"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.

On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.




I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge
consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous
chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very
scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe nuclear
energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.




I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

Refill them with xenon or krypton and they outlast CFL's.

On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe
nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once a year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

"Al Gore" wrote in message
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On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption
when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like
mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific
manner. When using renewable energy and safe
nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the
environment.

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once a
year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

if you switch to outcandescents, all of these problems are averted.

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On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption
when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like
mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific
manner. When using renewable energy and safe
nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the
environment.

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

if you switch to outcandescents, all of these problems are averted.
And be sure to keep your burned out bulbs to screw into empty sockets so
that the electricity won't leak out.

TK



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I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once a
year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

If you swap the polarity you convert them into dark suckers. They quit
putting light in the room and suck the dark out of the room. Similar to
revresing the flow in a heat pump and making it into a cold pump to heat and
cool a house.

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On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge
consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous
chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very
scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe
nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the
environment.

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

if you switch to outcandescents, all of these problems are averted.
And be sure to keep your burned out bulbs to screw into empty sockets so
that the electricity won't leak out.


and so that nothing leaks in, either!

On 01/27/2015 02:31 PM, Frank wrote:
On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge
consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous
chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very
scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe nuclear
energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.




I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

Refill them with xenon or krypton and they outlast CFL's.



Great idea but now I've wreaked the filament...
anyone have a schematic diagram? I have an extensive repair lab here and
may be able to cobble together a fix.

On 01/27/2015 04:56 PM, Tomsic wrote:
"Pico Rico" wrote in message
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"Al Gore" wrote in message
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On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power
for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption
when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like
mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific
manner. When using renewable energy and safe
nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the
environment.

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

if you switch to outcandescents, all of these problems are averted.
And be sure to keep your burned out bulbs to screw into empty sockets so
that the electricity won't leak out.

TK




Or collect the loose electrons in a zinc tub.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:27:04 -0600, philo wrote:


I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.


And dont forget to rotate your bulbs once a year. Plus, if you live in
an area which gets real cold weather in Winter, you need to install
Incandescent "Winter Bulbs" during the cold months.

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 18:01:32 -0500, "Ralph Mowery"
wrote:


"Al Gore" wrote in message
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I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once a
year and fill them up with new.

And if you're on a 2-phase center-tap transformer, it wouldn't hurt to
swap the polarity of the bulbs occasionally.

If you swap the polarity you convert them into dark suckers. They quit
putting light in the room and suck the dark out of the room. Similar to
revresing the flow in a heat pump

When you reverse the wires on a heat pump, it heats the outside, and it
seems to do a good job too. It's always hot out when my friend does
that.

and making it into a cold pump to heat and
cool a house.

On Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 1:31:40 PM UTC-7, Frank wrote:
On 1/27/2015 3:27 PM, philo wrote:

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

Refill them with xenon or krypton and they outlast CFL's.

In the 1960s or 1970s, Westinghouse started to sell incandescent
bulbs that were sort of cylindrical rather than spherical, and
they were filled with krypton to make them last longer than more
common argon filled bulbs:

https://img1.etsystatic.com/002/1/57...26443_iz95.jpg.

My parents bought tons of them because the light was whiter than that
from other bulbs. I think they still have some, and I do mean the
ones actually made by Westinghouse in the USA, not the bulbs currently
made by a Chinese manufacturer that bought rights to the brand. Those
bulbs did last longer but not nearly as long as fluorescent tubes.

On 01/27/2015 01:38 PM, wrote:
"And where do they get this figure of CFLs using 20x their rated power for a whole second when turned on? That is definitely not true."

Yes, CFL's and fluorescents in general have a massive surge consumption when initially turned on. They also contain dangerous chemicals like mercury and cadmium that must be disposed of in a very scientific manner. When using renewable energy and safe nuclear energy, incandescents are by far the best lightbulb for the environment.




https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/54666/IN-L4099.html


the above are reproduction of the so-called Marconi bulbs.

I have them in one of my antique light fixtures.


In the old days when the filament broke ...with the bulb energized one
could tap on it and the loose elements would weld together and the bulb
would work again.

On 01/27/2015 03:27 PM, philo wrote:

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And don't forget to check that the vacuum cylinder from which you refill
the bulbs has the EPA mark showing that the contents are compliant with
the latest regulations. I've read that some unscrupulous vendors are
selling expired vacuum as still usable.

Perce

On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 06:09:55 -0600, philo wrote:

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/54666/IN-L4099.html


the above are reproduction of the so-called Marconi bulbs.

I have them in one of my antique light fixtures.


In the old days when the filament broke ...with the bulb energized one
could tap on it and the loose elements would weld together and the bulb
would work again.


Oddly enough I have several times had a dead (common) bulb in a trouble
light, suddenly flash, then keep working again. Juat a freak
occurrance, I guess, that the filament welded itself. I dont remember
the details, but I do recall one bulb that lasted a very long time
afterwards.

Those "Marconi bulbs" remind me of toaster coils inside of a glass
envelope. They're cool looking though. The filaments in them must be
rated for a much higher voltage than 120V, because they burn rather dim,
yet they do put out a fair amount of light. Kind of like wiring two
standard bulbs in series. They do light, but are dim. They would
probably last forever at half voltage.

On 01/28/2015 03:58 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jan 2015 06:09:55 -0600, philo wrote:

https://www.1000bulbs.com/product/54666/IN-L4099.html


the above are reproduction of the so-called Marconi bulbs.

I have them in one of my antique light fixtures.


In the old days when the filament broke ...with the bulb energized one
could tap on it and the loose elements would weld together and the bulb
would work again.


Oddly enough I have several times had a dead (common) bulb in a trouble
light, suddenly flash, then keep working again. Juat a freak
occurrance, I guess, that the filament welded itself. I dont remember
the details, but I do recall one bulb that lasted a very long time
afterwards.

Those "Marconi bulbs" remind me of toaster coils inside of a glass
envelope. They're cool looking though. The filaments in them must be
rated for a much higher voltage than 120V, because they burn rather dim,
yet they do put out a fair amount of light. Kind of like wiring two
standard bulbs in series. They do light, but are dim. They would
probably last forever at half voltage.





Yep, it's happened to me too.

On 1/28/2015 4:04 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 01/27/2015 03:27 PM, philo wrote:

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And don't forget to check that the vacuum cylinder from which you refill
the bulbs has the EPA mark showing that the contents are compliant with
the latest regulations. I've read that some unscrupulous vendors are
selling expired vacuum as still usable.

Perce


That, and some vendors don't put any thing in
the bottle. Shows up empty, and you have no
recourse to gt the vacuum you paid for.

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On 01/28/2015 03:04 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 01/27/2015 03:27 PM, philo wrote:

I don't know where your post came from but
with incandescents, I find it best to drain the vacuum out of them once
a year and fill them up with new.

And don't forget to check that the vacuum cylinder from which you refill
the bulbs has the EPA mark showing that the contents are compliant with
the latest regulations. I've read that some unscrupulous vendors are
selling expired vacuum as still usable.

Perce




Worse still:

Those cans of vacuum you get on eBay
and when they arrive...are empty!

wrote:


Oddly enough I have several times had a dead (common) bulb in a trouble
light, suddenly flash, then keep working again. Juat a freak
occurrance, I guess, that the filament welded itself. I dont remember
the details, but I do recall one bulb that lasted a very long time
afterwards.


I've fitted four metal bodied table lamps in our home with "touch
dimmers". They make it much easier to control the lamps than having to
reach up under the lampshade to twist the socket switch when using a
"3-way" bulb. And, a single 150 watt incandescent is much cheaper than a
50/100/150 watt 3-way bulb.

But, as I learned early on, when a bulb filament finally blows the
"tungsten arc" which accompanies the "final flash" can draw a current
surge great enough to blow out the dimmer.

I solved the problem by installing fuse holders with 2 amp quick blow
fuses in each lamp. Now, when a bulb blows with an arc it takes out an
easy to replace 15 cent fuse rather than a $10 wired in dimmer.

Another interesting "effect" of having those touch dimmers in the lamps
is that during the part of the fall season when a few lady bugs move
into our home, occasionally one of them will crawl up to the top edge of
the brass bulb socket and walk around it. The tiny creature is probably
seeking the heat from the lit bulb. If its legs touch both the socket
and the bulb base the dimmer gets tripped. and the lamp changes
intensity or turns off. I know I could put some sort of an insulator
around the top of the bulb socket to prevent that but it happens so
seldom I haven't bothered.

Jeff

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(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.