Until recently, my only pump-up sprayer was a Chapin from the 1990s. I
had to recharge it every couple of minutes because it didn't seal well.
I had to keep cleaning debris out of the spray tip. The tank was
designed so that debris tended to stay in when I rinsed it. The pump
didn't work very well and couldn't be disassembled for cleaning. The
diaphragm in the valve was often sticky.

A few months ago I bought a second one so I could wash and rinse out of
reach of a hose. What a difference! Everything including the pump comes
apart without tools! The pickup tube has a strainer! The pump assembly
screws into the tank with an O-ring instead of a flat washer. The space
around it is an open bowl, so I can use an ounce of water to verify the
seal by checking for bubbles. I can come back weeks later and still have
pressure!

Why didn't my 1990s sprayer have these features?

An unexpected benefit has been ease and efficiency washing walls,
woodwork, and floors indoors. It used to require a wash pan and a rinse
pan, to carry around and maybe spill. It meant soaking my hand in
cleaning solution, which would get dirty as I worked. If I mix a quart,
which could be borax in water, the sprayer can be charged and ready any
time I have a minute for a wash job, and I dip my hand only in rinse water.

A standard sprayer nozzle shoots 1/4 gallon a minute in a stream or a
cone. Outdoors, it was adequate to rinse a mower but not a car or a
wall. I got a kit of flat spray heads: 1/4, 1/3, and 1/2 gallon per
minute. It came with a strainer!

The 1/2 gallon flat nozzle works great for flushing a car or truck. If
the job takes 3 quarts of rinse water, that's 90 seconds of rinsing -- a
few seconds for each section. No getting wet, making puddles, getting
the hose out, or putting it away.

I have to use the flat nozzle kit with my old sprayer. It's a Chapin
kit, but it doesn't have an adapter to use with my new Chapin sprayer
unless I remove the wand.

On 4/10/2015 11:25 AM, J Burns wrote:
Until recently, my only pump-up sprayer was a Chapin from the 1990s. I
had to recharge it every couple of minutes because it didn't seal well.
I had to keep cleaning debris out of the spray tip. The tank was
designed so that debris tended to stay in when I rinsed it. The pump
didn't work very well and couldn't be disassembled for cleaning. The
diaphragm in the valve was often sticky.

A few months ago I bought a second one so I could wash and rinse out of
reach of a hose. What a difference! Everything including the pump comes
apart without tools! The pickup tube has a strainer! The pump assembly
screws into the tank with an O-ring instead of a flat washer. The space
around it is an open bowl, so I can use an ounce of water to verify the
seal by checking for bubbles. I can come back weeks later and still have
pressure!

Why didn't my 1990s sprayer have these features?

An unexpected benefit has been ease and efficiency washing walls,
woodwork, and floors indoors. It used to require a wash pan and a rinse
pan, to carry around and maybe spill. It meant soaking my hand in
cleaning solution, which would get dirty as I worked. If I mix a quart,
which could be borax in water, the sprayer can be charged and ready any
time I have a minute for a wash job, and I dip my hand only in rinse water.

A standard sprayer nozzle shoots 1/4 gallon a minute in a stream or a
cone. Outdoors, it was adequate to rinse a mower but not a car or a
wall. I got a kit of flat spray heads: 1/4, 1/3, and 1/2 gallon per
minute. It came with a strainer!

The 1/2 gallon flat nozzle works great for flushing a car or truck. If
the job takes 3 quarts of rinse water, that's 90 seconds of rinsing -- a
few seconds for each section. No getting wet, making puddles, getting
the hose out, or putting it away.

I have to use the flat nozzle kit with my old sprayer. It's a Chapin
kit, but it doesn't have an adapter to use with my new Chapin sprayer
unless I remove the wand.

Do you have a brand, model, URL?

I use pump up garden sprayers from Harbor Freight
to rinse dust off machinery, now and again.

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..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/10/15, 12:23 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/10/2015 11:25 AM, J Burns wrote:
Until recently, my only pump-up sprayer was a Chapin from the 1990s. I
had to recharge it every couple of minutes because it didn't seal well.
I had to keep cleaning debris out of the spray tip. The tank was
designed so that debris tended to stay in when I rinsed it. The pump
didn't work very well and couldn't be disassembled for cleaning. The
diaphragm in the valve was often sticky.

A few months ago I bought a second one so I could wash and rinse out of
reach of a hose. What a difference! Everything including the pump comes
apart without tools! The pickup tube has a strainer! The pump assembly
screws into the tank with an O-ring instead of a flat washer. The space
around it is an open bowl, so I can use an ounce of water to verify the
seal by checking for bubbles. I can come back weeks later and still have
pressure!

Why didn't my 1990s sprayer have these features?

An unexpected benefit has been ease and efficiency washing walls,
woodwork, and floors indoors. It used to require a wash pan and a rinse
pan, to carry around and maybe spill. It meant soaking my hand in
cleaning solution, which would get dirty as I worked. If I mix a quart,
which could be borax in water, the sprayer can be charged and ready any
time I have a minute for a wash job, and I dip my hand only in rinse
water.

A standard sprayer nozzle shoots 1/4 gallon a minute in a stream or a
cone. Outdoors, it was adequate to rinse a mower but not a car or a
wall. I got a kit of flat spray heads: 1/4, 1/3, and 1/2 gallon per
minute. It came with a strainer!

The 1/2 gallon flat nozzle works great for flushing a car or truck. If
the job takes 3 quarts of rinse water, that's 90 seconds of rinsing -- a
few seconds for each section. No getting wet, making puddles, getting
the hose out, or putting it away.

I have to use the flat nozzle kit with my old sprayer. It's a Chapin
kit, but it doesn't have an adapter to use with my new Chapin sprayer
unless I remove the wand.

Do you have a brand, model, URL?

I use pump up garden sprayers from Harbor Freight
to rinse dust off machinery, now and again.

A few years ago, I bought a Chinese pump-up sprayer at Dollar General.
The connection at the spray valve soon leaked. Then I began noticing
puddles. The tank had cracked.

I was able to clean the pump in my old Chapin by prying out the valve,
soaking the pump in a bucket of soapy water, and pumping. Later, I
squirted some silicon lube into it. The filter that came with the
nozzle kit makes a big difference. Plumber's grease helps me get a good
seal when I screw the top down.

My new one is a Chapin 20000. Neighbors have one with a store brand or
insecticide brand, but it's the same. The nozzle kit is Chapin 6-4824.

Chapin makes models for bleach and concrete stains. I wish they'd tell
the buyer which chemicals were okay for a certain model and which to
watch out for. Some can be sprayed if the sprayer is cleaned soon.

If I had it to do over, I'd get one where I could use an assortment of
nozzles with the wand, like my old one. It's hard to know what I'm
buying. I'd love a bigger adjustable-cone nozzle in case I'm doing
something where I want an extinguisher handy.

I put plumber's grease on the o-ring, to help it seal and make it easier
to tighten and loosen.

A neighbor gave me several unmarked gallon-bottles of pink stuff. I knew
one was degreaser. I mixed up some pink stuff to clean my riding mower.
I rinsed with the fan spray. In rinsing, I got out a bunch of oily leaf
particles, jammed under the muffler. It's hard to get used to a mower
that doesn't smell like burnt oil!

Afterward, I discovered that I'd used windshield washer fluid, not
degreaser. It worked remarkably well!

I believe Smith is Chapin's American competitor. I wonder what they offer.

On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:25:02 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

Why didn't my 1990s sprayer have these features?

My guess is the old one is 20th Century ... things change

On 4/10/15, 2:00 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 10 Apr 2015 11:25:02 -0400, J Burns
wrote:

Why didn't my 1990s sprayer have these features?

My guess is the old one is 20th Century ... things change

In the 1950s, a lot of Americans felt obliged to buy a new car every 2
or 3 years so they'd have reliable transportation. Planned obsolescence.

My pump appeared to be designed to unscrew, but I couldn't budge it with
a chain wrench. Maybe an executive decided the threads should be glued.
If a customer found that he had trouble pumping up because the pump was
dirty, and he had to do it frequently because the rubber washer was
stiff, he'd think it was time to buy a new sprayer.

The lack of a strainer is another matter. From day one, I'd have to
keep unscrewing the tip to clean it.

I wonder if Amazon was a factor. If 5% of the market checked user
reviews, they might end up buying better models. If each impressed 3
neighbors, that would be 20% of the market. Store chains would look at
sales statistics and buy only the improved models.

On 4/10/2015 1:33 PM, J Burns wrote:

My new one is a Chapin 20000. Neighbors have one with a store brand or
insecticide brand, but it's the same. The nozzle kit is Chapin 6-4824.

Chapin makes models for bleach and concrete stains. I wish they'd tell
the buyer which chemicals were okay for a certain model and which to
watch out for. Some can be sprayed if the sprayer is cleaned soon.

If I had it to do over, I'd get one where I could use an assortment of
nozzles with the wand, like my old one. It's hard to know what I'm
buying. I'd love a bigger adjustable-cone nozzle in case I'm doing
something where I want an extinguisher handy.

I put plumber's grease on the o-ring, to help it seal and make it easier
to tighten and loosen.

A neighbor gave me several unmarked gallon-bottles of pink stuff. I knew
one was degreaser. I mixed up some pink stuff to clean my riding mower.
I rinsed with the fan spray. In rinsing, I got out a bunch of oily leaf
particles, jammed under the muffler. It's hard to get used to a mower
that doesn't smell like burnt oil!

Afterward, I discovered that I'd used windshield washer fluid, not
degreaser. It worked remarkably well!

I believe Smith is Chapin's American competitor. I wonder what they offer.


Twenty bucks, not bad if it works for a couple years.

http://www.amazon.com/Chapin-20000-1.../dp/B000E28UQU

Thank you.

Knew a guy who worked for Burger King. Blue stuff for
windows, green stuff for bathrooms, pink stuff for
tables. Or some such logic.

Air conditioner coil cleaner comes in pink, green, and
purple choices.

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..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/10/15, 6:16 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/10/2015 1:33 PM, J Burns wrote:


Twenty bucks, not bad if it works for a couple years.

http://www.amazon.com/Chapin-20000-1.../dp/B000E28UQU

Thank you.

I see D.B. Smith's competition 1-gallon chemical-proof sprayer for $15
at the bottom of the page. I don't know if they have flaws.

Years ago I bought a Smith's 1-quart pump-up sprayer from American
Science and Surplus. It was new, and the pickup tube didn't work right.
I replaced it with a piece of sheathing from indoor telephone cable. I
also had to make a gasket. Before long, I had to replace the o-ring in
the pump. The new o-ring soon swelled and jammed because I'd lubed it
with Vaseline. I switched to plumber's grease, and it has worked fine
for years. I keep insecticide in it. I don't keep it pressurized because
the fluid would seep into the pump and end up in my face when I pulled
the plunger. I guess Smith engineers didn't work out the bugs in that
model, but it has become reliable. If I find a fireant nest, I'll squirt
an ounce on the mound. In a week there will be no sign of life.

I've used Chapins a lot since the 80s and found them durable. They seem
to have a very big line of pump-up sprayers and offer a lot of info on
the web. If I were going to buy another, I'd study the product
information on their site.
https://www.chapinmfg.com/sprayers/

I saved my house from termites by using my old sprayer to apply TimBor,
with the consistency of latex paint. Maybe I could use a pump-up sprayer
to slap paint on an exterior wall. I'd probably have to go over it with
a brush, but think of the labor it would save!

Then I could invite kids over to paint the ceilings with pump-up sprayers!


Knew a guy who worked for Burger King. Blue stuff for
windows, green stuff for bathrooms, pink stuff for
tables. Or some such logic.

Air conditioner coil cleaner comes in pink, green, and
purple choices.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

On 4/10/2015 1:33 PM, J Burns wrote:
On 4/10/15, 12:23 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

A neighbor gave me several unmarked gallon-bottles of pink stuff. I knew
one was degreaser. I mixed up some pink stuff to clean my riding mower.
I rinsed with the fan spray. In rinsing, I got out a bunch of oily leaf
particles, jammed under the muffler. It's hard to get used to a mower
that doesn't smell like burnt oil!

Afterward, I discovered that I'd used windshield washer fluid, not
degreaser. It worked remarkably well!

I believe Smith is Chapin's American competitor. I wonder what they offer.


Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.


-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/10/2015 8:52 PM, J Burns wrote:

Years ago I bought a Smith's 1-quart pump-up sprayer from American
Science and Surplus.
1) It was new, and the pickup tube didn't work right.
I replaced it with a piece of sheathing from indoor telephone cable.
2) I
also had to make a gasket.
3) Before long, I had to replace the o-ring in
the pump.
4) The new o-ring soon swelled and jammed because I'd lubed it
with Vaseline. I switched to plumber's grease, and it has worked fine
for years.
5) I don't keep it pressurized because
the fluid would seep into the pump and end up in my face when I pulled
the plunger.


That's a lot of engineering for a pump sprayer. You're
not the only one. I've got a sprayer, or used to. I used
my tubing bender to change the angle of the brass wand,
then when it started to leak, I used generous doses of
electrical tape around the discharge hose. Later rebuilt
the compression fittings that atach the discharge hose.

Nice sprayer, put out good stream of water, and very useful.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

It sounds like you're easily excited about things? Have you tried reading, walking, or maybe an exercise class? (is this micky or jerry?)

On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:28:21 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Data mining!

Dig a large hole out back, bury the computer and just maybe, they
won't do that.
--
"I am the infidel your Imam warned you about." Jan Morgan, Gun
Cave Indoor Firing Range operator.

On 4/11/2015 1:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:28:21 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Data mining!

Dig a large hole out back, bury the computer and just maybe, they
won't do that.

Wonder if they make a key board and monitor
with cables long enough to reach the back
yard?

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/11/2015 1:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:28:21 -0400, Stormin Mormon

Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Data mining!

Dig a large hole out back, bury the computer and just maybe, they
won't do that.

Wonder if they make USB cables long enough to
reach all the way out there? Need a keyboard
too, and monitor cable.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 4/11/15, 8:28 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Aw, it could have been anybody at AHC. Besides, if it had been me, and
I'm not saying it was, you couldn't prove it because I had Zuckerman
sign a nondisclosure agreement.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:07:54 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 4/11/2015 1:52 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 08:28:21 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Data mining!

Dig a large hole out back, bury the computer and just maybe, they
won't do that.

Wonder if they make a key board and monitor
with cables long enough to reach the back
yard?


Perhaps you missed my intended point. You signed up for FB and now
complain about data mining.
--
"People who worry about crocodiles are smart!" -Joe Machi

On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:19:32 -0400, J Burns wrote:

On 4/11/15, 8:28 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Aw, it could have been anybody at AHC. Besides, if it had been me, and
I'm not saying it was, you couldn't prove it because I had Zuckerman
sign a nondisclosure agreement.

Facebook knows EVERYTHING you do. Even when your computer is turned
off, they are tracking you. They even record everytime you take a ****,
and have videos to prove it.

But there is a solution. DO NOT USE FACEBOOK! NEVER link to any
Facebook page. Use "facebookblocker" (an addon for Firefox). Put about
40 entries in your HOSTS file to block them. (Google for "Facebook
HOSTS file blocking").

I do ALL of this!

If this still dont work....
Find Zuckerman, and punch him in his ugly Bookface!

Then start a Facebook haters club in your community!

I admit to HATING Facebook!
Facebook has ruined the entire internet!

On 4/11/15, 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 11 Apr 2015 15:19:32 -0400, J Burns wrote:

On 4/11/15, 8:28 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



Yesterday I looked at pump up sprayers. I keyed the
model number you gave me into my search engine, and
look at it on Amazon. Today, I have a "suggested post"
by Facebook, which is the sprayer on Amazon showing
up on my facebook page. Don't know how they do that,
but I don't like it.

Aw, it could have been anybody at AHC. Besides, if it had been me, and
I'm not saying it was, you couldn't prove it because I had Zuckerman
sign a nondisclosure agreement.

Facebook knows EVERYTHING you do. Even when your computer is turned
off, they are tracking you. They even record everytime you take a ****,
and have videos to prove it.

But there is a solution. DO NOT USE FACEBOOK! NEVER link to any
Facebook page. Use "facebookblocker" (an addon for Firefox). Put about
40 entries in your HOSTS file to block them. (Google for "Facebook
HOSTS file blocking").

I do ALL of this!

If this still dont work....
Find Zuckerman, and punch him in his ugly Bookface!

Then start a Facebook haters club in your community!

I admit to HATING Facebook!
Facebook has ruined the entire internet!

It starts with making kids attend school, where the teacher's motto is,
"We don't want to hear it." Kids can't talk privately, but occasionally
a kid gets the privilege of saying something in front of the class.

Facebook first became popular as a scheme for obscure Harvard students
to jump up and speak in front of the class. Facebook works on that
desire. You try to cultivate thousands of "friends" so you can feel you
are saying cool things in front of an enormous class.

I'm old fashioned. When I want to babble in front of a class, I go to AHC.