These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

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"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

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They work fine in some cases. If the bolt is rusted in to where the
origional head twisted out, they may not work unless you soak the bolt wth
some penetrating oil over night. Then it may be doubtful.

At work we had some rotating machinery that would shear off the bolt heads
and they worked fine for removing them. Sometimes the bolts with hex heads
or other sloted heads would wear out and while the bolt was tight , it was
not rusted in. They work fine for that also.

One of the tricks is to make sure the hole you drill is centered in the
bolt. We often used 'left hand' drill bits to drill the hole and sometimes
the bolts would spin out while doing the drilling.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 11:23:33 AM UTC-4, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Mr Macaw" wrote in message news
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

--

They work fine in some cases. If the bolt is rusted in to where the
origional head twisted out, they may not work unless you soak the bolt wth
some penetrating oil over night. Then it may be doubtful.

At work we had some rotating machinery that would shear off the bolt heads
and they worked fine for removing them. Sometimes the bolts with hex heads
or other sloted heads would wear out and while the bolt was tight , it was
not rusted in. They work fine for that also.

One of the tricks is to make sure the hole you drill is centered in the
bolt. We often used 'left hand' drill bits to drill the hole and sometimes
the bolts would spin out while doing the drilling.

+1

I've used them with success. Someone commented that if the bolt is so
stuck that the head twisted off, then the screw extractor can't help.
That ignores the fact that with smaller bolts at least, the hole you
drill helps relieve the holding pressure on the bolt.

On 3/31/2016 7:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Sir, pay no heed to these other "fantasy" handymen. I can assure you
they work just fine, but not alone, mind you. One must first create a
depression in the surface of that which is to be extracted, so that the
easy out can burrow deep within and take purchase.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:38:05 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Sir, pay no heed to these other "fantasy" handymen. I can assure you
they work just fine, but not alone, mind you. One must first create a
depression in the surface of that which is to be extracted, so that the
easy out can burrow deep within and take purchase.

Are you not meant to drill all the way in so the easy out isn't tapping at all?

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On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 1:24:01 PM UTC-4, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:38:05 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Sir, pay no heed to these other "fantasy" handymen. I can assure you
they work just fine, but not alone, mind you. One must first create a
depression in the surface of that which is to be extracted, so that the
easy out can burrow deep within and take purchase.

Are you not meant to drill all the way in so the easy out isn't tapping at all?



Depression? You drill a HOLE for the easy out.

On 3/31/2016 10:23 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:38:05 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Sir, pay no heed to these other "fantasy" handymen. I can assure you
they work just fine, but not alone, mind you. One must first create a
depression in the surface of that which is to be extracted, so that the
easy out can burrow deep within and take purchase.

Are you not meant to drill all the way in so the easy out isn't tapping
at all?


That's a BIG NEGATIVE on that one, good buddy. Just far enough in so
that yer easy out can grab a'hold.
Roger that?

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:
On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

They work IF you can drill a hole into the screw so you can insert them.
Big "if".

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:58:53 +0100, dadiOH wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:
On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

They work IF you can drill a hole into the screw so you can insert them.
Big "if".

Why would that be a problem?

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Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:58:53 +0100, dadiOH wrote:

Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:06 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke
wrote:
On 3/31/2016 7:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Over hear they are called Easy Outs.
I've used 'em in my many handymanish wanderings, so to speak.

Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?

They work IF you can drill a hole into the screw so you can insert
them. Big "if".

Why would that be a problem?

Depends upon the size (diameter) of the screw. I use a lot of #8
screws...trying to drill a vertical hole into that, deep enough for the
extractor and leaving enough meat in the screw for the extractor is pretty
much an exercise in futility.

On 03/31/2016 08:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Yes. Of course if you manage to break the extractor off you're totally
screwed since they are hardened. Depending upon the location you might
learn about EDM and I don't mean dance music.

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.

On 2016-04-01, rbowman wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.

I'll be doing some deck repair, so that is a welcome tip. Thnx.

nb

On 3/31/2016 6:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 08:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Yes. Of course if you manage to break the extractor off you're totally
screwed since they are hardened. Depending upon the location you might
learn about EDM and I don't mean dance music.

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.


How the **** you gonna use a bench drill on a gawddamned wall?

On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:43:13 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 6:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 08:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Yes. Of course if you manage to break the extractor off you're totally
screwed since they are hardened. Depending upon the location you might
learn about EDM and I don't mean dance music.

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.


How the **** you gonna use a bench drill on a gawddamned wall?

Who said to use a bench drill?

--
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:43:13 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 6:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 08:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Yes. Of course if you manage to break the extractor off you're totally
screwed since they are hardened. Depending upon the location you might
learn about EDM and I don't mean dance music.

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.


How the **** you gonna use a bench drill on a gawddamned wall?

Eat your weetabix first.


--
The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners.

On 04/01/2016 11:43 AM, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:
On 3/31/2016 6:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/31/2016 08:36 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
Yes, easy out was the first term I heard, a brand name presumably.

Do they actually work?


Yes. Of course if you manage to break the extractor off you're totally
screwed since they are hardened. Depending upon the location you might
learn about EDM and I don't mean dance music.

http://www.amazon.com/Alden-8430P-Gr.../dp/B000H6PM32

Those work extremely well. They really shine where you have a stripped
out Philips or Torx head. Deck screws in particular tend to be a bitch
to remove. You do need a healthy reversing drill motor.


How the **** you gonna use a bench drill on a gawddamned wall?

Where do you see 'bench drill'?

On 03/31/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239




They are of limited usefulness.

If the screw is locked to the point of having it's head break off, one
of those extractors will not work.

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:55 +0100, philo wrote:

On 03/31/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

They are of limited usefulness.

If the screw is locked to the point of having it's head break off, one
of those extractors will not work.

Often the screw head breaks off because it's rusty. Or more often, the head has not snapped off, but you've damaged the phillips shape etc.

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On 03/31/2016 09:37 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:55 +0100, philo wrote:

On 03/31/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

They are of limited usefulness.

If the screw is locked to the point of having it's head break off, one
of those extractors will not work.

Often the screw head breaks off because it's rusty. Or more often, the
head has not snapped off, but you've damaged the phillips shape etc.




If it's rusty, no harm in trying penetrating oil.


If the screw is not seized up but the slot is simply stripped, the
extractor may very well work.

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:48:04 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 03/31/2016 09:37 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:55 +0100, philo wrote:

On 03/31/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

They are of limited usefulness.

If the screw is locked to the point of having it's head break off, one
of those extractors will not work.

Often the screw head breaks off because it's rusty. Or more often, the
head has not snapped off, but you've damaged the phillips shape etc.




If it's rusty, no harm in trying penetrating oil.


If the screw is not seized up but the slot is simply stripped, the
extractor may very well work.

Honda uses short #3 Phillips screws to hold their rotors on during assembly
at the factory. By the time you need to change the rotors, the screws are
often seized in the hub. YouTube has all sorts of videos showing the "best"
technique for getting them out. Of course, the "best" technique differs
from video to video.

I've never tried a screw extractor but I've have drilled the heads off
of one set of rotor screws (8 screws total).

In all other cases (10 rotors in total) I've been able to get them out
by using the the following method:

1 - Spray the screws with PB Blaster and let it work for a few hours
2 - Put a vice grip on the shaft of a #3 Phillips screwdriver
3 - With the screwdriver held firmly in the screw, rap the end of the
handle with a hammer while using the vice grips to apply turning torque
on the screw.

After a few raps, they tend to (hopefully) break free.

Honda rotors (and many aftermarket rotors for Honda) also have threaded
holes in their rotors so you can screw a bolt in against the hub and pop
the rotor off.

On 03/31/2016 10:56 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 10:48:04 AM UTC-4, philo wrote:
On 03/31/2016 09:37 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:34:55 +0100, philo wrote:

On 03/31/2016 09:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

They are of limited usefulness.

If the screw is locked to the point of having it's head break off, one
of those extractors will not work.

Often the screw head breaks off because it's rusty. Or more often, the
head has not snapped off, but you've damaged the phillips shape etc.




If it's rusty, no harm in trying penetrating oil.


If the screw is not seized up but the slot is simply stripped, the
extractor may very well work.

Honda uses short #3 Phillips screws to hold their rotors on during assembly
at the factory. By the time you need to change the rotors, the screws are
often seized in the hub. YouTube has all sorts of videos showing the "best"
technique for getting them out. Of course, the "best" technique differs
from video to video.

I've never tried a screw extractor but I've have drilled the heads off
of one set of rotor screws (8 screws total).

In all other cases (10 rotors in total) I've been able to get them out
by using the the following method:

1 - Spray the screws with PB Blaster and let it work for a few hours
2 - Put a vice grip on the shaft of a #3 Phillips screwdriver
3 - With the screwdriver held firmly in the screw, rap the end of the
handle with a hammer while using the vice grips to apply turning torque
on the screw.

After a few raps, they tend to (hopefully) break free.

Honda rotors (and many aftermarket rotors for Honda) also have threaded
holes in their rotors so you can screw a bolt in against the hub and pop
the rotor off.




If the parts can take it, often heating with a propane torch will loosen
things up.

OD expands a fraction more than ID

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:27:02 AM UTC-7, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Have a set from Snap-On, but have rarely use them. Usually, after drilling thru a busted bolt or whatever, the harden steel extractor breaks off making the problem way worse (time for a carbide bit)
The problem comes because the hole ya drilled went off center and into the structure, preventing the proper use of the tool.
Extracting busted bolts is an "art"
I'd suggest buying a set of "reverse" Cobalt drills.
These usually work if you drill straight down thur the "problem" (unless it's hopeless rusted in place)

On 3/31/2016 7:48 AM, Shade Tree Guy wrote:
On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:27:02 AM UTC-7, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Have a set from Snap-On, but have rarely use them. Usually, after drilling thru a busted bolt or whatever, the harden steel extractor breaks off making the problem way worse (time for a carbide bit)
The problem comes because the hole ya drilled went off center and into the structure, preventing the proper use of the tool.
Extracting busted bolts is an "art"
I'd suggest buying a set of "reverse" Cobalt drills.
These usually work if you drill straight down thur the "problem" (unless it's hopeless(sic) rusted in place)


Honestly! Despicable grammar!

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 16:41:24 +0100, Colonel Edmund J. Burke wrote:

On 3/31/2016 7:48 AM, Shade Tree Guy wrote:
On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:27:02 AM UTC-7, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Have a set from Snap-On, but have rarely use them. Usually, after drilling thru a busted bolt or whatever, the harden steel extractor breaks off making the problem way worse (time for a carbide bit)
The problem comes because the hole ya drilled went off center and into the structure, preventing the proper use of the tool.
Extracting busted bolts is an "art"
I'd suggest buying a set of "reverse" Cobalt drills.
These usually work if you drill straight down thur the "problem" (unless it's hopeless(sic) rusted in place)


Honestly! Despicable grammar!

This is not alt.usage.english.

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The next day, she says to the painter, "You wanna see where my husband put his hand last night?"
He sighs and says, "Look lady, I got a tough day's work ahead of me. Why don't you just make us a cup of tea?"

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:48:42 +0100, Shade Tree Guy wrote:

On Thursday, March 31, 2016 at 7:27:02 AM UTC-7, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Have a set from Snap-On, but have rarely use them. Usually, after drilling thru a busted bolt or whatever, the harden steel extractor breaks off making the problem way worse (time for a carbide bit)
The problem comes because the hole ya drilled went off center and into the structure, preventing the proper use of the tool.
Extracting busted bolts is an "art"
I'd suggest buying a set of "reverse" Cobalt drills.
These usually work if you drill straight down thur the "problem" (unless it's hopeless rusted in place)

A bench drill may be helpful I guess. Or several people holding the drill straight.

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Mrs. Jones is having her house painted, and her husband comes home from work and leans against the freshly painted wall.
The next day, she says to the painter, "You wanna see where my husband put his hand last night?"
He sighs and says, "Look lady, I got a tough day's work ahead of me. Why don't you just make us a cup of tea?"

On 3/31/2016 10:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239


They work much of the time, but not perfect. Usually bet to try other
means first. Penetrating oil, heat

On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:15:48 +0100, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/31/2016 10:26 AM, Mr Macaw wrote:
These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239


They work much of the time, but not perfect. Usually bet to try other
means first. Penetrating oil, heat

In every occurrence I've had, I've broken the slot/pz shape on the top of it, so I need to grab it with something other than a screwdriver. But oil and heat aswell is a good idea.

Is penetrating oil flammable?

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On Thu, 31 Mar 2016 15:26:55 +0100, "Mr Macaw" wrote:

These sound useful, ever used anything like this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181742384239

Very limited use. If the screw/bolt is seized, which is normally the
reason you've twisted it off, the extractor commonly breaks unless
you've drilled a large enough hole to practically collapse the
screw/bolt anyway. Better to have a good diamond point and round nose
chisel, quality drill bits, and taps to correct damaged threads.
I'm really leery about cracking an EZ out in a stud, because you just
made more work for yourself. Done it more than once.
YMMV.