Hi,
Our Maytag Performa washer has developed a problem that seems to be getting worse.
Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the rinse cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming coming from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you wait a few seconds,
manually stop the cycle with the control button and start it again, it will them kick in
and continue the cycle, and the rest of the other cycles.
It has done this 3 times and each time, there is a electrical burning smell. I removed the
front panel of the washer and the motor was pretty hot to the touch. I thought it might be
the starter windings in the motor, so I replaced the motor, but that didn't make any
difference and it still makes the humming and will not continue the cycle unless you do
the steps outlined above.
Is there some sort of relay or switch that could be causing this? I have a voltmeter and
know how to use it, so if someone could help me troubleshoot it, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

Update: It is not the belt. I removed the belt and tested it and it still does it. While
watching the motor and operating the control knob, when you turn it on, the motor will
quickly rotate just a touch, them stop and hum. If you repeatedly turn off/on the control
knob, sometimes there's a click, then the motor starts up. No click = the motor hums. The
humming and the click are both coming from the motor and not from the control knobs area
up on top. It sounds to me like some sort of relay or switch is sticking or not operating.
Like I posted before, I tried a new motor (as in brand new, not rebuilt) and it did
exactly the same thing. Any ideas?
Thanks again




From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

Sounds like it's just not starting. I bet if you try to move it manually,
keeping your hands out of danger, it will start and run just fine until the
power shuts it off again.

If there's an external motor starting capacitor, that's probably bad. If
there isn't, and the motor uses an additional winding inside, then either
the winding has gone bad or the centrifugal switch on the motor shaft is not
working properly. It should be closed when the motor is stopped, and then
will open when the motor spins up to speed.

There could also be a motor starting relay somewhere, at or near the motor
starting capacitor. These are certainly cheaper than the motor, and probably
easier to change. While there are ways to check these components,
replacement is probably faster and cheaper.

Bob M.
======
wrote in message
.. .
Update: It is not the belt. I removed the belt and tested it and it still
does it. While
watching the motor and operating the control knob, when you turn it on,
the motor will
quickly rotate just a touch, them stop and hum. If you repeatedly turn
off/on the control
knob, sometimes there's a click, then the motor starts up. No click = the
motor hums. The
humming and the click are both coming from the motor and not from the
control knobs area
up on top. It sounds to me like some sort of relay or switch is sticking
or not operating.
Like I posted before, I tried a new motor (as in brand new, not rebuilt)
and it did
exactly the same thing. Any ideas?
Thanks again




From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the
rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming
coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you
wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

Thanks for the reply. I replaced the motor with a new one and it didn't make a difference.
I haven't tried to manually move it while it hums since there's no safe spot to put my
hands to give it a push. When I replaced the motor, all I had to do was unplug and unbolt
it. There were no external capacitors or relays in the vicinity of the motor. If something
internally is wrong with the old motor, it's a helluva long shot that the exact thing
would be wrong with the new motor, I would think.
Any other ideas?
Thanks again.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:01:31 -0500, "Bob M." wrote:

Sounds like it's just not starting. I bet if you try to move it manually,
keeping your hands out of danger, it will start and run just fine until the
power shuts it off again.

If there's an external motor starting capacitor, that's probably bad. If
there isn't, and the motor uses an additional winding inside, then either
the winding has gone bad or the centrifugal switch on the motor shaft is not
working properly. It should be closed when the motor is stopped, and then
will open when the motor spins up to speed.

There could also be a motor starting relay somewhere, at or near the motor
starting capacitor. These are certainly cheaper than the motor, and probably
easier to change. While there are ways to check these components,
replacement is probably faster and cheaper.

Bob M.
======
wrote in message
. ..
Update: It is not the belt. I removed the belt and tested it and it still
does it. While
watching the motor and operating the control knob, when you turn it on,
the motor will
quickly rotate just a touch, them stop and hum. If you repeatedly turn
off/on the control
knob, sometimes there's a click, then the motor starts up. No click = the
motor hums. The
humming and the click are both coming from the motor and not from the
control knobs area
up on top. It sounds to me like some sort of relay or switch is sticking
or not operating.
Like I posted before, I tried a new motor (as in brand new, not rebuilt)
and it did
exactly the same thing. Any ideas?
Thanks again




From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the
rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming
coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you
wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

Well, I've been tinkering with it and it ONLY 'stalls' and hums right after filling the
tub for the rinse cycle and then going into the drain cycle. All other cycles operate
normally. With my wife operating the control knob, I took a small piece of wood and
'helped' the motor turn the belt while it was humming, as Bob suggested earlier.. As soon
as I started pushing on the belt, the motor started. This is starting to really aggravate
me since it does this with a new motor as well as the old one. Is there anyway of checking
the control knob for proper operation? Thanks again in advance.


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:44:48 -0500, "Dan O." wrote:



Thanks for the reply. I replaced the motor with a new one and it
didn't make a difference.
I haven't tried to manually move it while it hums since there's no
safe spot to put my
hands to give it a push. When I replaced the motor, all I had to do
was unplug and unbolt
it. There were no external capacitors or relays in the vicinity of
the motor. If something
internally is wrong with the old motor, it's a helluva long shot that
the exact thing
would be wrong with the new motor, I would think.
Any other ideas?

A problem in the washer's timer *might* cause such a condition but it
would depend on the design of actual Maytag model you have. Can you
determine that from the washer's electrical schematic?

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Maytag+washer

=Ð~~~~~~




On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:01:31 -0500, "Bob M." wrote:

Sounds like it's just not starting. I bet if you try to move it
manually,
keeping your hands out of danger, it will start and run just fine
until the
power shuts it off again.

If there's an external motor starting capacitor, that's probably
bad. If
there isn't, and the motor uses an additional winding inside, then
either
the winding has gone bad or the centrifugal switch on the motor
shaft is not
working properly. It should be closed when the motor is stopped, and
then
will open when the motor spins up to speed.

There could also be a motor starting relay somewhere, at or near the
motor
starting capacitor. These are certainly cheaper than the motor, and
probably
easier to change. While there are ways to check these components,
replacement is probably faster and cheaper.

Bob M.
======
wrote in message
t...
Update: It is not the belt. I removed the belt and tested it and
it still
does it. While
watching the motor and operating the control knob, when you turn
it on,
the motor will
quickly rotate just a touch, them stop and hum. If you repeatedly
turn
off/on the control
knob, sometimes there's a click, then the motor starts up. No
click = the
motor hums. The
humming and the click are both coming from the motor and not from
the
control knobs area
up on top. It sounds to me like some sort of relay or switch is
sticking
or not operating.
Like I posted before, I tried a new motor (as in brand new, not
rebuilt)
and it did
exactly the same thing. Any ideas?
Thanks again




From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub
for the
rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a
humming
coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If
you
wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

wrote

Well, I've been tinkering with it and it ONLY 'stalls' and
hums right after filling the tub for the rinse cycle and then
going into the drain cycle. All other cycles operate
normally. With my wife operating the control knob, I took
a small piece of wood and 'helped' the motor turn the
belt while it was humming, as Bob suggested earlier..
As soon as I started pushing on the belt, the motor
started. This is starting to really aggravate me since
it does this with a new motor as well as the old one.

Is there anyway of checking the control knob for
proper operation?

The control (aka timer) can be checked for proper operation by looking
at the wiring diagram and 'timing chart' on that diagram and checking
to make sure each timer contact is opening and closing when they
should.

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Maytag+washer

=Ð~~~~~~


On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:44:48 -0500, "Dan O."
wrote:



Thanks for the reply. I replaced the motor with a
new one and it didn't make a difference. I haven't
tried to manually move it while it hums since
there's no safe spot to put my hands to give it
a push. When I replaced the motor, all I had to
do was unplug and unbolt it. There were no
external capacitors or relays in the vicinity of
the motor. If something internally is wrong with
the old motor, it's a helluva long shot that the
exact thing would be wrong with the new
motor, I would think.
Any other ideas?

A problem in the washer's timer *might* cause such
a condition but it would depend on the design of
actual Maytag model you have. Can you
determine that from the washer's electrical
schematic?

Dan O.
-
Appliance411.com
http://ng.Appliance411.com/?ref411=Maytag+washer

=Ð~~~~~~




On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:01:31 -0500, "Bob M."
wrote:

Sounds like it's just not starting. I bet if you try to move it
manually,
keeping your hands out of danger, it will start and run just fine
until the
power shuts it off again.

If there's an external motor starting capacitor, that's probably
bad. If
there isn't, and the motor uses an additional winding inside, then
either
the winding has gone bad or the centrifugal switch on the motor
shaft is not
working properly. It should be closed when the motor is stopped,
and
then
will open when the motor spins up to speed.

There could also be a motor starting relay somewhere, at or near
the
motor
starting capacitor. These are certainly cheaper than the motor,
and
probably
easier to change. While there are ways to check these components,
replacement is probably faster and cheaper.

Bob M.
======
wrote in message
et...
Update: It is not the belt. I removed the belt and tested it and
it still
does it. While
watching the motor and operating the control knob, when you turn
it on,
the motor will
quickly rotate just a touch, them stop and hum. If you
repeatedly
turn
off/on the control
knob, sometimes there's a click, then the motor starts up. No
click = the
motor hums. The
humming and the click are both coming from the motor and not
from
the
control knobs area
up on top. It sounds to me like some sort of relay or switch is
sticking
or not operating.
Like I posted before, I tried a new motor (as in brand new, not
rebuilt)
and it did
exactly the same thing. Any ideas?
Thanks again




From: newsgro

Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub
for the
rinse
cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a
humming
coming
from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off.
If
you
wait a
few seconds,
manually stop the cycle

Sounds like the belt is slipping.

wrote:

Hi,
Our Maytag Performa washer has developed a problem that seems to be getting worse.
Everything works fine except for right after it fills the tub for the rinse cycle and
normally, would spin the tub to eject the water, there is a humming coming from the
washer, nothing moves, and after a few seconds, it shuts off. If you wait a few seconds,
manually stop the cycle with the control button and start it again, it will them kick in
and continue the cycle, and the rest of the other cycles.
It has done this 3 times and each time, there is a electrical burning smell. I removed the
front panel of the washer and the motor was pretty hot to the touch. I thought it might be
the starter windings in the motor, so I replaced the motor, but that didn't make any
difference and it still makes the humming and will not continue the cycle unless you do
the steps outlined above.
Is there some sort of relay or switch that could be causing this? I have a voltmeter and
know how to use it, so if someone could help me troubleshoot it, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.

Have you eliminated "transmission" or other mechanical problems? Sounds almost like something
is "catching" or binding up and increasing the torque required to rotate the tub. Might even
be a shattered or "dry" bearing.

Can you pull the power cord out of the wall at the point of the stall and try turning the
motor pulley by hand to see if you get high resistance to turning, followed by something
"snapping "loose and letting it turn freely.

There might be something hanging up in the "shifter" mechanism which directs the motor power
to the agitator or the tub spin.

Good luck,

Jeff


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"If you can keep smiling when things go wrong, you've thought of someone to place the blame
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