On 6/9/2015 12:39 PM, KenK wrote:
Last week on the way to downtown I found my main east/west road was closed.
Trying to avoid a two mile drive to and from the next e/w main road I
ducked into the residential area nearby. This is a dry agricultural area so
there are lots of irrigation ditches and I kept getting blocked by them.
Quickly became lost. Finally ended up on the next main road I was trying to
avoid driving to but with many side trips on the way. sigh I had wished I
had a compass. Can you still put one in the car? There used to be many more
places to fasten one around the windshield than nowdays on a modern car.



I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west. When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 16:10:22 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?
Not on a "dark and cloudy night"

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:05:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west.
That depends where you are. In some towns avenues run east and west,
strweets north and sout - some are opposite.
Then some have 1st avenue north east, north west, south east, and
south west.

Then there are cities like London Ontario where certain north and
south streets, for instance, don't meet bvecause there is no bridge -
Or Winnipeg where they don't meet because the railroad gets in the way

And some towns, numbered streets run one way, and named streets the
other. -

Then there is the twin cities of Kitchener/Waterloo Ontario.

There are 2 main streets than run from one end of Waterloo to the far
end of Kitchener. They run (more or less) parallel to each other - and
both run both north and south and east and west, and cross 3 times.
King Street and Weber Street both run north and south in Waterloo and
east and west in Kitchener

When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 22:05:03 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 16:10:22 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?
Not on a "dark and cloudy night"

Then determine what side of a mountain the moon rises or sets.
You can look at a tree and determine the direction the sun rises or
sets.(swamps) How it grows. I don't need a stinking GPS. Or a wife to
tell me I'm lost or how to use a printed map.

The sun is setting in the west right now as I type

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 22:11:58 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 17:05:46 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west.
That depends where you are. In some towns avenues run east and west,
strweets north and sout - some are opposite.
Then some have 1st avenue north east, north west, south east, and
south west.

Then there are cities like London Ontario where certain north and
south streets, for instance, don't meet bvecause there is no bridge -
Or Winnipeg where they don't meet because the railroad gets in the way

And some towns, numbered streets run one way, and named streets the
other. -

Then there is the twin cities of Kitchener/Waterloo Ontario.

There are 2 main streets than run from one end of Waterloo to the far
end of Kitchener. They run (more or less) parallel to each other - and
both run both north and south and east and west, and cross 3 times.
King Street and Weber Street both run north and south in Waterloo and
east and west in Kitchener

When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

Now I understand a reason to not live in Canada.

On 6/9/2015 10:19 PM, Oren wrote:


Then determine what side of a mountain the moon rises or sets.
You can look at a tree and determine the direction the sun rises or
sets.(swamps) How it grows. I don't need a stinking GPS. Or a wife to
tell me I'm lost or how to use a printed map.

The sun is setting in the west right now as I type


I partly agree with you. I've driven cross country a few times without
one and parts of Europe. I do have one though.

I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.

I won't go to Europe without it now. Street signs in some places are
much more difficult than here.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.


I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

The gps makes it a lot easier now. Instead of getting detailed directions,
just get the street address. My grandson got sick at school one day and
they called me to pick him up as they could not reach his parents. I live
about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

On 6/10/2015 8:40 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...

[snip]

about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

Work took/takes me all over a major urban area and it used to be that
I'd buy a local atlas (@ $35 a pop) for each of the cars). That atlas
was generally outdated when published. GPS is much better and with the
trend towards free lifetime updates, my portable unit is updated four
times per year.

With built-ins in two of our cars, now the only one we have is in my
Corvette which we take on trips and that unit is great for travel. I'll
have most of my important addresses at my destination programmed in and
will turn on the GPS (to get its bearings) as I head to the rental car
counter. Great in a strange (or not so strange) city.

One of our favorite uses when on a road trip with the 'Vette is to set
it to no toll roads/highways and force the route to be secondary roads.
We've seen a lot of very pretty countryside and never, ever have to
worry about getting lost as we always have a trail of digital bread
crumbs left behind (or ahead) to get us where we belong.

A couple of years ago we did the the Bourbon Trail down in Kentucky.
Set the GPS as above and spent a couple of days traveling some very nice
back roads and sippin' bourbon. Doesn't get much better than that.

On Wednesday, June 10, 2015 at 8:40:07 AM UTC-5, Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.


I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

The gps makes it a lot easier now. Instead of getting detailed directions,
just get the street address. My grandson got sick at school one day and
they called me to pick him up as they could not reach his parents. I live
about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

When I was driving around in a large metro area in the ancient past BGPS. I would stop by a drug store and purchase a map book. The books are a lot easier to use than a folded map and the sections give a larger view often showing common landmarks. I was able to get around Los Angeles without getting lost. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Map Monster

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:40:01 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.


I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

The gps makes it a lot easier now. Instead of getting detailed directions,
just get the street address. My grandson got sick at school one day and
they called me to pick him up as they could not reach his parents. I live
about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.


I've driven for 50 years without a GPS. When I lived in Brooklyn, I
got invitations to dinner or parties from a broader geographical area
than I do here, and I would always ask, Where do you live?

And they would always ask in return, Where are you coming from? As if
that would effect where they lived. Sometimes they woudl insist on
giving directions even after I told them I didn't want any, but usually
I just got the address and the cross street and went there that way.
Using a map. Espeicially when they were on Long Island, directions
would not have helped because I never came straight from my house or
even that direction. I'd leave an hour or several hours earlier and
check out the island beyond where they lived, and be returning
west-bound when it was time to see them.

micky wrote:
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:40:01 -0400, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.


I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

The gps makes it a lot easier now. Instead of getting detailed directions,
just get the street address. My grandson got sick at school one day and
they called me to pick him up as they could not reach his parents. I live
about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.


I've driven for 50 years without a GPS. When I lived in Brooklyn, I
got invitations to dinner or parties from a broader geographical area
than I do here, and I would always ask, Where do you live?

And they would always ask in return, Where are you coming from? As if
that would effect where they lived. Sometimes they woudl insist on
giving directions even after I told them I didn't want any, but usually
I just got the address and the cross street and went there that way.
Using a map. Espeicially when they were on Long Island, directions
would not have helped because I never came straight from my house or
even that direction. I'd leave an hour or several hours earlier and
check out the island beyond where they lived, and be returning
west-bound when it was time to see them.


Really new high technology tend to make people dumber and lazy. GPS is
not 100%, it has it's own pit falls. Some times one can get lost blindly
following GPS. It is known to happen.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news
Really new high technology tend to make people dumber and lazy. GPS is not
100%, it has it's own pit falls. Some times one can get lost blindly
following GPS. It is known to happen.

Yes, they are not always correct or up to date on some of the roads. I was
thinking someone died because of following one in a big snow storm and got
lost.
You do have to use some common sense when using one. They may try to run
you down the wrong way of a one way street. I like that commercial where
the gps says turn right, the driver turns and runs into a wall, then the gps
says 'in 100 feet'.

Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news
Really new high technology tend to make people dumber and lazy. GPS is not
100%, it has it's own pit falls. Some times one can get lost blindly
following GPS. It is known to happen.

Yes, they are not always correct or up to date on some of the roads. I was
thinking someone died because of following one in a big snow storm and got
lost.
You do have to use some common sense when using one. They may try to run
you down the wrong way of a one way street. I like that commercial where
the gps says turn right, the driver turns and runs into a wall, then the gps
says 'in 100 feet'.


Always I have few extra candle sticks, emergency kit and make sure my
gas tank is full when I head out to unfamiliar place, specially in the
night.

On 6/10/2015 1:17 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Always I have few extra candle sticks, emergency kit and make sure my
gas tank is full when I head out to unfamiliar place, specially in the
night.

Full tank of gasoline and a couple candles sure
lights up the area.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

Oren posted for all of us...



On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west. When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

Not necessarily in PA. It's a free for all. I-276 goes N/S while I-76 goes
E/W while Rt 202 goes all direction depending on where you are. It's all
messed up. Road names change at will, County Line & Township Line roads
everywhere. Yes, it's bleeped up.

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

Ralph Mowery posted for all of us...



"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
I can drove cross country from CT to say, Sacramento, CA and never look
at a map. Just knowing some of the states and reading signs will get me
there. Where the gps is good is once in the city it will take me to 19
Park St easily. And it will help me find a hotel, hospital,restaurant,
etc.


I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

The gps makes it a lot easier now. Instead of getting detailed directions,
just get the street address. My grandson got sick at school one day and
they called me to pick him up as they could not reach his parents. I live
about 30 miles from the school and had never been there or even within about
10 miles of the school. They started to give directioins, but I just told
them to give me the address and I punched it into the GPS unit. I did get
the phone number so I could call on the cellphone if I did get mixed up.
Drove right to the school.

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

Like the **** stops, err fuel...

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:45:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west. When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

Not necessarily in PA. It's a free for all. I-276 goes N/S while I-76 goes
E/W while Rt 202 goes all direction depending on where you are. It's all
messed up. Road names change at will, County Line & Township Line roads
everywhere. Yes, it's bleeped up.

....all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 6/10/2015 1:17 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Always I have few extra candle sticks, emergency kit and make sure my
gas tank is full when I head out to unfamiliar place, specially in the
night.

Full tank of gasoline and a couple candles sure
lights up the area.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.
In the winter candle can be good source of heat keeping me from
freezing.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 17:18:06 -0600, Tony Hwang
wrote:

In the winter candle can be good source of heat keeping me from
freezing.

....also serves a visual signal to passerby's that you are stranded.

On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:45:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


If you are last and in the water perhaps you need a MARINE compas???

On 06/10/2015 07:40 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
I drove for over 30 years without the GPS and always got where I was going.
I do have to admit that I did take a few wrong turns. Think it was Danial
Boone that said he never was lost in the woods, but he was confused for 3
days one time.

There's a part of town that's built on a hillside. Between the roads
zigging around canyons, the cul-de-sacs, and so forth, I was lucky to
ever find my way back out. The GPS certainly makes it nicer.

I mostly use a handheld for geocaching but I broke down and bought a
Nuvi for the car last year. If nothing else I can figure out how far it
is to the next town with a gas station. That's not as trivial as it
sounds in the western US.

On 06/10/2015 08:04 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

Work took/takes me all over a major urban area and it used to be that
I'd buy a local atlas (@ $35 a pop) for each of the cars). That atlas
was generally outdated when published. GPS is much better and with the
trend towards free lifetime updates, my portable unit is updated four
times per year.

When I was driving OTR I had a good sized box full of city maps plus the
full Thomas Guide for LA/Orange counties.

On 06/10/2015 08:39 AM, micky wrote:
I've driven for 50 years without a GPS. When I lived in Brooklyn, I
got invitations to dinner or parties from a broader geographical area
than I do here, and I would always ask, Where do you live?


I had to deliver some test materials out to a site off the Grand
Concourse from the main testing site at the Coliseum. I got in a cab,
told him where I wanted to go, and I might have well asked him to take
me to Dublin. He did find the Bronx, realized he was in deep trouble,
turned the meter off and got out to ask directions a few times. We
finally got there but I think he wanted to kiss the ground when we got
back to Manhattan.

On 06/10/2015 10:05 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Really new high technology tend to make people dumber and lazy. GPS is
not 100%, it has it's own pit falls. Some times one can get lost blindly
following GPS. It is known to happen.

Quite a few get dead blindly following a GPS. There's a lot of empty
space around here and if the GPS suggests you take a shortcut and the
road turns to dirt, it's time to turn around unless you know what you're
doing. That really goes for the winter.

On 06/10/2015 10:33 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
Yes, they are not always correct or up to date on some of the roads. I was
thinking someone died because of following one in a big snow storm and got
lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim

I don't know if Kim had a GPS or was just using a paper map. I've been
through there -- in September.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...allible .html

That area out in the Owyhee Desert is also very scenic -- if you know
what you're doing.

On 6/10/2015 7:18 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 6/10/2015 1:17 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Always I have few extra candle sticks, emergency kit and make sure my
gas tank is full when I head out to unfamiliar place, specially in the
night.

Full tank of gasoline and a couple candles sure
lights up the area.

.
In the winter candle can be good source of heat keeping me from
freezing.

Does it put out enough to do much good? I'll admit,
I've not tried.

Read some thing years ago about using a garbage bag
to protect one self from the snow, and inside that
a single candle is enough heat. Sounded dangerous
to me, I'd not want to be on fire inside a plastic
garbage bag. They called it a Palmer Furnace, if
memory serves.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 06/10/2015 02:45 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

[snip]

Not necessarily in PA. It's a free for all. I-276 goes N/S while I-76 goes
E/W while Rt 202 goes all direction depending on where you are. It's all
messed up. Road names change at will, County Line & Township Line roads
everywhere. Yes, it's bleeped up.


There's a 49 (toll road) here where about 70% of it is north-south and
the rest is east-west.

Also 2 state highways (64 and 323) that are almost parallel (northwest
to southeast).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It is my deliberate opinion that the one essential requisite of human
welfare in all ways is scientific knowledge of human nature." [Harriet
Martineau]

On 06/10/2015 02:48 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

[snip]

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

Like the **** stops, err fuel...


I remember a gas station in Bangs (small town in west Texas) with a sign
saying "fill the car and empty the kids".

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It is my deliberate opinion that the one essential requisite of human
welfare in all ways is scientific knowledge of human nature." [Harriet
Martineau]

Oren posted for all of us...



On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:45:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:46:27 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/9/2015 7:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 14:12:30 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I got turned around one dark night, and ended up
way off my route. Walmart has car compass, several
versions, in the auto parts section. Actually,
most auto parts stores should have compass. I have
a magnetic compass in both vehicles.

Daytime, you can ballpark the direction by where is
the sun, and what time is it.

Can't you find the North Star at night?


My part of the world has major cloud cover,
nearly all of the year. Made worse by urban
lighting. So, no.


Roads signs give a clue. Odd numbers are north / south. Even numbers
east / west. When trying to find a business address location - odd
addresses are on one side of the street, even address numbers on the
other. When you get near the business, you know you need to turn left
or right.

Not necessarily in PA. It's a free for all. I-276 goes N/S while I-76 goes
E/W while Rt 202 goes all direction depending on where you are. It's all
messed up. Road names change at will, County Line & Township Line roads
everywhere. Yes, it's bleeped up.

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons.

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with tr-location?

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

posted for all of us...



On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 15:45:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:


If you are last and in the water perhaps you need a MARINE compas???

Glub, glub... Call me bob. Sea Hunt I need you!

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:32:42 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons.

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with tr-location?

No. But I can give minor advise.

On 6/11/2015 12:52 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 06/10/2015 02:48 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

[snip]

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in
the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

Like the **** stops, err fuel...


I remember a gas station in Bangs (small town in west Texas) with a sign
saying "fill the car and empty the kids".


My Mom's favorite was "eat here, get gas"

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:04:32 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 6/11/2015 12:52 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 06/10/2015 02:48 PM, Tekkie® wrote:

[snip]

Some of the gps units do have important things like the hospital in
the data
base and also some other things that may come in handy.

Like the **** stops, err fuel...


I remember a gas station in Bangs (small town in west Texas) with a sign
saying "fill the car and empty the kids".


My Mom's favorite was "eat here, get gas"

-
.

Or "Need gas? We can help. Got gas? You're on your own!!"
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

Oren posted for all of us...



On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:32:42 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons.

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with relocation?

No. But I can give minor advise.

Would that be financing advise as in low cost harpie loans?
Is the property next to you for sale?

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:29:45 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:32:42 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons.

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with relocation?

No. But I can give minor advise.

Would that be financing advise as in low cost harpie loans?
Is the property next to you for sale?

You can stay in Philly or move West young man. Stay and pay taxes or
move west and spend the money on guns!

http://www.howmoneywalks.com/irs-tax-migration/

On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:29:45 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:32:42 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons..

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with relocation?

No. But I can give minor advise.

Would that be financing advise as in low cost harpie loans?
Is the property next to you for sale?

You can stay in Philly or move West young man. Stay and pay taxes or
move west and spend the money on guns!

http://www.howmoneywalks.com/irs-tax-migration/

That almost explains red and blue states but so many people and businesses are fleeing Californiastan that a lot of them may be landing in red states thus turning them green. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Green Monster

Oren posted for all of us...



On Tue, 16 Jun 2015 16:29:45 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...



On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 16:32:42 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

...all good reasons to not live in NY and PA. I learned my lessons..

I'm stuck. Will you help $$$$ with relocation?

No. But I can give minor advise.

Would that be financing advise as in low cost harpie loans?
Is the property next to you for sale?

You can stay in Philly or move West young man. Stay and pay taxes or
move west and spend the money on guns!

http://www.howmoneywalks.com/irs-tax-migration/

Well, I ain't in Philly so I don't have to put up with their BS. Haven't
been there for 20+ years. As an old geezer I would like to move West to
avoid the snow. I already got guns, many. I would probably croak from moving
after sorting through the junk and other detritus

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*