I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?

On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Reminds me of something.

My city publishes the phone numbers of various city services, it seems
there is a department for everything.

I am not a busy body and have never called to report a problem if
someone in my neighborhood is doing something wrong...but one day I made
an exception.


A young couple had an entire pickup truck loaded with a bunch of junk
that looked like it had been hauled out of a river.


They pulled up to a park near my house and right in broad daylight...and
worse still...laughing about it...unloaded the entire truck right on the
corner.

I did not confront them, but jotted down their plate number.

When I tried to report it to the "illegal dumping" helpline they had
zero idea how to handle it and I spent a lot of time on the phone being
transferred from one department to the next until I finally gave up.


Turned out to be a good thing because I found out later the city had a
river cleanup day, and those two kids were volunteers who simply put the
trash at a designated pick up site. The next day a truck came and hauled
it away.

On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?


sheesh

On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

On 04/27/2016 06:43 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's







I was a member of an organization that had a fully wheel chair compliant
bathroom. I asked why?

The president told me it was a requirement made by the building
inspector in order to get an occupancy permit.


Ok, fair enough.

The fact that the bathroom was on the 2nd floor and no way for a
wheelchair to get up there...did not seem to matter.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:11:52 -0400, Micky
wrote:

I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?

Maybe it's wide enough for a "Seeing Eye Horse".

Hey, dont laugh. They are now using miniature horses in place of dogs
for blind people. They say these small horses are smarter, and one of
the biggest advantages is that they live a lot longer. By the time a dog
is trained to lead a blind person, half it's life is gone. Whereas these
small horses generally live to be at least 25 years old, and some live
into their 40s.

As far as that store, the sign, and the cashier, it appears they dont do
a very good job training their cashiers, if they dont know what that
sign means. Next time you go there, ask to speak to the manager, and see
if he/she knows what it means. (my guess: they wont know either).
All I can think is that they might have a braille capable printer which
can print a receipt in braille. (just a guess, but they do have braille
books in libraries). Also, look for braille on or along the edge of the
counter, so blind people can identify their aisle number. Look for
something like that....

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:14:35 -0500, philo wrote:

I was a member of an organization that had a fully wheel chair compliant
bathroom. I asked why?


I have always wondered why they dont make wheelchairs that have a hole
in the seat, so a handicapped person can park their wheelchair over a
toilet and take a **** without leaving their chair. . . . . . .

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:43:56 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Blind people are allowed to sit in the back seat of vehicles.
Blind people take taxis.
Blind people deserve as much privacy regarding their financial transactions
as anyone does.
Blind people don't want to give their ATM card and pin number to the driver.

Granted, this doesn't address the issue of touchscreen ATM's. However, instructions on how to use a touchscreen ATM are available from banking
institutions, just for the asking. In addition, headphone jacks are
available on most ATM's. The audio instructions can walk the blind user
through the required steps so that they can (privately) transact their
business - using the Braille keypad.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:00:09 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:43:56 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Blind people are allowed to sit in the back seat of vehicles.
Blind people take taxis.
Blind people deserve as much privacy regarding their financial transactions
as anyone does.
Blind people don't want to give their ATM card and pin number to the driver.

ATM manufacturers don't make different faces for drive-up versus walk-up
ATMS.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:21:30 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:00:09 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:43:56 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Blind people are allowed to sit in the back seat of vehicles.
Blind people take taxis.
Blind people deserve as much privacy regarding their financial transactions
as anyone does.
Blind people don't want to give their ATM card and pin number to the driver.

ATM manufacturers don't make different faces for drive-up versus walk-up
ATMS.

Cindy Hamilton

That may be true, but that is not the reason they have Braille on the drive-up
machines.

The main reason is Section 4.34 of the ADA Accessibility Guidelines for
Buildings and Facilities

4.34 Automated Teller Machines.

4.34.5 Equipment for Persons with Vision Impairments. Instructions and all
information for use shall be made accessible to and independently usable by
persons with vision impairments.

https://www.access-board.gov/guideli...und/adaag#4.34

On 04/27/2016 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:14:35 -0500, philo wrote:

I was a member of an organization that had a fully wheel chair compliant
bathroom. I asked why?


I have always wondered why they dont make wheelchairs that have a hole
in the seat, so a handicapped person can park their wheelchair over a
toilet and take a **** without leaving their chair. . . . . . .




It would still be kind of a good idea to pull down their pants first.


BTW:I saw a wheelchair on-line the other day that instead of wheels had
hard rubber spokes and could go up stairs

Not at all like the tank-tread type I saw when I Googled just now

Unquestionably Confused wrote in news:5720a5f8$0$2914
:

[...]
Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Cheaper for the ATM manufacturers to make one style of machine, with Braille, for all locations
walk-up or drive-up, than to make one with and one without.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 6:05:34 PM UTC-4, Doug Miller wrote:
Unquestionably Confused wrote in news:5720a5f8$0$2914
:

[...]
Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Cheaper for the ATM manufacturers to make one style of machine, with Braille, for all locations
walk-up or drive-up, than to make one with and one without.

As stated earlier...not the root cause.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:10:42 -0500, philo wrote:


I was a member of an organization that had a fully wheel chair compliant
bathroom. I asked why?


I have always wondered why they dont make wheelchairs that have a hole
in the seat, so a handicapped person can park their wheelchair over a
toilet and take a **** without leaving their chair. . . . . . .




It would still be kind of a good idea to pull down their pants first.


Ya think......

BTW:I saw a wheelchair on-line the other day that instead of wheels had
hard rubber spokes and could go up stairs

Not at all like the tank-tread type I saw when I Googled just now

I just recently saw one of those tank-tread w-chairs. Quite a device,
but I dont think I'd want to pay the price!!!

On 4/27/2016 2:00 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:43:56 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Blind people are allowed to sit in the back seat of vehicles.
Blind people take taxis.
Blind people deserve as much privacy regarding their financial transactions
as anyone does.
Blind people don't want to give their ATM card and pin number to the driver.

Granted, this doesn't address the issue of touchscreen ATM's. However, instructions on how to use a touchscreen ATM are available from banking
institutions, just for the asking. In addition, headphone jacks are
available on most ATM's. The audio instructions can walk the blind user
through the required steps so that they can (privately) transact their
business - using the Braille keypad.

Good catch and I'll admit that I only gave passing thought to the
driveup ATMs and then ran with the obvious joke/ludicrousness of the
situation.

Now, if you can give a logical explanation for the previously mentioned
court call monitors, I can die a happy man!

On 4/27/2016 2:21 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 3:00:09 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 7:43:56 AM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
[snip]


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

Blind people are allowed to sit in the back seat of vehicles.
Blind people take taxis.
Blind people deserve as much privacy regarding their financial transactions
as anyone does.
Blind people don't want to give their ATM card and pin number to the driver.

ATM manufacturers don't make different faces for drive-up versus walk-up
ATMS.

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

On 04/27/2016 09:31 PM, wrote:

Ya think......

BTW:I saw a wheelchair on-line the other day that instead of wheels had
hard rubber spokes and could go up stairs

Not at all like the tank-tread type I saw when I Googled just now

I just recently saw one of those tank-tread w-chairs. Quite a device,
but I dont think I'd want to pay the price!!!




Can't find the link now but the one I saw was a lot simpler...but a
prototype


If it's any good and really works, it will probably go into production

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I only use ATMs at my own bank.

Cindy Hamilton

philo posted for all of us...



On 04/27/2016 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 07:14:35 -0500, philo wrote:

I was a member of an organization that had a fully wheel chair compliant
bathroom. I asked why?


I have always wondered why they dont make wheelchairs that have a hole
in the seat, so a handicapped person can park their wheelchair over a
toilet and take a **** without leaving their chair. . . . . . .




It would still be kind of a good idea to pull down their pants first.


BTW:I saw a wheelchair on-line the other day that instead of wheels had
hard rubber spokes and could go up stairs

Not at all like the tank-tread type I saw when I Googled just now

Like the Track Chairs that Bill O'Reilly is trying to get for veterans that
need them so they can try to resume a somewhat normal life. Independence
Fund 30k a chair.

--
Tekkie

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 05:20:08 -0500, philo wrote:

On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Reminds me of something.

My city publishes the phone numbers of various city services, it seems
there is a department for everything.

I am not a busy body and have never called to report a problem if
someone in my neighborhood is doing something wrong...but one day I made
an exception.


A young couple had an entire pickup truck loaded with a bunch of junk
that looked like it had been hauled out of a river.


They pulled up to a park near my house and right in broad daylight...and
worse still...laughing about it...unloaded the entire truck right on the
corner.

I did not confront them, but jotted down their plate number.

When I tried to report it to the "illegal dumping" helpline they had
zero idea how to handle it and I spent a lot of time on the phone being
transferred from one department to the next until I finally gave up.

So what makes them an illegal dumping helpline? Isn't your call the
essence of what they should be handling?


Turned out to be a good thing because I found out later the city had a
river cleanup day,

So you're judgment about what the stuff was was correct!

and those two kids were volunteers who simply put the
trash at a designated pick up site. The next day a truck came and hauled
it away.

That's good to here.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 06:43:29 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
wrote:

On 4/27/2016 6:08 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?

LOL! Probably another unintended consequence of the ADA (Americans with
Disabilities Act)

That sounds right, and I found
http://dredf.org/legal-advocacy/laws...rocery-stores/
It had quite a bit about check out lines, and some stuff about blind,
but nothing about checkout lines for blind or limited vision.



Local courthouse has electronic monitors displaying which courtroom is
hearing which cases. Very similar to the electronic displays showing
flights at the airport.

Mounted in portrait mode in the wall of the hallway with the bottom edge
of the frame about 6' off the floor there are small signs in Braille
telling the "viewer" which courtroom the monitor pertains to.

Absolutely brilliant. Not!

Nearly as handy as the Braille signage on the DRIVE UP ATM's

On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I only use ATMs at my own bank.

I thought you meant the walk-up ATMs at the banks themselves. They
are the same as drive-up, ime.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:10:07 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 03:11:52 -0400, Micky
wrote:

I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?

Maybe it's wide enough for a "Seeing Eye Horse".

Hey, dont laugh. They are now using miniature horses in place of dogs
for blind people. They say these small horses are smarter, and one of
the biggest advantages is that they live a lot longer. By the time a dog
is trained to lead a blind person, half it's life is gone. Whereas these
small horses generally live to be at least 25 years old, and some live
into their 40s.

As far as that store, the sign, and the cashier, it appears they dont do
a very good job training their cashiers, if they dont know what that
sign means. Next time you go there, ask to speak to the manager, and see
if he/she knows what it means. (my guess: they wont know either).
All I can think is that they might have a braille capable printer which
can print a receipt in braille. (just a guess, but they do have braille
books in libraries). Also, look for braille on or along the edge of the
counter, so blind people can identify their aisle number. Look for
something like that....

Well, I don't know what the aisle number is so why should they?

The braille receipt is a possibility, but either they and I would
notice the receipt had braille, or they would have to turn it on when
applicable. I was back at the same store and asked a cashier in a
different lane, and he hadn't noticed and didn't know.

I go to the store once a week or more and in all these years, I don't
even remember seeing someone I could tell was blind or with limited
vision. Picking out the food must be the hard part so maybe they go
to stores with more help. I'll look into this maybe.

In article , philo
wrote:

On 04/27/2016 02:11 AM, Micky wrote:
I was in a supermarket the other day and two checkout lanes had signs
with a line representation of a wheelchair. I assume the lanes were
wide enough for a wheel chair.

But two other lanes had signs with a representation of a blind man
with a cane. One was my lane so I asked the cashier if he had special
skills for dealing with the blind. He said, Huh? I pointed to the
sign and he said he didn't know what it meant.

Do you? Do you know any word associated with the idea?




Just had my coffee and woke up


So, a blind man would see that sign?


sheesh

legally blind doesn't necessarily mean you can't see

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:21:42 -0400, Micky wrote:

Picking out the food must be the hard part

They have a smartphone app that scans the UPC and says what the product is
out loud.

For fresh food, there is always a UPC close by. I'm not sure how close one
needs to be with the smartphone if the UPC is close to the ceiling.

In either case, one can write a greasemonkey app to combine the info with
weekly advertising flyers to get the current pricing.

--
http://mduffy.x10host.com/index.htm

On 4/29/2016 7:25 AM, Mike Duffy wrote:
They have a smartphone app that scans the UPC and says what the product is
out loud.

And, before that, there were personal, non-contact (i.e., laser) scanners
that could be loaded with a database of UPC-description information
(which, unfortunately, is often not intended to be HEARD spoken as it
often contains abbreviations). Any UPC code not found in the database
could be "annotated" with the user's own spoken voice.

This ensures the user can figure out what all those items are, AGAIN,
when he gets them home.

Note that UPC databases aren't "open". And, that there might be multiple
different UPC labels on a product (e.g., in the case of two off-the-shelf
items packaged together for a "bulk" sale)

For fresh food, there is always a UPC close by. I'm not sure how close one
needs to be with the smartphone if the UPC is close to the ceiling.

In either case, one can write a greasemonkey app to combine the info with
weekly advertising flyers to get the current pricing.

What about all the items that are NOT on sale?

And, given how hard it is to find an item in a store when you're sighted,
how do you figure out which aisle has the "baked beans"?

Then, how do you figure out where they are located IN THAT AISLE?

And, how do you find the "hickory smoked" variety of a particular
manufacturer?

Of course, all of this is predicated on you either having prepared a list of
the items that you need before arriving at the store; or, shopping "by feel"
("I think I'll buy some beans, today"). Note that, unlike sighted shoppers,
you don't have all those visual cues to SUGGEST products in which you might
be interested ("Ah, beans! I haven't had those in a while!").

If, OTOH, a friend happened to give you a ride home from work and asked
if you wanted to make a quick run into the local PigglyWiggly on your
way home, that list you've been putting together AT HOME doesn't do you
much good!

Gee, too bad you couldn't phone your refrigerator and ASK IT what you need!

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 1:17:22 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I only use ATMs at my own bank.

I thought you meant the walk-up ATMs at the banks themselves. They
are the same as drive-up, ime.

Cindy Hamilton

Yes. I thought you might have been talking about ATMs in
convenience stores and the like. I don't think I've ever
seen a standalone, drive-up ATM, but I don't really pay
that much attention.

Hence my deferral to your knowledge, since I know I'm
oblivious to "foreign" ATMs. I'd have to be in a real
emergency (and somehow also need cash rather than a
credit card) to stick my ATM card in anything but my
own bank's machine.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 3:38:55 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 1:17:22 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I only use ATMs at my own bank.

I thought you meant the walk-up ATMs at the banks themselves. They
are the same as drive-up, ime.

Cindy Hamilton

Yes. I thought you might have been talking about ATMs in
convenience stores and the like. I don't think I've ever
seen a standalone, drive-up ATM, but I don't really pay
that much attention.


This is a total and complete guess:

The profit made on an "independent" ATM isn't high enough to justify
the expense of a drive-up ATM. When I think of the infrastructure involved
as well as the maintenance, I just don't see it covered by the fees
charged.

Sit a machine inside a convenience store, plug it into their power and
toss them $0.50 (?) a transaction (or lease/own it in your own store)
and I can see it eventually turning a profit.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:25:25 -0400, Mike Duffy
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 01:21:42 -0400, Micky wrote:

Picking out the food must be the hard part

They have a smartphone app that scans the UPC and says what the product is
out loud.

If they are blind, how can they find the UPC?

For fresh food, there is always a UPC close by.

Same question.

I'm not sure how close one
needs to be with the smartphone if the UPC is close to the ceiling.

In either case, one can write a greasemonkey app to combine the info with
weekly advertising flyers to get the current pricing.

I think they are ready to pay what the store charges, but they can't
tell what they have in their hands.

On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:05:48 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 3:38:55 PM UTC-4, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
On Friday, April 29, 2016 at 1:17:22 AM UTC-4, Micky wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 27, 2016 at 10:47:41 PM UTC-4, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

I'm not sure that that is the case, Cindy. Most drive-up ATM's I'm
aware of are on bank premises. Those ATM's generally are set up to
accept deposits as well, aren't they? That is going to require an
entirely different set up.

I defer to your superior knowledge. I only use ATMs at my own bank.

I thought you meant the walk-up ATMs at the banks themselves. They
are the same as drive-up, ime.

Cindy Hamilton

Yes. I thought you might have been talking about ATMs in
convenience stores and the like. I don't think I've ever
seen a standalone, drive-up ATM, but I don't really pay
that much attention.

In California they probably have them. They have drive up mortuaries,
where you can see the departed through the window.


This is a total and complete guess:

The profit made on an "independent" ATM isn't high enough to justify
the expense of a drive-up ATM. When I think of the infrastructure involved
as well as the maintenance, I just don't see it covered by the fees
charged.

Had a case just this week when an ATM in a car wash was destroyed by a
fire. They seemed to be using real numbers when they said their
commission for someone geting money was $2, and half went to the owner
of the machine and half went to the carwash owner. That they agreed
on. They were fighting about how much of the fire insurance money the
ATM owner would get. (The insurance had paid the car wash owner.) He
got about 1600.

Sit a machine inside a convenience store, plug it into their power and
toss them $0.50 (?) a transaction (or lease/own it in your own store)
and I can see it eventually turning a profit.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:59:34 -0400, Micky wrote:

If they are blind, how can they find the UPC?

Just point the camera at the product. Flip it around as needed. (The
product container, not the phone.)

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On 04/30/2016 02:04 AM, Micky wrote:

[snip]

In California they probably have them. They have drive up mortuaries,
where you can see the departed through the window.

I've seen a drive-up liquor store.

[snip]

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"The truths of religion are never so well understood as by those who
have lost their power of reasoning." [Voltaire, Philosophical
Dictionary, 1764]

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 17:22:42 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote:

On 04/30/2016 02:04 AM, Micky wrote:

[snip]

In California they probably have them. They have drive up mortuaries,
where you can see the departed through the window.

I've seen a drive-up liquor store.

[snip]

I haven't seen that, but I was on the phone one time with a girl who
ran out of something and had it delivered. I've never needed liquor
so bad I couldn't just buy it when I was out.

She had been telling me how I could be in charge of her father's data
processing department, after we were married I guess. But later she
said, Oh, I was just drunk when I said that.

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 09:38:15 -0400, Mike Duffy
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Apr 2016 02:59:34 -0400, Micky wrote:

If they are blind, how can they find the UPC?

Just point the camera at the product. Flip it around as needed. (The
product container, not the phone.)

If you flip the phone around you'll see my UPC.