the government touches they **** up. I had to
renew my license plates at the DMV cash grab the other day. Took
1-1/2 hours of waiting in line just so they could take my $120
and give me a renewal sticker. Sheeeesh!

What kind of primitive state do you live in? I do that online.

Granted, the last time I renewed my driver's license I had to go in
to the office, probably because they wanted a new picture.

Cindy Hamilton

NJ isn't primitive, but renewing a driver's license can be a pain
in the ass. You have to do it in person, they take a new pic, and
you have to prove who you are via a point system. An old driver's
license is worth a couple points, but it's not enough to meet the
metric. They take passports, SS card, utility bills, tax bills,
etc which having varying point counts. And it's not just having
enough points, you have to have a minimum from certain categories,
eg you can't just us utility bills, tax bills, etc. So far, it's
involved but not real bad right?

The trouble starts when you have slightly different versions of
your name on any of those, eg Robert G. Smith on your driver's
license, but Robert George Smith on your passport. Then they
tell you the passport is no good. I went through this when I
used my social security card, which has Jr on the end of my name.
It's there because my father had the same name, we lived at the
same address when I was growing up, so we just did it as the
only logical way to keep us separated, but it's not on my birth
certificate. I have friends who have had similar problem.
One is over 70, they rejected him because of the letter versus
full name thing.
Including one who has several middle names and the DMV crew spent
half an hour arguing among themselves as to what should go on
his new license. Whatever they put wasn't the whole thing, so
good luck when it comes time to renew that. And people going
through this BS are people like me who have lived in NJ for decades,
had driver's licenses all that time, etc.

by your own tale..NJ is just barely above third world dictator status.