Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like a job for Bob Villa.

On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 05:13:36 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like you are a busy body butting into others business
with out the knowledge or skills to know what is correct.

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 9:11:13 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 05:13:36 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like you are a busy body butting into others business
with out the knowledge or skills to know what is correct.


Wow. I knew Usenet had gone downhill, but really?

I happen to have a whole mess of code books on my desk; I can certainly look this up myself, and I know for a fact that venting into an attic is not kosher. I was thinking that maybe someone knowledgeable might be able to answer my question without having to search through sections that I don't normally deal with (I don't do residential typically) but instead the first two responses are not only unhelpful but antagonistic? What the actual ****?

As you can see he

http://thehtrc.com/2013/getting-deta...xhaust-venting

there are code references explicitly stating that venting into attic is prohibited.

Additionally, how is it being a "busybody" to try to prevent someone's possessions stored in attic space from getting all mildewy? and to try to help prevent possible health issues due to same? It's called being a good, helpful person, you should try it sometime.

Now if someone actually knowledgeable and helpful can tell me if it's OK by code and functionally to wye them together to the same vent, that would be good to know. If not, I will have to look it up later. (location does not permit venting out of gable without a long run so even a wye would be preferable to that.)

sheesh...

N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

If I was going to do this I'd put a flap valve in each vent hose to keep
from pumping that warm moist air over into the other bathroom ... dunno if
it's code or not , but that would get it outside .
--
Snag

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 8:58:47 AM UTC-6, Terry Coombs wrote:
N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

If I was going to do this I'd put a flap valve in each vent hose to keep
from pumping that warm moist air over into the other bathroom ... dunno if
it's code or not , but that would get it outside .
--
Snag

Most bathroom vent fans assemblies that I've seen and installed had a builtin damper. Some of the dampers make noise when they close after the fan is turned off. ヽ(ヅ)ノ

[8~{} Uncle Damp Monster

On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 06:37:34 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 9:11:13 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice
wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 05:13:36 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan
was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to
correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the
suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an
abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's
fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been
scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath
vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to
the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master
bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held
together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape
and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever
the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like
and that this job is probably never going to get done properly.
I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and
install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the
same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the
current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and
getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y
adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a
knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be
vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing
it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like you are a busy body butting into others business
with out the knowledge or skills to know what is correct.


Wow. I knew Usenet had gone downhill, but really?

I happen to have a whole mess of code books on my desk; I can
certainly look this up myself, and I know for a fact that venting
into an attic is not kosher. I was thinking that maybe someone
knowledgeable might be able to answer my question without having to
search through sections that I don't normally deal with (I don't do
residential typically) but instead the first two responses are not
only unhelpful but antagonistic? What the actual ****?

As you can see he

http://thehtrc.com/2013/getting-deta...xhaust-venting

there are code references explicitly stating that venting into attic
is prohibited.

Additionally, how is it being a "busybody" to try to prevent
someone's possessions stored in attic space from getting all
mildewy? and to try to help prevent possible health issues due to
same? It's called being a good, helpful person, you should try it
sometime.

Now if someone actually knowledgeable and helpful can tell me if it's
OK by code and functionally to wye them together to the same vent,
that would be good to know. If not, I will have to look it up
later. (location does not permit venting out of gable without a long
run so even a wye would be preferable to that.)

sheesh...

Well if you need some fat government agent to tell you how
to do the job you are pathetic.

The code is only to relieve the contractor of some legal
responsibility.

On 2/9/2017 6:37 AM, N8N wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 9:11:13 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 05:13:36 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like you are a busy body butting into others business
with out the knowledge or skills to know what is correct.


Wow. I knew Usenet had gone downhill, but really?

I happen to have a whole mess of code books on my desk; I can certainly look this up myself, and I know for a fact that venting into an attic is not kosher. I was thinking that maybe someone knowledgeable might be able to answer my question without having to search through sections that I don't normally deal with (I don't do residential typically) but instead the first two responses are not only unhelpful but antagonistic? What the actual ****?

As you can see he

http://thehtrc.com/2013/getting-deta...xhaust-venting

there are code references explicitly stating that venting into attic is prohibited.

Additionally, how is it being a "busybody" to try to prevent someone's possessions stored in attic space from getting all mildewy? and to try to help prevent possible health issues due to same? It's called being a good, helpful person, you should try it sometime.

Now if someone actually knowledgeable and helpful can tell me if it's OK by code and functionally to wye them together to the same vent, that would be good to know. If not, I will have to look it up later. (location does not permit venting out of gable without a long run so even a wye would be preferable to that.)

sheesh...

Yeah, I think he got you there, Buford.

N8N wrote:

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some =
proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things u=
p that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at le=
ast both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this wa=
y other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

I can tell you about 10 years ago I was looking into using a common remote
extraction fan for a couple of bathrooms in a house we were builing. My builder
said the local code guys would not approve that and we ended up with bog
standard fans in each bathroom each going to their own stack.

Seemed really stupid to me at the time as there are millions of hotels with
common extraction fans - certainly they meet code, but it wasn't a fight I
wanted to have.

The problem with doing it on your own, even with backflow prevention, is that at
some point in the future when the house is up for sale, some inspector is going
to flag it and the owner is not going to be happy at having to deal with it to
make the sale go through.

I'd drop by your local code office and have a friendly conversation with them.
I've found they are far more willing to let you know what will pass in your area
up front, than they are after the fact.

On 2/9/17 8:13 AM, N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate


Well Nate, here's what it boils down to: are you banging her or not?

If you are, be a mensch, get your ass up into the attic and fix it
right. If you're not, don't sweat it and let the next stud take care of it-)

--
Question for liberals: If the rich didnt create all that wealth-€“ who
would you take it from?

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 8:13:39 AM UTC-5, N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

I've never seen two joined together, but that doesn't mean that it's
not done or not code. One obvious issue is that what happens when only
one fan is on? They have a flap in them that is supposed to close when
not in use, so I guess that would prevent one fan from blowing back into
the house via the other. For a rental and given the situation, your plan
seems to be a reasonable one.

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 11:34:11 AM UTC-5, Arthur Conan Doyle wrote:
N8N wrote:

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some =
proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things u=
p that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at le=
ast both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this wa=
y other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

I can tell you about 10 years ago I was looking into using a common remote
extraction fan for a couple of bathrooms in a house we were builing. My builder
said the local code guys would not approve that and we ended up with bog
standard fans in each bathroom each going to their own stack.

Seemed really stupid to me at the time as there are millions of hotels with
common extraction fans - certainly they meet code, but it wasn't a fight I
wanted to have.

The problem with doing it on your own, even with backflow prevention, is that at
some point in the future when the house is up for sale, some inspector is going
to flag it and the owner is not going to be happy at having to deal with it to
make the sale go through.


What he's proposing is better than what's there now, which is a hack job
venting one outside and the other venting into the attic. And by the time
of any sale, this renter will likely be long gone.



I'd drop by your local code office and have a friendly conversation with them.
I've found they are far more willing to let you know what will pass in your area
up front, than they are after the fact.

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 12:04:27 PM UTC-5, Travis Bickle wrote:
On 2/9/17 8:13 AM, N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate


Well Nate, here's what it boils down to: are you banging her or not?

If you are, be a mensch, get your ass up into the attic and fix it
right. If you're not, don't sweat it and let the next stud take care of it-)

--
Question for liberals: If the rich didnt create all that wealth-€“ who
would you take it from?

The problem is, I'd have no problem fixing it right, but I'd actually need two vent kits and a couple spare shingles, which would mean interacting with the landlord and having to explain to him that his handyman is (expletive deleted) him and not performing work to code. It's really not like I could hide the fact that I'd just installed two new vents on his brand new roof and removed/patched one of the old ones. (as I said, going through the gable is not an option, nor is the soffit due to likely not being able to maintain clearance from the windows. I'm not sure what the actual required distance is from an openable window or door, does anyone know?)

I don't really know if he'd take kindly to that or not. Me personally I'd appreciate the heads up but not all the world is rational.

On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 06:37:34 -0800 (PST), N8N
wrote:

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 9:11:13 AM UTC-5, burfordTjustice wrote:
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 05:13:36 -0800 (PST)
N8N wrote:

Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was
actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to
mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct
the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said
that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned
4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead
of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a
previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got
some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He
didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still
unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper
transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing
hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the
owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that
this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the
*right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent
but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like
the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement
creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting
some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and
hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a
canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the
outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it
this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate

Sounds like you are a busy body butting into others business
with out the knowledge or skills to know what is correct.


Wow. I knew Usenet had gone downhill, but really?

I happen to have a whole mess of code books on my desk; I can certainly look this up myself, and I know for a fact that venting into an attic is not kosher. I was thinking that maybe someone knowledgeable might be able to answer my question without having to search through sections that I don't normally deal with (I don't do residential typically) but instead the first two responses are not only unhelpful but antagonistic? What the actual ****?

As you can see he

http://thehtrc.com/2013/getting-deta...xhaust-venting

there are code references explicitly stating that venting into attic is prohibited.

Additionally, how is it being a "busybody" to try to prevent someone's possessions stored in attic space from getting all mildewy? and to try to help prevent possible health issues due to same? It's called being a good, helpful person, you should try it sometime.

Now if someone actually knowledgeable and helpful can tell me if it's OK by code and functionally to wye them together to the same vent, that would be good to know. If not, I will have to look it up later. (location does not permit venting out of gable without a long run so even a wye would be preferable to that.)

sheesh...
The problem with a wye is if one fan is on and the other off it
could backfeed rather than vent. Having the wye AT the vent, with 2
long runs to the wye would be better than a long run(or any run, for
that matter) from the wye to the vent. No idea what cose says, but I
imagine if it says anything it will be against using a wye for that
reason.

On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 1:26:15 PM UTC-5, N8N wrote:
On Thursday, February 9, 2017 at 12:04:27 PM UTC-5, Travis Bickle wrote:
On 2/9/17 8:13 AM, N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate


Well Nate, here's what it boils down to: are you banging her or not?

If you are, be a mensch, get your ass up into the attic and fix it
right. If you're not, don't sweat it and let the next stud take care of it-)

--
Question for liberals: If the rich didnt create all that wealth-€“ who
would you take it from?

The problem is, I'd have no problem fixing it right, but I'd actually need two vent kits and a couple spare shingles, which would mean interacting with the landlord and having to explain to him that his handyman is (expletive deleted) him and not performing work to code. It's really not like I could hide the fact that I'd just installed two new vents on his brand new roof and removed/patched one of the old ones. (as I said, going through the gable is not an option, nor is the soffit due to likely not being able to maintain clearance from the windows. I'm not sure what the actual required distance is from an openable window or door, does anyone know?)

I don't really know if he'd take kindly to that or not. Me personally I'd appreciate the heads up but not all the world is rational.

That's why your first plan, combining the one venting in the attic into
the other one sounds like the best, easiest plan. Suppose you volunteer
to screw around with the roof and 6 months from now, there is a leak.
A leak that has nothing to do with what you did, but the landlord thinks
it does? Me, since it's a rental, if there is no evidence of the remaining
vent doing harm in the attic, I'd just forget about it. If the attic has
sufficient airflow and what's vented isn't high quantity of moisture, etc,
it could be OK. It's not to code, not done right, but is it your job to
make things right?

On 2/9/2017 8:13 AM, N8N wrote:
Hi all

got an issue at a friend's rented house

I helped move her in and noticed that neither bathroom vent fan was actually vented to outside, just output loose in attic

a few weeks ago a bad storm damaged the roof and I told her to mention to landlord that this would be a great opportunity to correct the bathroom fan venting, he thanked her for the suggestion and said that it'd be taken care of

well his "handyman" is an idiot. Apparently there was an abandoned 4" roof vent about 7-8' away from the large bathroom's fan, instead of recutting the hole in the ply that had been scabbed over in a previous roof replacement and hooking the bath vent up there he got some 4" flex duct and ran it all the way to the abandoned vent. He didn't do a thing to the small master bedroom's fan, it is still unvented. The whole mess is not held together with proper transitions or clamps, it's all duct tape and fail. What a ****ing hack job.

At this point I see that the handyman is cutting corners wherever the owner isn't cognizant of what a proper job should look like and that this job is probably never going to get done properly. I know the *right* way to do it is to get up on the roof and install a new vent but I don't want to cause friction. At the same time I don't like the potential for mold and mildew that the current arrangement creates.

What I'm thinking of doing is just not talking to the guy and getting some proper 3" flex duct, and a 2x3" to single 4" y adapter and hooking things up that way. It'll still look like a knot in a canine's genitalia but at least both fans would be vented to the outside.

Questions: would this meet code? Is there any downside to doing it this way other than being ugly and messing up the attic space?

thanks!

nate



I wouldn't even touch it. For starters, a landlord is required by law to
ensure the safety of their tenants. Depending on state, they have a
specific amount of days to repair a hazard. If it's not repaired
"properly", the tenant has the right to withhold rent and put into an
escrow account until repairs are made. Mold is a serious hazard which
can cause irreversible lung damage to someone breathing it in for a long
period of time.

Another option is to offer the landlord an opportunity for you to do the
job yourself "properly" and see if he will reimburse you for all cost
including labor or simply find out the code and tell him it's not
properly repaired as it stands now.

If you do the repair on your own without the landlords consent, there
could be a lawsuit against you or the renter at the most. At the least,
if you damage any part of his property, you could cost the renter their
security deposit.