In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:41:09 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/30/15 6:46 AM, bob haller wrote:


http://www.homedepot.com/p/CE-TECH-Surface-Mount-Telephone-Jack-White-468-4C-WH/203715467


rewire to elminate all outdoor jacks, they arent designed for outdoor
use!

there are some outdoor jacks but they arent designed for
continious use. they have a spring loaded cover to keep it weather
tight..

phone wiring is super simple. its time to upgrade

I'm not accusing Micky of trolling, but he didn't actually say the jack
was outdoors.

I'm not trolling, and I did refer to the outdoors early in my poem,
though I didn't specifically say the jack is outdoors. It is.

If it's outdoors, that explains it. He said it's a surface-mount jack.
You should never put a surface mount jack on a house that will be
underwater, as so many have been since 2008. He should use a submarine jack.

Do they really make those? I sort of looked.

I read that RJ13 or maybe RJ15 are waterproof for marinas, but googling
them only gave me telephone museums. Even though there is wireless
everything now, there must still be something that is waterproof.

But it's easier to use a normal jack and put the junction in a ziploc
bag. That's what I did, but the bag fell apart after 8 or 10 years, and
I found an inch of water in the bottom of it yesterday (though when I
snapped the cover off the jack box, it was dry inside. But probably
humid.) This time, even with the gold, I'll use a new ziploc bag and
some tape around the opening I have to have.

As to flooding, I live right next to a stream which, after enough rain,
maybe once every year or two, it can go from being 10 inches deep and 12
feet across to 10 feet deep and 30 feet across. Maybe wider, it's hard
to see. It rises to literally one inch from my property line. It took
a couple episodes to start me "worrying", but after another 20 years** I
was convinced my house will never flood.

For one thing, besides that one inch, the stream would have to rise
another 6 inches to go over the outside window sill of the basement
window. Plus the higher the water gets the wider the area it has to
cover is. I was told that before it gets to our lawns, it would have to
cover the street on the other side of the stream (and about 80 feet of
woods.)

This was all designed after Baltimore had had some severe flooding
during Hurricane Agnes, in June of 1972, before I got here and before
the townhouses I live in were built in 78 and 79. Besides lots of other
damage in the city and state^^, three to five houses just a mile
downstream from me (though on a bigger stream) were washed away**** and
the county was determined that that would not happen again.

****The area is a park now iirc, though I think I could tell that it was
composed of empty lots. I don't know but I have the impression that the
county bought the houses after they were destoryed at near market prices
as if they were still there, on the theory that the county should never
have permitted their construction.

^^"In the state of Maryland, damage totaled to $110 million and 19
fatalities were reported." In one area a few miles from here water was
40 feet above what was normally dry ground. I think that's when the
county also insisted that every new housing development have a catch
basin for water runoff, to slow its arrival at streams and to prevent
flooding. A house I almost bought had had 16 inches of water in the
basement, but they did something to that stream too there has been no
more flooding there, and afaik there has been little or no flooding in
all of Baltimore County and City in the last 30 years. .

What I should have done is drive over there when the stream is at flood
stage and see how close it is to flooding the street, but I didn't think
of that for the first 25 years, and the chance hasn't arisen since.

**(It's been 32 years by now, plus the house was here 4 years before I
bought it, and I know from the pristine basement that nothing went wrong
in those 4 years.)

The front of the house where the jack is is about 14 inches higher than
the back, and the NID, the phone company junction box, is about 8 inches
higher yet, and the wire I have running out of that is no lower. The
in-house wiring failed somewhere 10 or 15 years ago and I can't find the
problem***, plus I decided I wanted the wiring to go straight to the DSL
modem. Prior to the failure, it went to the basement (and to all the
wired phones) including to the kitchen and the kitchen phone, to the
upstairs bedroom, to the DSL modem. I wanted the telephones last, not
even in parallel but after the modem, and even now that I have only one
phone, a base station for 3 wireless extensions.,by running my this
wire, I want that and I've got that.

*** Besides the jacks in 3 rooms that the house came with, I installed
6 more jacks, including one for a handset in the bathroom, with a ringer
behind the wall plate, a switch to turn off the ringer, and a neon light
to work if the ringer is off, and a switch to answer the phone with.

I looked for quite a while, testing, disconnecting, connecting, then
gave up for a year and used my outside wiring, then I determined again
to fix it, but when I went back to the house wiring it was working fine,
but for only two months. Then it failed again and I looked for the
problem again, and after that the DSL advantage made me give up on the
house wiring..

where can this liquid gold stuff be purchased.? ihave a machine that
i service it would be useful.


http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/scotts-liquid-gold/

I'm glad Tony recommended it. It's a lot cheaper than DeoxIT.

Me too. I have a new girlfriend and I'm going to try to make her some
gold jewelry with this stuff. I'm sure she'll be impressed.

On 7/30/15 10:14 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:41:09 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/30/15 6:46 AM, bob haller wrote:


http://www.homedepot.com/p/CE-TECH-Surface-Mount-Telephone-Jack-White-468-4C-WH/203715467


rewire to elminate all outdoor jacks, they arent designed for outdoor
use!

there are some outdoor jacks but they arent designed for
continious use. they have a spring loaded cover to keep it weather
tight..

phone wiring is super simple. its time to upgrade

I'm not accusing Micky of trolling, but he didn't actually say the jack
was outdoors.

I'm not trolling, and I did refer to the outdoors early in my poem,
though I didn't specifically say the jack is outdoors. It is.

If it's outdoors, that explains it. He said it's a surface-mount jack.
You should never put a surface mount jack on a house that will be
underwater, as so many have been since 2008. He should use a submarine jack.

Do they really make those? I sort of looked.

Aw, you caught me trolling and now you're playing the straight man!

I was talking about all the mortgages that were underwater after 2008,
and I guess millions still are.

It seems logical, if they make surface mount jacks, they must make
submarine mount jacks... eh???

I'm sure Tony was talking about DeoxIT, like Stormy. I think the one
you apply to contacts has been called Liquid Gold. The trouble is the
price, about $25 for 7ml.

When we hit port, we'd hook up phone cables from shore to ship and to
the quarterdeck shack, like a big phone booth on the pier. Electricians
did that. I was in electronics. We did connections for radio and radar
antennas. I don't remember any gold plating. We depended on silicone
grease, RTV, and special tape.

I think you'll do fine with grease.

On 7/30/15 10:14 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:41:09 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

But it's easier to use a normal jack and put the junction in a ziploc
bag. That's what I did, but the bag fell apart after 8 or 10 years, and
I found an inch of water in the bottom of it yesterday (though when I
snapped the cover off the jack box, it was dry inside. But probably
humid.) This time, even with the gold, I'll use a new ziploc bag and
some tape around the opening I have to have.

Drip loops help where a cable is exposed to rain. If the jack is
protected from rain, and all cables go downward from the jack and plug,
no rainwater will reach it. All you have to worry about is condensation.
Even if you used no grease or spray stuff, condensation might not
happen enough to cause a problem.



The front of the house where the jack is is about 14 inches higher than
the back, and the NID, the phone company junction box, is about 8 inches
higher yet, and the wire I have running out of that is no lower. The
in-house wiring failed somewhere 10 or 15 years ago and I can't find the
problem***, plus I decided I wanted the wiring to go straight to the DSL
modem. Prior to the failure, it went to the basement (and to all the
wired phones) including to the kitchen and the kitchen phone, to the
upstairs bedroom, to the DSL modem. I wanted the telephones last, not
even in parallel but after the modem, and even now that I have only one
phone, a base station for 3 wireless extensions.,by running my this
wire, I want that and I've got that.

*** Besides the jacks in 3 rooms that the house came with, I installed
6 more jacks, including one for a handset in the bathroom, with a ringer
behind the wall plate, a switch to turn off the ringer, and a neon light
to work if the ringer is off, and a switch to answer the phone with.

I looked for quite a while, testing, disconnecting, connecting, then
gave up for a year and used my outside wiring, then I determined again
to fix it, but when I went back to the house wiring it was working fine,
but for only two months. Then it failed again and I looked for the
problem again, and after that the DSL advantage made me give up on the
house wiring..

If a cable goes straight to the modem, it's probably best to put your
filters near the NID.

A phone cord with a mod plug could make troubleshooting easy. Cut it and
short the conductors with a wire nut, for example.

Unplug your phones and disconnect your house wiring at the NID. Clip an
ohmmeter to the leads to be sure it's infinite ohms, no short. Then put
your shorted plug into each jack to be sure you have something close to
zero ohms from the NID leads.


where can this liquid gold stuff be purchased.? ihave a machine that
i service it would be useful.


http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/scotts-liquid-gold/

I'm glad Tony recommended it. It's a lot cheaper than DeoxIT.

Me too. I have a new girlfriend and I'm going to try to make her some
gold jewelry with this stuff. I'm sure she'll be impressed.

My girl will be impressed when I give her a jug of liquid gold to
fertilize her house plants.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 31 Jul 2015 01:43:32 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/30/15 10:14 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:41:09 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/30/15 6:46 AM, bob haller wrote:


http://www.homedepot.com/p/CE-TECH-Surface-Mount-Telephone-Jack-White-468-4C-WH/203715467


rewire to elminate all outdoor jacks, they arent designed for outdoor
use!

there are some outdoor jacks but they arent designed for
continious use. they have a spring loaded cover to keep it weather
tight..

phone wiring is super simple. its time to upgrade

I'm not accusing Micky of trolling, but he didn't actually say the jack
was outdoors.

I'm not trolling, and I did refer to the outdoors early in my poem,
though I didn't specifically say the jack is outdoors. It is.

If it's outdoors, that explains it. He said it's a surface-mount jack.
You should never put a surface mount jack on a house that will be
underwater, as so many have been since 2008. He should use a submarine jack.

Do they really make those? I sort of looked.

Aw, you caught me trolling and now you're playing the straight man!

No, I was serious. I thought maybe they (or you jokingly) renamed the
RJ15 meant for marinas and the joke you were making was tying real jacks
to flooded houses. Underwater on the mortgage didnt' even occur to me.

I was talking about all the mortgages that were underwater after 2008,
and I guess millions still are.

It seems logical, if they make surface mount jacks, they must make
submarine mount jacks... eh???

Right!

I'm sure Tony was talking about DeoxIT, like Stormy. I think the one
you apply to contacts has been called Liquid Gold. The trouble is the
price, about $25 for 7ml.

Wow.

When we hit port, we'd hook up phone cables from shore to ship and to
the quarterdeck shack, like a big phone booth on the pier. Electricians
did that. I was in electronics. We did connections for radio and radar
antennas. I don't remember any gold plating. We depended on silicone
grease, RTV, and special tape.

Hmmm. Okay.

I think you'll do fine with grease.

If the stuff on the connection is corrosion, oxidation, how does it get
on the plastic too?** And if it is mold. why is it especially on
electrical (phone) connections?

**There is more not on the copper than on the copper.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:06:06 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 7/30/15 10:14 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:41:09 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

But it's easier to use a normal jack and put the junction in a ziploc
bag. That's what I did, but the bag fell apart after 8 or 10 years, and
I found an inch of water in the bottom of it yesterday (though when I
snapped the cover off the jack box, it was dry inside. But probably
humid.) This time, even with the gold, I'll use a new ziploc bag and
some tape around the opening I have to have.

Drip loops help where a cable is exposed to rain.

I should have done that years ago. Not too late. Thanks.

If the jack is
protected from rain, and all cables go downward from the jack and plug,
no rainwater will reach it. All you have to worry about is condensation.
Even if you used no grease or spray stuff, condensation might not
happen enough to cause a problem.

Well the phone company doesn't use any grease in the NID, I was
reminded of that yesterday.



The front of the house where the jack is is about 14 inches higher than
the back, and the NID, the phone company junction box, is about 8 inches
higher yet, and the wire I have running out of that is no lower. The
in-house wiring failed somewhere 10 or 15 years ago and I can't find the
problem***, plus I decided I wanted the wiring to go straight to the DSL
modem. Prior to the failure, it went to the basement (and to all the
wired phones) including to the kitchen and the kitchen phone, to the
upstairs bedroom, to the DSL modem. I wanted the telephones last, not
even in parallel but after the modem, and even now that I have only one
phone, a base station for 3 wireless extensions.,by running my this
wire, I want that and I've got that.

*** Besides the jacks in 3 rooms that the house came with, I installed
6 more jacks, including one for a handset in the bathroom, with a ringer
behind the wall plate, a switch to turn off the ringer, and a neon light
to work if the ringer is off, and a switch to answer the phone with.

I looked for quite a while, testing, disconnecting, connecting, then
gave up for a year and used my outside wiring, then I determined again
to fix it, but when I went back to the house wiring it was working fine,
but for only two months. Then it failed again and I looked for the
problem again, and after that the DSL advantage made me give up on the
house wiring..

If a cable goes straight to the modem, it's probably best to put your
filters near the NID.

A phone cord with a mod plug could make troubleshooting easy. Cut it and
short the conductors with a wire nut, for example.

Unplug your phones and disconnect your house wiring at the NID. Clip an
ohmmeter to the leads to be sure it's infinite ohms, no short. Then put
your shorted plug into each jack to be sure you have something close to
zero ohms from the NID leads.

Thanks.


where can this liquid gold stuff be purchased.? ihave a machine that
i service it would be useful.


http://www.scottsliquidgold.com/scotts-liquid-gold/

I'm glad Tony recommended it. It's a lot cheaper than DeoxIT.

Me too. I have a new girlfriend and I'm going to try to make her some
gold jewelry with this stuff. I'm sure she'll be impressed.

My girl will be impressed when I give her a jug of liquid gold to
fertilize her house plants.

On 8/1/15 4:45 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 31 Jul 2015 01:43:32 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


I think you'll do fine with grease.

If the stuff on the connection is corrosion, oxidation, how does it get
on the plastic too?** And if it is mold. why is it especially on
electrical (phone) connections?

**There is more not on the copper than on the copper.

I hadn't thought of that. Mildew may grow in dirt that settles on a
surface, but I thought it hated copper. Grease should prevent mildew by
keeping dirt off the surface.

On 8/1/15 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:06:06 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


If a cable goes straight to the modem, it's probably best to put your
filters near the NID.

A phone cord with a mod plug could make troubleshooting easy. Cut it and
short the conductors with a wire nut, for example.

Unplug your phones and disconnect your house wiring at the NID. Clip an
ohmmeter to the leads to be sure it's infinite ohms, no short. Then put
your shorted plug into each jack to be sure you have something close to
zero ohms from the NID leads.

Thanks.

After I typed that, I realized I had it backwards. I'd disconnect my
home wiring at the NID and short the leads with a jumper (alligator
clips). Then I'd use the leads of a modular plug as an easy way to check
each jack for zero ohms with a meter. (I haven't used my phone wiring
since 2011.)

In alt.home.repair, on Sun, 2 Aug 2015 19:50:44 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

On 8/1/15 5:04 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 31 Jul 2015 21:06:06 -0400, J Burns
wrote:


If a cable goes straight to the modem, it's probably best to put your
filters near the NID.

A phone cord with a mod plug could make troubleshooting easy. Cut it and
short the conductors with a wire nut, for example.

Unplug your phones and disconnect your house wiring at the NID. Clip an
ohmmeter to the leads to be sure it's infinite ohms, no short. Then put
your shorted plug into each jack to be sure you have something close to
zero ohms from the NID leads.

Thanks.

After I typed that, I realized I had it backwards. I'd disconnect my
home wiring at the NID and short the leads with a jumper (alligator
clips). Then I'd use the leads of a modular plug as an easy way to check
each jack for zero ohms with a meter. (I haven't used my phone wiring
since 2011.)

LOL