Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

"T" wrote in message ...
Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

Can't you just send it in to the IRS, labeled "Lerner e-mails"?

On 07/03/2015 06:02 PM, taxed and spent wrote:
"T" wrote in message ...
Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

Can't you just send it in to the IRS, labeled "Lerner e-mails"?



It would be fun to send one to Hillary. Label it as from
her server. "Sh**!!! How'd this one get away!!!"

Wonder how she'd destroy it. Any way, it would be in a hurry!

On 7/3/2015 9:10 PM, T wrote:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


It would be fun to send one to Hillary. Label it as from
her server. "Sh**!!! How'd this one get away!!!"

Wonder how she'd destroy it. Any way, it would
be in a hurry!

What difference, after all, does it make?

I only saw one way, wasn't about to waste
a lot of time clicking through to the next one.

I really hate those

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
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On 7/3/2015 9:10 PM, T wrote:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


It would be fun to send one to Hillary. Label it as from
her server. "Sh**!!! How'd this one get away!!!"

Wonder how she'd destroy it. Any way, it would be in a hurry!


...... web pages that make you ......


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..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 7/3/2015 9:10 PM, T wrote:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

It would be fun to send one to Hillary. Label it as from
her server. "Sh**!!! How'd this one get away!!!"

Wonder how she'd destroy it. Any way, it would be in a hurry!


..... click through page after page to see the
rest of the web page.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 07/03/2015 05:51 PM, T wrote:
Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

From what I have read in these haunts, I bet the majority of
you would go for the drill press.

On 07/03/2015 07:11 PM, T wrote:
From what I have read in these haunts, I bet the majority of
you would go for the drill press.

I don't have a drill press except for the little Dremel deal. I do,
however, have a vintage Mosin Nagant that can solve a lot of problems,
especially with those Russian steel jacketed rounds. Not the most
accurate, but I should be able to get a 3 1/2" HD at 100 yards.

On 07/03/2015 10:00 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2015 07:11 PM, T wrote:
From what I have read in these haunts, I bet the majority of
you would go for the drill press.

I don't have a drill press except for the little Dremel deal. I do,
however, have a vintage Mosin Nagant that can solve a lot of problems,
especially with those Russian steel jacketed rounds. Not the most
accurate, but I should be able to get a 3 1/2" HD at 100 yards.

Awesome!

On 7/3/15 8:51 PM, T wrote:
Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

I like 4. Print up your email so you can burn it in the fireplace.

10 looks dangerous. If sensitive shooters see you walking downrange
with a hard drive of sensitive data, they may open fire before you can
put it down.

I like to collect cartoons about people with disabilities, women, and
ethnic groups. Especially the English. After what they've done to the
English language in the last 400 years, who's going to defend them? If
the NSA gets hold of my hard drive and finds all that insensitive data,
they'll lose interest.

If I need to be sure a hard drive can't be salvaged, I take it to the
Jiffy Lube place.

"T" wrote in message ...

Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.


You and your buddy should seek violence counseling. You both seem to have
issues that should be dealt with by professional councilors.

On 07/04/2015 06:36 AM, LuckyStrike wrote:
"T" wrote in message ...

Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.


You and your buddy should seek violence counseling. You both seem to
have issues that should be dealt with by professional councilors.



:-)

On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:41:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 07/04/2015 06:36 AM, LuckyStrike wrote:
"T" wrote in message ...

Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10


Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.


You and your buddy should seek violence counseling. You both seem to
have issues that should be dealt with by professional councilors.



:-)

This queer is trolling me. Pay attention, the thing cannot spell
counselors. The dumb **** is giving advise to gun owners.

On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:51:11 -0700, T wrote:

Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

True, If we don't have Thermite.

"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

On 07/04/2015 09:21 AM, Oren wrote:
"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

I don't think I've ever smelled Cordite... I deduct points for
detective story authors that mention cordite.

Unless they're trolling that is. There was one author that would have
the antagonist click the safety off on his revolver. When the irate
letters started rolling in he'd point out the hero was carrying one of
the few revolvers that did have a safety. Gotcha!

On 7/4/15 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2015 09:21 AM, Oren wrote:
"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

I don't think I've ever smelled Cordite... I deduct points for
detective story authors that mention cordite.

Unless they're trolling that is. There was one author that would have
the antagonist click the safety off on his revolver. When the irate
letters started rolling in he'd point out the hero was carrying one of
the few revolvers that did have a safety. Gotcha!

The antagonist and the protagonist must have had similar revolvers.

The British once used cordite in their .303 cartridge, but I don't think
I've ever smelled it. They issued us hexamethylenetetramine (30 Mj/kg)
to cook. The big advantage was that it burned invisibly. That didn't
matter to me. I didn't cook at night because I didn't carry a flashlight.

The fumes had sulfur and carbon monoxide. Holding a canteen cup over a
burning tab, how do you avoid the fumes? I switched to C-4. I got along
fine with it except the time I put some on the trunk of a banana tree
and lit it. It flared up and I realized it was a terrible idea. It was
hard to extinguish. I had to hit the plastic explosive repeatedly with
my entrenching tool.

On 07/04/2015 07:03 PM, J Burns wrote:
The antagonist and the protagonist must have had similar revolvers.

What can I say? Sometimes I try to rise above my intellect and it never
fares well.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:03:08 PM UTC-5, J Burns wrote:
On 7/4/15 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2015 09:21 AM, Oren wrote:
"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

I don't think I've ever smelled Cordite... I deduct points for
detective story authors that mention cordite.

Unless they're trolling that is. There was one author that would have
the antagonist click the safety off on his revolver. When the irate
letters started rolling in he'd point out the hero was carrying one of
the few revolvers that did have a safety. Gotcha!

The antagonist and the protagonist must have had similar revolvers.

The British once used cordite in their .303 cartridge, but I don't think
I've ever smelled it. They issued us hexamethylenetetramine (30 Mj/kg)
to cook. The big advantage was that it burned invisibly. That didn't
matter to me. I didn't cook at night because I didn't carry a flashlight.

The fumes had sulfur and carbon monoxide. Holding a canteen cup over a
burning tab, how do you avoid the fumes? I switched to C-4. I got along
fine with it except the time I put some on the trunk of a banana tree
and lit it. It flared up and I realized it was a terrible idea. It was
hard to extinguish. I had to hit the plastic explosive repeatedly with
my entrenching tool.

My older brother was in Special Forces in Nam and he told me of the dangers of lighting C-4 then hitting it with something. He said if it was hit hard enough the shock could cause the burning C-4 to explode. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Exploding Monster

On 7/5/15 5:46 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:03:08 PM UTC-5, J Burns wrote:
On 7/4/15 1:50 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 07/04/2015 09:21 AM, Oren wrote:
"There's nothing like the scent of Cordite in a woman's hair."

I don't think I've ever smelled Cordite... I deduct points for
detective story authors that mention cordite.

Unless they're trolling that is. There was one author that would
have the antagonist click the safety off on his revolver. When
the irate letters started rolling in he'd point out the hero was
carrying one of the few revolvers that did have a safety.
Gotcha!

The antagonist and the protagonist must have had similar revolvers.


The British once used cordite in their .303 cartridge, but I don't
think I've ever smelled it. They issued us hexamethylenetetramine
(30 Mj/kg) to cook. The big advantage was that it burned invisibly.
That didn't matter to me. I didn't cook at night because I didn't
carry a flashlight.

The fumes had sulfur and carbon monoxide. Holding a canteen cup
over a burning tab, how do you avoid the fumes? I switched to C-4.
I got along fine with it except the time I put some on the trunk of
a banana tree and lit it. It flared up and I realized it was a
terrible idea. It was hard to extinguish. I had to hit the
plastic explosive repeatedly with my entrenching tool.

My older brother was in Special Forces in Nam and he told me of the
dangers of lighting C-4 then hitting it with something. He said if it
was hit hard enough the shock could cause the burning C-4 to explode.
o_O

[8~{} Uncle Exploding Monster


Believe it or not, there used to be a myth that it was dangerous to fly
a kite in a thunderstorm. Ben Franklin proved them wrong.

Extinguishing that fire mattered more than life itself. A few clicks
away, a country doctor had the most ravishing daughter I'd seen in a
long time. (She was the only daughter I'd seen in a long time. He was
the only father who didn't hide his daughter when he saw me coming.) If
word got out that I was less than a perfect gentleman, that would ruin
my chances with the princess, unless of course she, too, had always
wanted to burn a banana tree.

On 07/03/2015 08:39 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:51:11 -0700, T wrote:

Got a giggle out of this:

http://www.itworld.com/article/29417...a.html#slide10

Oren and I would probably prefer #9. Well, I typically just use
a hammer.

I have never seen the need to destroy a working hard drive. There are
too many utilities that will wipe the data without harming the drive.
When they do go tits up, I get out my screw gun with a torx bit and
take it apart.
Those are really cool magnets in there and worth the dig.

I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Bad%20W-D.jpg


Hi Gfretwell,

Some of the utilities don't get everything with a solid state
drive. Hammer works great.

I use full drive encryption on my office drives (I love Linux!).
I have a moral obligation to protect my customer's private
data, not to mention my own tax documents, etc..

You should have used a .45!

-T

Love the picture!

On 07/04/2015 08:15 AM, wrote:
I don't use SSDs but I am not sure why over writing all of the data
fields with hash data would not work.

It has an "algorithm" as to where it puts stuff, not
a physical location.

On 07/04/2015 03:02 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:37:30 -0700, T wrote:

On 07/04/2015 08:15 AM, wrote:
I don't use SSDs but I am not sure why over writing all of the data
fields with hash data would not work.

It has an "algorithm" as to where it puts stuff, not
a physical location.

Yup but if you load it "full" (over marked available areas), no matter
what it was, it ain't there anymore. In real life SSD storage has less
of a memory than oxide.


Here is an article on it:
http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter...sal-of-drives/

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 11:46:30 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:11:36 -0700, T wrote:

On 07/04/2015 03:02 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jul 2015 13:37:30 -0700, T wrote:

On 07/04/2015 08:15 AM, wrote:
I don't use SSDs but I am not sure why over writing all of the data
fields with hash data would not work.

It has an "algorithm" as to where it puts stuff, not
a physical location.

Yup but if you load it "full" (over marked available areas), no matter
what it was, it ain't there anymore. In real life SSD storage has less
of a memory than oxide.


Here is an article on it:
http://windowssecrets.com/newsletter...sal-of-drives/

If the storage processor marked a chip bad, I doubt any windoze tool
can see it again. There may be a factory level program that can revive
a dead chip like you can reclaim a bad sector on a disk drive but I
doubt your average hacker is going to be doing that ... just to see
your old movies..

If anything, this is just another reason not to use SSDs.

I read the article and see his point about SSD's. It's the need for
wear leveling that complicates things. But this is a major problem
anywhere you have real security concerns. I would think there are
probably utilities available that will securely erase the whole
thing.

Agree with your previous comments too. How secure you really need to erase
something spans a wide range. Like you say, the largest hole is those
that think because they deleted a file, it's gone, when it's actually
right there in the garbage can where even an amature can instantly
retrieve it. At the other extreme, you have people running wipe
algorithms that take days to complete, to wipe all of a drive with DOD
class levels. Unless you have some special needs, just writing the
disk with zeros or random data works for me.

On 07/05/2015 06:55 AM, trader_4 wrote:
Unless you have some special needs, just writing the
disk with zeros or random data works for me.

Use at own risk and you need Linux:

dd bs=4096 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx

where sdx is the disk to erase (sdc, sdd, sde, etc.)

Don't think it would get everything on an SSD though.
A hammer always works.

On 7/4/15 11:15 AM, wrote:


On a regular spinner, you just need to run the manufacturer "write all
ones" program, then partition and format it. You have a new drive,
clear of all the old data.
For most people, simply formatting it and then running a little DOS
batch file that replicates some harmless file through the whole drive
will work.
There may be a guy at NSA who can "develop" the platters and read them
with a microscope but if this is several gig of data, it is more like
a si fi movie than reality.


People get in trouble when they simply trust "empty the recycle bin"
to erase their data. It never went anywhere. The space is just waiting
to be reused. If you reuse it, the data is gone.

They can read overwritten data. Overwriting 3 times meets the DOE
standard. Overwriting 7 times meets the DOD standard. As long as I
remember, OS X had included Secure Erase. You choose how many times to
overwrite with 1's, the 0's. I don't remember the maximum, but it's a
lot more than 7.

I don't want Google reading my disks and bombarding me with ads for
facelifts!

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 11:50:03 PM UTC-4, wrote:
Many medical
docs and researchersOn Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:11:18 -0400, J Burns wrote:

On 7/4/15 11:15 AM, wrote:


On a regular spinner, you just need to run the manufacturer "write all
ones" program, then partition and format it. You have a new drive,
clear of all the old data.
For most people, simply formatting it and then running a little DOS
batch file that replicates some harmless file through the whole drive
will work.
There may be a guy at NSA who can "develop" the platters and read them
with a microscope but if this is several gig of data, it is more like
a si fi movie than reality.


People get in trouble when they simply trust "empty the recycle bin"
to erase their data. It never went anywhere. The space is just waiting
to be reused. If you reuse it, the data is gone.

They can read overwritten data. Overwriting 3 times meets the DOE
standard. Overwriting 7 times meets the DOD standard. As long as I
remember, OS X had included Secure Erase. You choose how many times to
overwrite with 1's, the 0's. I don't remember the maximum, but it's a
lot more than 7.

Like I said, NSA may be able to see that old data but it won't be the
kid who dumpster dives your trash. NSA could get some of the data off
one you hit with a hammer or shot with a desert eagle too.

+1

On 07/03/2015 09:39 PM, wrote:
I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

Yeah, well that's a .380 for ya.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 12:02:11 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2015 09:39 PM, wrote:
I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

Yeah, well that's a .380 for ya.

I have a .380 because I don't have the strength anymore to handle a .50 cal. A .380 can still put an eye out. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Bullet Monster

On 7/4/2015 6:52 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 12:02:11 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2015 09:39 PM, wrote:
I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

Yeah, well that's a .380 for ya.

I have a .380 because I don't have the strength anymore to handle a .50 cal. A .380 can still put an eye out. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Bullet Monster


Shot a Desert Eagle .50 AE last week. Only fired one round, not because
it was too hard to handle, but because the ejected case hit me in the
forehead above the eye. Still have a mark there.

On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/4/2015 6:52 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 12:02:11 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2015 09:39 PM, wrote:
I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

Yeah, well that's a .380 for ya.

I have a .380 because I don't have the strength anymore to handle a .50 cal. A .380 can still put an eye out. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Bullet Monster


Shot a Desert Eagle .50 AE last week. Only fired one round, not because
it was too hard to handle, but because the ejected case hit me in the
forehead above the eye. Still have a mark there.

Years ago, one of my buddies and I took a mutual friend to the
shooting range. He hadn't shown much interest in owning a gun
prior to that. We shot our pistols and apparently he enjoyed it,
because shortly after he bought his first pistol, the DE .50!

After that, I've been at the range and watched him go up to some
young girl that was just learning to shoot, and offer to let her
shoot the DE. I was horrified, because it's like a little cannon.
I could just picture the recoil planting it in her face, her
dropping it from the recoil, etc. Fortunately nothing bad ever happened.

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 8:04:06 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 7/4/2015 6:52 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, July 4, 2015 at 12:02:11 AM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:
On 07/03/2015 09:39 PM, wrote:
I did shoot this one with a .380 and the bullet bounced off.

Yeah, well that's a .380 for ya.

I have a .380 because I don't have the strength anymore to handle a .50
cal. A .380 can still put an eye out. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Bullet Monster


Shot a Desert Eagle .50 AE last week. Only fired one round, not because
it was too hard to handle, but because the ejected case hit me in the
forehead above the eye. Still have a mark there.

Years ago, one of my buddies and I took a mutual friend to the
shooting range. He hadn't shown much interest in owning a gun
prior to that. We shot our pistols and apparently he enjoyed it,
because shortly after he bought his first pistol, the DE .50!

After that, I've been at the range and watched him go up to some
young girl that was just learning to shoot, and offer to let her
shoot the DE. I was horrified, because it's like a little cannon.
I could just picture the recoil planting it in her face, her
dropping it from the recoil, etc. Fortunately nothing bad ever happened.

That is a good way to turn off a newbie. Stupid.

On 07/04/2015 06:03 AM, Frank wrote:
Shot a Desert Eagle .50 AE last week. Only fired one round, not because
it was too hard to handle, but because the ejected case hit me in the
forehead above the eye. Still have a mark there.

I've got a 50 AE case on my desk that I found at the range. I amuse
myself by dropping a .45 ACP round into it. The .45 rattles around a
little.

I've never been interested in insta-flinch loads.