Per :
This is where you want to surreptitiously turn your "Dash Cam Pro"
toward the window. He might not even notice it is pointing at him
although the audio itself can be quite compelling.

I wonder if anybody is selling/using stealth bodycams yet?

If not, it seems like a growing niche waiting to be filled.
--
Pete Cresswell

On 12/18/2016 9:55 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/17/2016 10:24 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-12-17, wrote:
Maryland V. Wilson and cases building on that.

Not everyone carries ID. They can't make you produce something
that you don't have. I personally never carry ID when not driving.


I'm not paranoid enough to worry. Only time police have ever stopped me
was for traffic violations. Even then, if you are polite you may get
just a warning. No reason to push his buttons, at least not before he
hands you a ticket.

+1.

If I'm pulled over, I KNOW I did something wrong before hand. Thus, I'm
guilty and willing to accept the consequences of my act. Therefore, I
don't have a problem providing the officer with the documents and remain
polite. I'm no innocent child and have had many encounters throughout
the years with being pulled over. I can say being polite and honest has
paid off many many times.

One example was when I traveled out of state to visit my brothers years
ago. I was driving 90 mph through Kentucky and came upon the crest of
the hilly road where a trooper was waiting with radar. He had me pegged
and before he could turn around, I was well passed him. I saw the lights
in my rearview mirror and obviously knew it was me he's coming to get.
Therefore, I pulled over to the right and waited. When he arrived, he
came up to the my car and asked me for my info then stated how surprised
he was that I stopped for him cause he expected a chase. Then he asked
me to sit in his car (front seat). He told me I was clocked at 92 and
normally, he is required to take me to the station but because I waited
and was honest, he wrote me for 5 over. We had a nice talk, shook hands
and went on my way, of course with his warning to drive slower. Though,
I still received the ticket, I knew I was guilty and played nice. It was
a better experience than the potential being taken to the station.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:43:25 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 12/18/2016 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:49:06 PM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/17/2016 4:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Meanie:
Depending on the issue (infraction or investigation), will ask for
personal info, then verify with records. If it's an infraction, they can
actually detain until they verify the info. If an investigation, they
can also verify but can't detain until verification.

I am guessing that the issue will soon become moot because of
electronic/biometric means of identification: point the camera, push the
button, and back comes the person's info.


Almost but unless one has a criminal record, photos wouldn't be readily
available. Much other info is obtainable, which is why they will usually
discover if one is lying.

DRiver's licenses have photos and are readily available to LEO online.


Not true. The DMVs have the photos on file, not the police departments.
The photo ID is a simple method to confirm the info on the card and the
photo matches the person who possesses it.

I would bet the photo is available to the cop on his lap top if they
have one. Our deputy cars look like the bridge of the Enterprise these
days. They certainly have connectivity to most of the data the state
has. The guy who works community services showed me the stuff he has.
Just typing in my tag number opens a plethora of information including
access to my D/L photo, the fact that I have a CCW license and if he
pokes around a little, stuff about my boat or even fishing license. He
started getting uncomfortable at me seeing all he can see and changed
the subject. We talked about his radio for a while.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:46:29 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per :
This is where you want to surreptitiously turn your "Dash Cam Pro"
toward the window. He might not even notice it is pointing at him
although the audio itself can be quite compelling.

I wonder if anybody is selling/using stealth bodycams yet?

If not, it seems like a growing niche waiting to be filled.

I have a pen recorder that works pretty well at belly gun range and it
was pretty cheap. I also have some small 12v cameras that would be
very easy to conceal in a car. I planned to put one in to catch car
hoppers but after we caught the one working our street it has not been
an issue for me. I just baited the guy with a $2 bill and gave the
police a copy of the bill. They found it under the drawer at the shop
and rob at the end of the street, figured out who to look for based on
who gave it to the clerk and caught him a little later with a house
full of stolen stuff after an investigation developed more PC..

On 12/18/2016 12:25 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:43:25 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 12/18/2016 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:49:06 PM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/17/2016 4:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Meanie:
Depending on the issue (infraction or investigation), will ask for
personal info, then verify with records. If it's an infraction, they can
actually detain until they verify the info. If an investigation, they
can also verify but can't detain until verification.

I am guessing that the issue will soon become moot because of
electronic/biometric means of identification: point the camera, push the
button, and back comes the person's info.


Almost but unless one has a criminal record, photos wouldn't be readily
available. Much other info is obtainable, which is why they will usually
discover if one is lying.

DRiver's licenses have photos and are readily available to LEO online.


Not true. The DMVs have the photos on file, not the police departments.
The photo ID is a simple method to confirm the info on the card and the
photo matches the person who possesses it.

I would bet the photo is available to the cop on his lap top if they
have one. Our deputy cars look like the bridge of the Enterprise these
days. They certainly have connectivity to most of the data the state
has. The guy who works community services showed me the stuff he has.
Just typing in my tag number opens a plethora of information including
access to my D/L photo, the fact that I have a CCW license and if he
pokes around a little, stuff about my boat or even fishing license. He
started getting uncomfortable at me seeing all he can see and changed
the subject. We talked about his radio for a while.


I won;t dispute the possibility, if not already available, for some
departments but I can assure you it's not common. My line of work also
provides me the ability to gather your info from your tag as well, the
higher authorities have more. It's just a matter of the department size
and available funds to install the systems. Also consider whether the
DMV makes it easily available.

On 12/18/2016 11:46 AM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per :
This is where you want to surreptitiously turn your "Dash Cam Pro"
toward the window. He might not even notice it is pointing at him
although the audio itself can be quite compelling.

I wonder if anybody is selling/using stealth bodycams yet?

If not, it seems like a growing niche waiting to be filled.


There are many retailers selling small wearable hidden cams. They can be
a video pen, shirt button, wris****ch, glasses and more and all operate
at the push of a button. Many of them offer 1080+ resolution for
beautiful clarity.

Per Meanie:
DRiver's licenses have photos and are readily available to LEO online.

Not true. The DMVs have the photos on file, not the police departments.
The photo ID is a simple method to confirm the info on the card and the
photo matches the person who possesses it.

Cresswell Predicts: That will change. Certainly not tomorrow or next
week or even next month... but give it a few years.

Also, AI's that learn on their own are just getting off the ground now.
The pundits I hear say that within five years that AIs will be showing
some really-serous functionality - and, logically,
authenticating/identifying people will get better as they do.
--
Pete Cresswell

Per :
I have a pen recorder that works pretty well at belly gun range and it
was pretty cheap. I also have some small 12v cameras that would be
very easy to conceal in a car. I planned to put one in to catch car
hoppers but after we caught the one working our street it has not been
an issue for me. I just baited the guy with a $2 bill and gave the
police a copy of the bill. They found it under the drawer at the shop
and rob at the end of the street, figured out who to look for based on
who gave it to the clerk and caught him a little later with a house
full of stolen stuff after an investigation developed more PC..

Warms the heart.....

Have you fooled around with the multi-cam systems that truckers use?

Something in that line is calling out to me, but I don't know enough to
figure out whether the ones in my price range are useful or not.

e.g. http://tinyurl.com/jaf2hmz
--
Pete Cresswell

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 02:54:06 -0000, Taxed and Spent wrote:

On 12/16/2016 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:48:17 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 19:10, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:26:47 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 18:23, wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-8, Bod wrote:
Commentary by *Former Deputy Sheriff Ernie Craig*

Very interesting and worth a watch (14 mins long).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHyUbMGz004

I rate this video high on my bull **** meter.

Explain!

He means:

https://tinyurl.com/guv7sqt

Aside, I don't need a Youtube video to explain my rights.

Fair enough.

The problem is cops are human and they assume only guilty people need
rights. A truly innocent person can answer all of these questions
honestly. True or not, that is probably the right thing for an
innocent person to do.
The fact remains your real rights only start when you can play your
recording to a lawyer. Great if you are guilty of something but stupid
if you aren't.
They can still make you want for a dog to have a sniff, make everyone
in the car produce ID, search for weapons, impound your car and hold
you until you produce the collateral for the traffic offense.
That is the offence they are willing to write up, not really anything
they can prove in court.
The cop is god on the side of the road with the power of life and
death. Guilty people want to get to the station as fast as possible
and innocent people should just comply and get away safe, maybe with
just a warning.


why can they make everyone, other than the driver, produce ID?

Why should people have to carry ID? This isn't Russia.

--
I took my Biology exam last Friday. I was asked to name two things commonly found in cells. Apparently "Blacks" and "Scousers" were not the correct answers.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:22:07 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Per :
I have a pen recorder that works pretty well at belly gun range and it
was pretty cheap. I also have some small 12v cameras that would be
very easy to conceal in a car. I planned to put one in to catch car
hoppers but after we caught the one working our street it has not been
an issue for me. I just baited the guy with a $2 bill and gave the
police a copy of the bill. They found it under the drawer at the shop
and rob at the end of the street, figured out who to look for based on
who gave it to the clerk and caught him a little later with a house
full of stolen stuff after an investigation developed more PC..

Warms the heart.....

Have you fooled around with the multi-cam systems that truckers use?

Something in that line is calling out to me, but I don't know enough to
figure out whether the ones in my price range are useful or not.

e.g. http://tinyurl.com/jaf2hmz

Check out some of the PI gear...for private investigators. Or other
sites. http://pigear.com/

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:48:21 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 02:54:06 -0000, Taxed and Spent wrote:

On 12/16/2016 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:48:17 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 19:10, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:26:47 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 18:23, wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-8, Bod wrote:
Commentary by *Former Deputy Sheriff Ernie Craig*

Very interesting and worth a watch (14 mins long).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHyUbMGz004

I rate this video high on my bull **** meter.

Explain!

He means:

https://tinyurl.com/guv7sqt

Aside, I don't need a Youtube video to explain my rights.

Fair enough.

The problem is cops are human and they assume only guilty people need
rights. A truly innocent person can answer all of these questions
honestly. True or not, that is probably the right thing for an
innocent person to do.
The fact remains your real rights only start when you can play your
recording to a lawyer. Great if you are guilty of something but stupid
if you aren't.
They can still make you want for a dog to have a sniff, make everyone
in the car produce ID, search for weapons, impound your car and hold
you until you produce the collateral for the traffic offense.
That is the offence they are willing to write up, not really anything
they can prove in court.
The cop is god on the side of the road with the power of life and
death. Guilty people want to get to the station as fast as possible
and innocent people should just comply and get away safe, maybe with
just a warning.


why can they make everyone, other than the driver, produce ID?

Why should people have to carry ID? This isn't Russia.

It is more just a practical thing. If you are not walking around your
neighborhood, you probably have your wallet.

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 11:43:32 AM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/18/2016 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:49:06 PM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/17/2016 4:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Meanie:
Depending on the issue (infraction or investigation), will ask for
personal info, then verify with records. If it's an infraction, they can
actually detain until they verify the info. If an investigation, they
can also verify but can't detain until verification.

I am guessing that the issue will soon become moot because of
electronic/biometric means of identification: point the camera, push the
button, and back comes the person's info.


Almost but unless one has a criminal record, photos wouldn't be readily
available. Much other info is obtainable, which is why they will usually
discover if one is lying.

DRiver's licenses have photos and are readily available to LEO online.


Not true. The DMVs have the photos on file, not the police departments.

What makes you think that police officers can't pull that photo up
when they put in your driver's license number from the laptop in
their car? Here some of the cop cars have sophisiticated systems
with camera on the fenders that scan all passing cars license plates,
read them, and if you're wanted for something, it instantly alerts
the cop. With that level of tech, it's hard for me to believe that
when they put your license number in, they don't get a pic back with
it. For sure they do when in the office, if you watch the cop shows
on TV, they just punch in a names and address and if you have a driver
license, your pic comes up with it.




The photo ID is a simple method to confirm the info on the card and the
photo matches the person who possesses it.

So, why would you think it's not widely available to cops electronically,
while they are conducting a traffic stop?

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 12:25:36 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 11:43:25 -0500, Meanie wrote:

On 12/18/2016 11:07 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 4:49:06 PM UTC-5, Meanie wrote:
On 12/17/2016 4:20 PM, (PeteCresswell) wrote:
Per Meanie:
Depending on the issue (infraction or investigation), will ask for
personal info, then verify with records. If it's an infraction, they can
actually detain until they verify the info. If an investigation, they
can also verify but can't detain until verification.

I am guessing that the issue will soon become moot because of
electronic/biometric means of identification: point the camera, push the
button, and back comes the person's info.


Almost but unless one has a criminal record, photos wouldn't be readily
available. Much other info is obtainable, which is why they will usually
discover if one is lying.

DRiver's licenses have photos and are readily available to LEO online.


Not true. The DMVs have the photos on file, not the police departments.
The photo ID is a simple method to confirm the info on the card and the
photo matches the person who possesses it.

I would bet the photo is available to the cop on his lap top if they
have one. Our deputy cars look like the bridge of the Enterprise these
days. They certainly have connectivity to most of the data the state
has. The guy who works community services showed me the stuff he has.
Just typing in my tag number opens a plethora of information including
access to my D/L photo, the fact that I have a CCW license and if he
pokes around a little, stuff about my boat or even fishing license. He
started getting uncomfortable at me seeing all he can see and changed
the subject. We talked about his radio for a while.

Bingo. Here in NJ some of the local cop cars have cameras mounted on
the fenders, connected to computers that read license plates as they
pass by. If that car is wanted for something, it instantly alerts
the officer. I can't imagine that with stuff like that, that they
would not have access to driver's license photos. That is very basic.
If they come across someone who claims to be Joe Smith, living at
12 Deer Lane, being able to pull a driver's license and see if that
pic is the person in front of them would seem to be like cop 101.

On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 00:53:22 -0000, wrote:

On Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:48:21 -0000, "James Wilkinson Sword"
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 02:54:06 -0000, Taxed and Spent wrote:

On 12/16/2016 4:48 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 19:48:17 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 19:10, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:26:47 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 16/12/2016 18:23, wrote:
On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-8, Bod wrote:
Commentary by *Former Deputy Sheriff Ernie Craig*

Very interesting and worth a watch (14 mins long).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHyUbMGz004

I rate this video high on my bull **** meter.

Explain!

He means:

https://tinyurl.com/guv7sqt

Aside, I don't need a Youtube video to explain my rights.

Fair enough.

The problem is cops are human and they assume only guilty people need
rights. A truly innocent person can answer all of these questions
honestly. True or not, that is probably the right thing for an
innocent person to do.
The fact remains your real rights only start when you can play your
recording to a lawyer. Great if you are guilty of something but stupid
if you aren't.
They can still make you want for a dog to have a sniff, make everyone
in the car produce ID, search for weapons, impound your car and hold
you until you produce the collateral for the traffic offense.
That is the offence they are willing to write up, not really anything
they can prove in court.
The cop is god on the side of the road with the power of life and
death. Guilty people want to get to the station as fast as possible
and innocent people should just comply and get away safe, maybe with
just a warning.


why can they make everyone, other than the driver, produce ID?

Why should people have to carry ID? This isn't Russia.

It is more just a practical thing. If you are not walking around your
neighborhood, you probably have your wallet.

I don't. I take only what I need for where I'm going. For a long distance, probably a mobile and a debit card or a bit of cash and that's it.

--
Question: Are there too many immigrants in Britain?
17% said yes, 11% said no, 72% said "I am not understanding the question please."

Oren posted for all of us...



On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:11:36 -0500, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

I have the thoughts that if you do as the law says,he should not be
allowed to touch you with very much force. Just enought to put the hand
cuffs on you if he wants to. If you do not do as he requests you, then
he can just shoot you on the spot if he wants.
Solves lots of problems.

He could slam you into the kegs :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KCJep5RV1E

Hah hah, I remember my buddy had a keg fall onto his hood when we were
young. His father held a tribunal and I had to testify. I don't think he
believed it even after the other ins co. paid off.

--
Tekkie

Cindy Hamilton posted for all of us...



On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:26:11 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-12-17, wrote:
Maryland V. Wilson and cases building on that.

Not everyone carries ID. They can't make you produce something
that you don't have. I personally never carry ID when not driving.

I always carry ID, even when I'm walking for exercise. Just in
case, y'know, I drop over from a heart attack. Then they'll know
where to send the body.

Cindy Hamilton

Good idea, I've hauled off two bodies that didn't.

--
Tekkie

posted for all of us...


The only time a cop wanted to look around my car, after digging
through empty coffee cups and Burger King wrappers on the floor for a
while, he said I could go.



I can't imagine this in your car, not your MO.

--
Tekkie

On 2016-12-19, Tekkie® wrote:
Good idea, I've hauled off two bodies that didn't.

There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification.

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Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org
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On Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:05:58 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote:

posted for all of us...


The only time a cop wanted to look around my car, after digging
through empty coffee cups and Burger King wrappers on the floor for a
while, he said I could go.



I can't imagine this in your car, not your MO.

You don't know me very well then. I haven't washed a car I wasn't
selling since the Johnson administration.
There was a mushroom growing on the floor of my 69 Corvette (the
convertible top leaked)
MAACO used my car in their ads after I had it painted to sell (2010),
then I did not sell it. It looks about like the before picture now.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/redcar.jpg

On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 6:38:14 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-12-19, Tekkie® wrote:
Good idea, I've hauled off two bodies that didn't.

There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification.

If I had a lawyer. I used to have a buddy who would work (for us)
for beer right after he got out of law school, but he no longer
practices around here.

Cindy Hamilton

Roger Blake posted for all of us...



There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification


You think he will know you from that will you had made up 25 years ago?

--
Tekkie

Cindy Hamilton posted for all of us...



On Monday, December 19, 2016 at 6:38:14 PM UTC-5, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2016-12-19, Tekkie® wrote:
Good idea, I've hauled off two bodies that didn't.

There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification.

If I had a lawyer. I used to have a buddy who would work (for us)
for beer right after he got out of law school, but he no longer
practices around here.

Cindy Hamilton

Maybe this guy is a frequent flier in need of legal assistance?

--
Tekkie

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:07:57 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote:

Roger Blake posted for all of us...



There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification


You think he will know you from that will you had made up 25 years ago?

Only if he is in it.

posted for all of us...



On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:07:57 -0500, Tekkie®
wrote:

Roger Blake posted for all of us...



There is that. However, I do keep my lawyer's business card with me.
If something like that happened he would be contacted and be able to
provide identification


You think he will know you from that will you had made up 25 years ago?

Only if he is in it.

HA! Good one.

--
Tekkie