On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:44:17 +0100, Tekkie® wrote:

James Wilkinson posted for all of us...


The coils are hot. Excess dust will just burn off.


Set the wall on fire hot?

No. Maybe dry then, I dunno.

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 21:42:06 +0100, Tekkie® wrote:

posted for all of us...



On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 17:26:03 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

James Wilkinson posted for all of us...



And a failed neutral would give a compressor zero volts across it.


Really?
Depends where the neutral fails and what the load balance is.

I forgot where the troll exists...

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

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On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

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On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:12:42 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

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You can tell...you're not fine! ( ರ Ĺ̯ ರೃ )

Electrocution is a binary system.

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"James Wilkinson"
news alt.home.repair, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 00:34:47 +0100, Taxed and Spent
wrote:

On 8/10/2016 4:32 PM, Diesel wrote:
"James Wilkinson"
news alt.home.repair, wrote:


And a failed neutral would give a compressor zero volts across
it.

https://www.nachi.org/forum/f19/open...happens-94391/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVamt9IdQd8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Q0M32puGY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsSlQnGCvdg

Sure, but you are assuming the OP does not move to the UK.

Where we have proper electricity, not some shoddy piece of ****
split in two.

I don't know what you mean by proper electricity?

As the videos clearly show, if you lose the neutral and another
device is sharing it, but running on another leg, it can cause damage
to the device(s) that are linked together in series now because the
shared neutral went down.

Although the compressor would no longer (UK style wiring) have 240
volts going 'across' it in the event it lost the neutral, it would
still technically be 'hot' (240 volts is still coming to the device)
And potentially dangerous in this condition.


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On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:43:20 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:12:42 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

Very funny. How do you know if they were weak? If they died, they
were weak. Therefore, it only kills weak people.

Sounds something like witchcraft ordeals. They would force the a
suspected witch under water for a while, and if she died, it showed
that she wasn't a witch. It's a shame that she's dead but "we had to
know."

If she lives, she's a witch!!

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You can tell...you're not fine! ( ? ?? ?? )

Electrocution is a binary system.

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:03:46 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:53:53 +0100, Micky wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 23:00:10 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:20:39 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 4:07 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:55:34 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 3:48 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

We could always speculate on the doors of the fridge freezer being
left wide
open and the compressor running 24/7. This happens.

That wouldn't break it. Turning the compressor on and off is actually
what wears it out.

And anyway nobody would leave the fridge open ALL the time.

Open wide, no. Open a little but? Yes. not hard to do.

By accident, almost impossible.

Happened twice in my house when the shelf was overstuffed and gasket did
not close.

For what total period until you noticed it and corrected the problem?

Even a 1/4" crack ca cause a lot of ice buildup.

Which would cause you to do something about it.

Yes, when you spot it the next morning.

That isn't 24/7. The 7 part is missing. The compressor won't mind a night. How do you think a freezer manages when you first put it on?

I doubt if it runs for more than 4 hours then. As I posted, I've
had the big door open an inch and my fridge probably running for 24
hours straight.

Freezer almost filled with food from room temperature with loads of food put in it at once, takes way more than 4 hours. This must happen a lot - some people buy meat in bulk or go berry picking etc, or do a lot of home baking.

It would never occur to me to first put a freezer on when the food
ready to go into it, to fill a freezer with food without turning it on
and cooling it down first. If I had meat coming, I'd turn the freezer
on in advance, and if I were baking, I'd turn the freezer on when I
started.

On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 3:36:23 AM UTC-5, Micky wrote:
On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:43:20 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:12:42 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

Very funny. How do you know if they were weak? If they died, they
were weak. Therefore, it only kills weak people.

Sounds something like witchcraft ordeals. They would force the a
suspected witch under water for a while, and if she died, it showed
that she wasn't a witch. It's a shame that she's dead but "we had to
know."

If she lives, she's a witch!!


....now we can burn her!

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:35:56 +0100, Micky wrote:

On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:43:20 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 23:12:42 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 5:09:28 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:32:45 +0100, bob_villa wrote:

On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 4:16:25 PM UTC-5, James Wilkinson wrote:

In a land of straightforward voltage where less things go wrong.

We also have the same voltage you have in every home...it is not used in appliances because there would be more deaths from electrocution if it were!
Now, who is the smart one spouting off...certainly not you. (Also, P=IE proves you are also wrong)

240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.

Very funny. How do you know if they were weak? If they died, they
were weak. Therefore, it only kills weak people.

Exactly correct, why are you talking to yourself?

Sounds something like witchcraft ordeals. They would force the a
suspected witch under water for a while, and if she died, it showed
that she wasn't a witch. It's a shame that she's dead but "we had to
know."

If she lives, she's a witch!!

Except in this case the good guys live.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:39:43 +0100, Micky wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:03:46 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:53:53 +0100, Micky wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 23:00:10 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:20:39 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 4:07 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:55:34 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 3:48 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

We could always speculate on the doors of the fridge freezer being
left wide
open and the compressor running 24/7. This happens.

That wouldn't break it. Turning the compressor on and off is actually
what wears it out.

And anyway nobody would leave the fridge open ALL the time.

Open wide, no. Open a little but? Yes. not hard to do.

By accident, almost impossible.

Happened twice in my house when the shelf was overstuffed and gasket did
not close.

For what total period until you noticed it and corrected the problem?

Even a 1/4" crack ca cause a lot of ice buildup.

Which would cause you to do something about it.

Yes, when you spot it the next morning.

That isn't 24/7. The 7 part is missing. The compressor won't mind a night. How do you think a freezer manages when you first put it on?

I doubt if it runs for more than 4 hours then. As I posted, I've
had the big door open an inch and my fridge probably running for 24
hours straight.

Freezer almost filled with food from room temperature with loads of food put in it at once, takes way more than 4 hours. This must happen a lot - some people buy meat in bulk or go berry picking etc, or do a lot of home baking.

It would never occur to me to first put a freezer on when the food
ready to go into it, to fill a freezer with food without turning it on
and cooling it down first. If I had meat coming, I'd turn the freezer
on in advance, and if I were baking, I'd turn the freezer on when I
started.

The main thing that needs cooled is the food. Cooling down the walls of the freezer, the little bit of food already in it, and the air which will all escape while you load it is utterly pointless.

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On Fri, 12 Aug 2016 04:39:43 -0400, Micky
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:03:46 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 18:53:53 +0100, Micky wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 23:00:10 +0100, "James Wilkinson"
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:20:39 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 4:07 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:
On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:55:34 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/10/2016 3:48 PM, James Wilkinson wrote:

We could always speculate on the doors of the fridge freezer being
left wide
open and the compressor running 24/7. This happens.

That wouldn't break it. Turning the compressor on and off is actually
what wears it out.

And anyway nobody would leave the fridge open ALL the time.

Open wide, no. Open a little but? Yes. not hard to do.

By accident, almost impossible.

Happened twice in my house when the shelf was overstuffed and gasket did
not close.

For what total period until you noticed it and corrected the problem?

Even a 1/4" crack ca cause a lot of ice buildup.

Which would cause you to do something about it.

Yes, when you spot it the next morning.

That isn't 24/7. The 7 part is missing. The compressor won't mind a night. How do you think a freezer manages when you first put it on?

I doubt if it runs for more than 4 hours then. As I posted, I've
had the big door open an inch and my fridge probably running for 24
hours straight.

Freezer almost filled with food from room temperature with loads of food put in it at once, takes way more than 4 hours. This must happen a lot - some people buy meat in bulk or go berry picking etc, or do a lot of home baking.

It would never occur to me to first put a freezer on when the food
ready to go into it, to fill a freezer with food without turning it on
and cooling it down first. If I had meat coming, I'd turn the freezer
on in advance, and if I were baking, I'd turn the freezer on when I
started.

You are missing the point. How many BTUs does it take to cool 13 cu ft
of air at 70F and 35% RH to 0F??

A few.. At 800 BTU/hr, only a few minutes. SH of dry air is something
like .24 btu/lb with air weighing about 0.0807 lb/cu ft. 17 cu ft
weighs about 1.4 lbs, +/- - roughly 100 degree lbs to cool from 70F to
0F, at .24BTU/ degree lb, - about 24 BTU. At 800 BTU/hr or about 13.3
BTU per minute, That's just a couple minutes to cool the air, plus
however long it takes to cool down the racks and the plastic lining of
the freezer -definitely less than half an hour

So now your freezer is cold. Throw in about 10 cu ft of beef at 40F.
At 40 lb per cu ft that is 400 lbs of beef, and 16000 lb degrees.. At
about 0 .66 BTU per degree lb, and 16000 lb degrees, you are looking
at about 11000 BTUs, +/- to cool that beef..
With an average chest freezer cooling capacity of 800 BTU per hour
that freezer will work overetime for about 13 hours just to cool that
beef. That's assuming it came straight from the chiller at 40F and
wasn't in your car for half an hour or more coming home from the
butcher shop.

I know from experience there is a lot of heat pumped out of that
freezer when 2 sides of beef are loaded in.. The last time we bought
only a quarter and the freezer ran steady for over 6 hours ( and it
wasn't warm or empty when it was loaded)

James Wilkinson posted for all of us...



240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.


The docs say different.

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:19:33 +0100, Tekkie® wrote:

James Wilkinson posted for all of us...



240V only kills weak people. I've had several shocks and I'm fine.


The docs say different.

Well clearly they are wrong on several occasions.

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