Hi All,
I have a Craftsman Industrial 3/8" electric drill (variable speed,
reversible) with keyless chuck (model 315.271490 if you must know). I am
unable to remove the chuck according the instructions, which have me locking
in an allen wrench and hitting it clockwise with a mallet, then removing the
chuck screw by turning it clockwise, and so on.

1. I must be missing something obvious because hitting the allen wrench does
nothing except rotate the chuck. The chuck is basically free to turn so how
exactly am I supposed to be loosening anything with this task?

2. On turning the chuck screw clockwise with a screwdriver to remove it,
looking down the middle of the chuck I cannot discern any actual screw down
there.

Any advice on the above much appreciated. I am not a power tool newbie but
I feel like one in this particular case.

Thanks,
Howard

"HDH" wrote in message
t...
Hi All,
I have a Craftsman Industrial 3/8" electric drill (variable speed,
reversible) with keyless chuck (model 315.271490 if you must know). I am
unable to remove the chuck according the instructions, which have me
locking
in an allen wrench and hitting it clockwise with a mallet, then removing
the
chuck screw by turning it clockwise, and so on.

1. I must be missing something obvious because hitting the allen wrench
does
nothing except rotate the chuck. The chuck is basically free to turn so
how
exactly am I supposed to be loosening anything with this task?

The shock of hitting it "should" loosen the chuck from the shaft. I've done
it on another brand of drill and it works. Given that it has not worked yet
for you, try a larger wrench to get more leverage when you whack it.
Perhaps you'd get better results if you heated the chuck first with a hair
dryer. Make sure it is clockwise. I forget what direction it said. Give
it a good smack!
Ed

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message . com...
"HDH" wrote in message
t...
Hi All,
I have a Craftsman Industrial 3/8" electric drill (variable speed,
reversible) with keyless chuck (model 315.271490 if you must know). I am
unable to remove the chuck according the instructions, which have me
locking
in an allen wrench and hitting it clockwise with a mallet, then removing
the
chuck screw by turning it clockwise, and so on.

1. I must be missing something obvious because hitting the allen wrench
does
nothing except rotate the chuck. The chuck is basically free to turn so
how
exactly am I supposed to be loosening anything with this task?

The shock of hitting it "should" loosen the chuck from the shaft. I've done
it on another brand of drill and it works. Given that it has not worked yet
for you, try a larger wrench to get more leverage when you whack it.
Perhaps you'd get better results if you heated the chuck first with a hair
dryer. Make sure it is clockwise. I forget what direction it said. Give
it a good smack!
Ed


I don't care what you think the instructions say. The screw has to be
removed FIRST and it is usually turned clockwise to loosen. Some are
phillips and some are slotted and some are hex.
You use the mallet to rotate the chuck CCW after the screw is removed.
I happen to use a long pipe wrench on the outside of the chuck as it's
quicker and I don't care about a few more scratches on the chuck,
especially if it's worn out anyway.

The screw maybe a torx or hex head screw.

"HDH" wrote in message
t...
Hi All,
I have a Craftsman Industrial 3/8" electric drill (variable speed,
reversible) with keyless chuck (model 315.271490 if you must know). I am
unable to remove the chuck according the instructions, which have me
locking
in an allen wrench and hitting it clockwise with a mallet, then removing
the
chuck screw by turning it clockwise, and so on.

1. I must be missing something obvious because hitting the allen wrench
does
nothing except rotate the chuck. The chuck is basically free to turn so
how
exactly am I supposed to be loosening anything with this task?

2. On turning the chuck screw clockwise with a screwdriver to remove it,
looking down the middle of the chuck I cannot discern any actual screw
down
there.

Any advice on the above much appreciated. I am not a power tool newbie
but
I feel like one in this particular case.

Thanks,
Howard

replying to HDH, Roderick Tew wrote:
mine was the same way . Destroyed the chuck trying to remove it . finally got
it off , but the instruction were of NO Help.

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replying to eddy eagle, Roderick Tew wrote:
Mine had NO Screw to turn , and the chuck was "Frozen" so i couldn't
tighten it or loosen it . Finally got it off but it's Destroyed.
No matter as it was useless anyway .......

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replying to Cliff Hartle, Roderick Tew wrote:
Or , in MY case it wasn't there at all.....

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I know what you are saying because my craftsman drill is the same and no screw and hitting a fallen wrench does nothing.

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In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:15:02 +0000, Burnone
wrote:

I know what you are saying because my craftsman drill is the same and no screw and hitting a fallen wrench does nothing.

I knew a fallen wench once. I didn't call her a wench before she fell.

Burnone wrote

I know what you are saying because my craftsman drill is the same and no
screw and hitting a fallen wrench does nothing.

Unlikely its still true after 17 years.

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So is there a point to the keyless chuck anyway?

I have one on a cheap Harbor Freight tool i bought for one project, and it doesn't save any time and isn't easy to use.

I was fine using the key on all my other tools. If you lose it buy two more.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 04:45:33 -0700 (PDT), TimR
wrote:

So is there a point to the keyless chuck anyway?

I found 3 keyless chucks in the dumpster at a Black & Decker store,
about 20 years ago.

I put them on two of my drills. I like them. They're "geared" so they
can be tightened tight enough with just my hand. Not only that, on a
3/8" drill, I could not make the previous chuck small enought for the
smallest bit (1/64th?), but these will handle it.

It started off innocent enough. I was buying something at the counter
but he was still talking to the guy in front of me. He said, "Your
drill is not worth fixing. Do you want it back?" and the guy said No,
so I said, "If he doesn't want it, can I have it?" and the guy at the
counter said Sure, and handed it to me. When I got home it took a
half-hour to fix it, just by putting a washer on the armature. I still
have it. I still use it. 3/8" reversing.

Next time I was there I think I threw something in the B&D (Don't take
that the wrong way) dumpster and realized I shouldn't have, and when I
went to retrieve it I saw some broken tool that was easy to repair.
Then next time I was there I looked again, etc. Later, if I was
nearby, I stopped to look even if I didn't need anything in the store,
especially if it was after 6.

Ended up over the years with 10 or more things, including some that I
repaired, some that didn't even need repair, and some that they had
broken to stop people like me from re-using them.

The belt sander didn't need any repair, nor did the leaf-blower**, nor
the variable-speed sabre saw (better than the 2-speed one I had bought
new.) It's "a crime" that they just threw them away.

Two weed wackers had their aluminum tubes bent, on purpose, but I bought
some tubing and copied what they had looked like. They have a good
design for line-feed and I still use one of them.

Hedge trimmers, some good and some had the lexan housing with a hole
smashed in it. One hole wasn't bad enough to make it not work well, and
if I had needed the others, I would have fashioned some patch for the
hole, but they were things I had.

There were a bunch of other tools, but I'd have to look in the basement
to be reminded what they were.

Eventually I stopped because the branch with real privacy closed, the
other branch shared space with several other stores, and everything had
started to repeat itself, at most. Too many consumer appliances, too
few tools. None that I didn't already have.

**I hate leaf-blowers. I'd rather use a broom, or nothing at all.

I have one on a cheap Harbor Freight tool i bought for one project, and it doesn't save any time and isn't easy to use.

My only guess is that maybe it's not as good as the Black and Decker
version.

I was fine using the key on all my other tools. If you lose it buy two more.

I agree the key is not much of an inconvenience, but once I found them,
I wanted to use them. If I had had to pay, knowing what I know now, I
probably would not have.

TimR wrote

So is there a point to the keyless chuck anyway?

Yep, well done ones are more convenient than keyed chucks.

I have one on a cheap Harbor Freight tool i bought for one
project, and it doesn't save any time and isn't easy to use.

You should have got a better one in the first place.

I was fine using the key on all my other
tools. If you lose it buy two more.

More convenient to not have to fart around with a key.

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On 4/20/2021 7:45 AM, TimR wrote:
So is there a point to the keyless chuck anyway?

I have one on a cheap Harbor Freight tool i bought for one project, and it doesn't save any time and isn't easy to use.

I was fine using the key on all my other tools. If you lose it buy two more.


Get a decent quality tool and the chuck will work well. I've not used a
keyed drill in over 20 years.

You bought cheap, you got cheap.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:30:22 -0400, micky
wrote:


There were a bunch of other tools, but I'd have to look in the basement
to be reminded what they were.

Eventually I stopped because the branch with real privacy closed, the
other branch shared space with several other stores, and everything had
started to repeat itself, at most. Too many consumer appliances, too
few tools. None that I didn't already have.

Coffee makers. I forgot about all the coffee makers, maybe 10 of them,
all different designs, all or most with timers. I had to buy coffee
and filters to check if they worked.

Then I gave away some, to anyone I knew who might drink coffee, and
saved one in case I had a party. I did have a party but I didn't serve
coffee.


A couple clothes irons, with teflon bottoms, better than the one I had
paid for. One was smaller than average, good to travel with, if I ever
actually ironed anything anymore.


A couple things, especially coffee makers, had blown thermal fuses and I
found for sale a card with about 8 thermal fuses on it of different
sizes, but a) I didn't know what temp fuse had blown (the heat ruined
the writing on it), b) Maybe I didn't know what temp each of the new
fuses were, c) They are always crimped in, and I didn't know how to
crimp well enough with something small. I assume soldering would have
blown the fuse.


I think I've still left out a few things, like some kind of toaster
oven.

In NYC I found this beautiful electrric rotisserie on the top of a
dumpster. Complete with everything, including racks and probably the
spit, except 2 knobs. Well, I might have bought a spit. I took knobs
off a scrap TV. The roasts it made were so delicious, so perfect, so
uniform, so juicy. Unfortunately it's about 16" wide, 14" deep, and
14" tall, not even counting the spit that sticks out 5 more inches, and
if I put it on the counter, I have no room for other things. It has a
warming tray on top too, but I've not used that.

I also found an electric wheel chair next to a dumpster next to an
apartment building only 200 yards from my home. I think a few times I
had seen the guy who used it, sitting outside enjoying the sunlight and
talking to another guy with some physical handicap. Battery still
charged. I rode it home. (Too hard to push it, or even to stand next
to it and move it with the joystick. I kept tripping on it until I
actually sat in it. This is not one of those little scooter gizmos they
advertise on tv, but a heavy, full size, steel, wheelchair.)

I called a guy I knew of from the newspaper who owned a medical supply
business,and he came over to see it. He said even in the condition it
was in, used, some worn out foam rubber on the arms, that can be
replaced, it was worth $1000. My biggest find yet, by far. (Makes a
coffee maker look like small potatoes) I gave it to the Multiple
Sclerosis society (or Muscular Dystrophy. I get them mixed up.). They
came and got it, and they lend it for no charge to someone who needs it.
At the same time I had found a rack, part of which goes under a bed and
part hangs over a bed, used by people who can't otherwise sit up in bed
or get out of bad. Clearly the same guy who used the wheel chair. They
took that too.

I think what happened was that the guy died and the cleaning crew just
threw it away. My parents taught me not to throw good things away.

My mother didn't have any major handicaps, and she lived on her own, but
she had a cane, a walker, a grab bar screwed to the wall next to the
bathtub, another that clamped to the side of the bathtub, a seat for the
bathtub iirc, a "Clapper" (that she actually liked iirc) and maybe some
things I forget. When she died at age 88, I gave them all to a guy who
would then give them to people who needed them. His basement had a
bunch of stuff like that.

On 4/25/21 11:51 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:30:22 -0400, micky
wrote:

There were a bunch of other tools, but I'd have to look in the basement
to be reminded what they were.

Eventually I stopped because the branch with real privacy closed, the
other branch shared space with several other stores, and everything had
started to repeat itself, at most. Too many consumer appliances, too
few tools. None that I didn't already have.
Coffee makers. I forgot about all the coffee makers, maybe 10 of them,
all different designs, all or most with timers. I had to buy coffee
and filters to check if they worked.

Then I gave away some, to anyone I knew who might drink coffee, and
saved one in case I had a party. I did have a party but I didn't serve
coffee.


A couple clothes irons, with teflon bottoms, better than the one I had
paid for. One was smaller than average, good to travel with, if I ever
actually ironed anything anymore.


A couple things, especially coffee makers, had blown thermal fuses and I
found for sale a card with about 8 thermal fuses on it of different
sizes, but a) I didn't know what temp fuse had blown (the heat ruined
the writing on it), b) Maybe I didn't know what temp each of the new
fuses were, c) They are always crimped in, and I didn't know how to
crimp well enough with something small. I assume soldering would have
blown the fuse.


I think I've still left out a few things, like some kind of toaster
oven.

In NYC I found this beautiful electrric rotisserie on the top of a
dumpster. Complete with everything, including racks and probably the
spit, except 2 knobs. Well, I might have bought a spit. I took knobs
off a scrap TV. The roasts it made were so delicious, so perfect, so
uniform, so juicy. Unfortunately it's about 16" wide, 14" deep, and
14" tall, not even counting the spit that sticks out 5 more inches, and
if I put it on the counter, I have no room for other things. It has a
warming tray on top too, but I've not used that.

I also found an electric wheel chair next to a dumpster next to an
apartment building only 200 yards from my home. I think a few times I
had seen the guy who used it, sitting outside enjoying the sunlight and
talking to another guy with some physical handicap. Battery still
charged. I rode it home. (Too hard to push it, or even to stand next
to it and move it with the joystick. I kept tripping on it until I
actually sat in it. This is not one of those little scooter gizmos they
advertise on tv, but a heavy, full size, steel, wheelchair.)

I called a guy I knew of from the newspaper who owned a medical supply
business,and he came over to see it. He said even in the condition it
was in, used, some worn out foam rubber on the arms, that can be
replaced, it was worth $1000. My biggest find yet, by far. (Makes a
coffee maker look like small potatoes) I gave it to the Multiple
Sclerosis society (or Muscular Dystrophy. I get them mixed up.). They
came and got it, and they lend it for no charge to someone who needs it.
At the same time I had found a rack, part of which goes under a bed and
part hangs over a bed, used by people who can't otherwise sit up in bed
or get out of bad. Clearly the same guy who used the wheel chair. They
took that too.

I think what happened was that the guy died and the cleaning crew just
threw it away. My parents taught me not to throw good things away.

My mother didn't have any major handicaps, and she lived on her own, but
she had a cane, a walker, a grab bar screwed to the wall next to the
bathtub, another that clamped to the side of the bathtub, a seat for the
bathtub iirc, a "Clapper" (that she actually liked iirc) and maybe some
things I forget. When she died at age 88, I gave them all to a guy who
would then give them to people who needed them. His basement had a
bunch of stuff like that.

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On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 12:33:27 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/20/2021 7:45 AM, TimR wrote:
So is there a point to the keyless chuck anyway?

I have one on a cheap Harbor Freight tool i bought for one project, and it doesn't save any time and isn't easy to use.

I was fine using the key on all my other tools. If you lose it buy two more.

Get a decent quality tool and the chuck will work well. I've not used a
keyed drill in over 20 years.

You bought cheap, you got cheap.

My keyed chuck drill is a Bosch. It's what I reach for when I need a drill.. I have a Black and Decker, it's what I reach for when somebody asks to borrow one. My keyless chuck is on a HF cheapo hammer drill that I needed for one job and may not use again. But that one job was a pain getting the chuck to work. It held the bits fine, didn't want to release them.

On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 23:51:24 -0400, micky posted for all of us to digest...

Coffee makers. I forgot about all the coffee makers, maybe 10 of them,
all different designs, all or most with timers. I had to buy coffee
and filters to check if they worked.

Then I gave away some, to anyone I knew who might drink coffee, and
saved one in case I had a party. I did have a party but I didn't serve
coffee.


A couple clothes irons, with teflon bottoms, better than the one I had
paid for. One was smaller than average, good to travel with, if I ever
actually ironed anything anymore.


A couple things, especially coffee makers, had blown thermal fuses and I
found for sale a card with about 8 thermal fuses on it of different
sizes, but a) I didn't know what temp fuse had blown (the heat ruined
the writing on it), b) Maybe I didn't know what temp each of the new
fuses were, c) They are always crimped in, and I didn't know how to
crimp well enough with something small. I assume soldering would have
blown the fuse.


I think I've still left out a few things, like some kind of toaster
oven.

In NYC I found this beautiful electrric rotisserie on the top of a
dumpster. Complete with everything, including racks and probably the
spit, except 2 knobs. Well, I might have bought a spit. I took knobs
off a scrap TV. The roasts it made were so delicious, so perfect, so
uniform, so juicy. Unfortunately it's about 16" wide, 14" deep, and
14" tall, not even counting the spit that sticks out 5 more inches, and
if I put it on the counter, I have no room for other things. It has a
warming tray on top too, but I've not used that.

I also found an electric wheel chair next to a dumpster next to an
apartment building only 200 yards from my home. I think a few times I
had seen the guy who used it, sitting outside enjoying the sunlight and
talking to another guy with some physical handicap. Battery still
charged. I rode it home. (Too hard to push it, or even to stand next
to it and move it with the joystick. I kept tripping on it until I
actually sat in it. This is not one of those little scooter gizmos they
advertise on tv, but a heavy, full size, steel, wheelchair.)

I called a guy I knew of from the newspaper who owned a medical supply
business,and he came over to see it. He said even in the condition it
was in, used, some worn out foam rubber on the arms, that can be
replaced, it was worth $1000. My biggest find yet, by far. (Makes a
coffee maker look like small potatoes) I gave it to the Multiple
Sclerosis society (or Muscular Dystrophy. I get them mixed up.). They
came and got it, and they lend it for no charge to someone who needs it.
At the same time I had found a rack, part of which goes under a bed and
part hangs over a bed, used by people who can't otherwise sit up in bed
or get out of bad. Clearly the same guy who used the wheel chair. They
took that too.

I think what happened was that the guy died and the cleaning crew just
threw it away. My parents taught me not to throw good things away.

My mother didn't have any major handicaps, and she lived on her own, but
she had a cane, a walker, a grab bar screwed to the wall next to the
bathtub, another that clamped to the side of the bathtub, a seat for the
bathtub iirc, a "Clapper" (that she actually liked iirc) and maybe some
things I forget. When she died at age 88, I gave them all to a guy who
would then give them to people who needed them. His basement had a
bunch of stuff like that.



Good for you Micky, people need that stuff. I know at the ambulance we had a
collection of used equipment that people gave us when they were well.

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