I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

"Arras" wrote in message
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I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

Unless you are doing lots of work , I would just get something like this
assortment from China off ebay for about 11 or 12 dollars shipped to you and
not worry about the sizes. I bought a set a while back like it.


110936738959

On 01/13/2015 05:25 PM, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rives#Phillips

Bristol Phillips:

Just for laughs..

The bathroom stalls in our store are held together
with SECURITY TORX for cryin' out loud! And
they're falling apart. Duhhh...

Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

On 01/14/2015 05:50 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

Wrecking the screws makes you buy more
screws. Sort of a Pozi scheme.

Not if you can't buy PoziDrv screws in the USA. As I think I have
written here before, when I ask about PoziDrv screws and bits in the USA
I am greeted by a blank stare -- although many of the imported sets of
bits do in fact include PoziDrv (PZxx). The only PoziDrv screwdriver (as
distinct from interchangeable bits) I own was made in the UK and bought
while I was on vacation in New Zeeland.

Perce

On 01/14/2015 01:07 PM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 01/14/2015 05:50 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

Wrecking the screws makes you buy more
screws. Sort of a Pozi scheme.

Not if you can't buy PoziDrv screws in the USA. As I think I have
written here before, when I ask about PoziDrv screws and bits in the USA
I am greeted by a blank stare -- although many of the imported sets of
bits do in fact include PoziDrv (PZxx). The only PoziDrv screwdriver (as
distinct from interchangeable bits) I own was made in the UK and bought
while I was on vacation in New Zeeland.

Ooops! "New Zealand"

Perce

On 13/01/2015 22:25, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

It's a continuous range of sizes, where the smaller ones have
(presumably) been named after the main series: PH 1, 2, 3, 4 are the
'normal' woodscrew sizes but PH0, 00 and 000 are the smaller sizes that
you find in things like laptops.

The smaller ones are normally found in kits such as :
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Hand...ver+Set/p12357

(That's item number 12357 at Toolstation to illustrate, not as any kind
of recommendation!).

If you have an application that's in the least demanding, you may well
find a cheap set will become mangled on the first use, so it's worth
looking around for some half-decent ones.

On 1/14/2015 12:33 PM, Bob Minchin wrote:
Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

Wrecking the screws makes you buy more
screws. Sort of a Pozi scheme.

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learn more about Jesus
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In article ,
Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
Not if you can't buy PoziDrv screws in the USA. As I think I have
written here before, when I ask about PoziDrv screws and bits in the USA
I am greeted by a blank stare

There was a recent post on the MegaSquirt forum (a basically US product)
about the correct screwdriver for the small case end plate fixing screws.
Which are pozi style (parallel sides) - and a pozi driver is a good fit.
So I said to use a pozi number 1. Seems not even a decent tool supplier in
the US knew about Pozi.

I've a feeling they may well be ISO or whatever - but pozi bits are a
decent fit and Philips not.

--
*Isn't it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice?"

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:07:10 -0500 Percival P. Cassidy wrote :
Not if you can't buy PoziDrv screws in the USA. As I think I have
written here before, when I ask about PoziDrv screws and bits in the USA
I am greeted by a blank stare -- although many of the imported sets of
bits do in fact include PoziDrv (PZxx). The only PoziDrv screwdriver (as
distinct from interchangeable bits) I own was made in the UK and bought
while I was on vacation in New Zeeland.

You won't find Pozidriv screws here, just Philips and Robertson (square)
drive. For medium sizes (30-75mm) I've switched to the latter as they drive
better with a drill.

--
Tony Bryer, Greentram: 'Software to build on',
Melbourne, Australia www.greentram.com

In article ,
Tony Bryer wrote:
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:07:10 -0500 Percival P. Cassidy wrote :
Not if you can't buy PoziDrv screws in the USA. As I think I have
written here before, when I ask about PoziDrv screws and bits in the
USA I am greeted by a blank stare -- although many of the imported
sets of bits do in fact include PoziDrv (PZxx). The only PoziDrv
screwdriver (as distinct from interchangeable bits) I own was made in
the UK and bought while I was on vacation in New Zeeland.

You won't find Pozidriv screws here, just Philips and Robertson (square)
drive. For medium sizes (30-75mm) I've switched to the latter as they
drive better with a drill.

Hope you can buy the drivers, though. All the electronic stuff I fix -
made usually in the far east - use screws which are closer to Pozi than
Philips. As do all the screws found round a computer. Including those with
a US thread. ;-)

--
*My designated driver drove me to drink

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 18:54 14 Jan 2015, wrote:

On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:25:15 UTC, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

This area is a bit of a pain. Philips is fairly common in Europe but
Pozidrive is also around. I often dismantle microscopes that have
tight screws of all sorts of sizes, these are often JIS as the
microscopes are made in Japan. Things made in Japan often use them.

This style of screw is really made for insertion during manufacture
and have something called cam out. The idea is that the thing driving
them will automatically jump out when a certain amount of torque is
applied - too much really as they are usually driven in by powered
screw drivers that have closely controlled torque settings.

Philips have a lot of it, JIS more or less the same shape as Philips
but less cam out. Pozidrive probably has the least of the lot.

I have all 3 types of screw driver. The JIS are especially important
to me because the screws I undo with them are often very tight. A
philips screw driver seems to fit but as soon as I put a JIS one in it
obviously doesn't. The problem with using the wrong ones is that if
the screw is very tight for it's size they jump out and wreck the
head. That applies to all of them.

Some shops that sell model car and aeroplane things stock sets of 3
JIS screwdrivers. One of the odd things is that the middle size can be
used on most sizes of screw.

If you don't want to damage heads I would be inclined to find out
which type you want to undo. I damaged some before I realised what the
problem was. DIY is worse in some ways as screws that are bought might
not even state what type they are and the shop might also sell
screwdrivers that don't really fit.

John


The screwdrivers are to open up gadgets (like a wireless doorbell) that are
often made in China. Seems as if I need the JIS screwdrivers but they are
almost impossible to get.

Perhaps a good-fitting well-made Philips screwdriver would work.

I looked at the Wera micro screwdriver range which have got nice big
handles compared to jewellers screwdrivers. However they don't go smaller
than PH-00.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wera-Kraftfo.../dp/B0001P18LO

On 17:33 14 Jan 2015, Bob Minchin wrote:

Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

I want to use the cross slot screwdrivers on electronic gadgets and I don't
think they would have PoziDrv screws. So I think Phillips is perhaps the
closest.

The sizes I want are sometimes called jeweller's screwdrivers.

Arras wrote:
On 17:33 14 Jan 2015, Bob Minchin wrote:

Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

Are you sure you want Phillips? They are not the same as pozi-drive
which is possibly more common in UK use.

The head of a pozi "normally" has an x on the head rotated 45 degrees to
the main driving faces.

The tip angle of the two standard are different and it becomes quite
critical on the small sizes where the wrong screwdriver can easily wreck
the head of the screw.

I want to use the cross slot screwdrivers on electronic gadgets and I don't
think they would have PoziDrv screws. So I think Phillips is perhaps the
closest.

The sizes I want are sometimes called jeweller's screwdrivers.

OK as long as you are aware of the difference and the potential for
damage due to poor fit. Screws into plastic will not normally be that
tight but small screws into metal in precision assemblies can be very
tight and will need the correct driver.
Jewellers screwdriver is a generic terms for small screwdrivers
irrespective of the head type they are designed to work with, Pozi,
phillips, flat, torx etc.

On 21/01/2015 15:41, Arras wrote:
On 18:54 14 Jan 2015, wrote:

On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:25:15 UTC, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

This area is a bit of a pain. Philips is fairly common in Europe but
Pozidrive is also around. I often dismantle microscopes that have
tight screws of all sorts of sizes, these are often JIS as the
microscopes are made in Japan. Things made in Japan often use them.

This style of screw is really made for insertion during manufacture
and have something called cam out. The idea is that the thing driving
them will automatically jump out when a certain amount of torque is
applied - too much really as they are usually driven in by powered
screw drivers that have closely controlled torque settings.

Philips have a lot of it, JIS more or less the same shape as Philips
but less cam out. Pozidrive probably has the least of the lot.

I have all 3 types of screw driver. The JIS are especially important
to me because the screws I undo with them are often very tight. A
philips screw driver seems to fit but as soon as I put a JIS one in it
obviously doesn't. The problem with using the wrong ones is that if
the screw is very tight for it's size they jump out and wreck the
head. That applies to all of them.

Some shops that sell model car and aeroplane things stock sets of 3
JIS screwdrivers. One of the odd things is that the middle size can be
used on most sizes of screw.

If you don't want to damage heads I would be inclined to find out
which type you want to undo. I damaged some before I realised what the
problem was. DIY is worse in some ways as screws that are bought might
not even state what type they are and the shop might also sell
screwdrivers that don't really fit.

John


The screwdrivers are to open up gadgets (like a wireless doorbell) that are
often made in China. Seems as if I need the JIS screwdrivers but they are
almost impossible to get.

Perhaps a good-fitting well-made Philips screwdriver would work.

I looked at the Wera micro screwdriver range which have got nice big
handles compared to jewellers screwdrivers. However they don't go smaller
than PH-00.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wera-Kraftfo.../dp/B0001P18LO

try these
http://www.clasohlson.com/uk/Cocraft...er-Set/40-7431

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On 18:54 14 Jan 2015, wrote:

On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:25:15 UTC, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

This area is a bit of a pain. Philips is fairly common in Europe but
Pozidrive is also around. I often dismantle microscopes that have
tight screws of all sorts of sizes, these are often JIS as the
microscopes are made in Japan. Things made in Japan often use them.

This style of screw is really made for insertion during manufacture
and have something called cam out. The idea is that the thing driving
them will automatically jump out when a certain amount of torque is
applied - too much really as they are usually driven in by powered
screw drivers that have closely controlled torque settings.

Philips have a lot of it, JIS more or less the same shape as Philips
but less cam out. Pozidrive probably has the least of the lot.

I have all 3 types of screw driver. The JIS are especially important
to me because the screws I undo with them are often very tight. A
philips screw driver seems to fit but as soon as I put a JIS one in it
obviously doesn't. The problem with using the wrong ones is that if
the screw is very tight for it's size they jump out and wreck the
head. That applies to all of them.

Some shops that sell model car and aeroplane things stock sets of 3
JIS screwdrivers. One of the odd things is that the middle size can be
used on most sizes of screw.

If you don't want to damage heads I would be inclined to find out
which type you want to undo. I damaged some before I realised what the
problem was. DIY is worse in some ways as screws that are bought might
not even state what type they are and the shop might also sell
screwdrivers that don't really fit.

John


The screwdrivers are to open up gadgets (like a wireless doorbell) that are
often made in China. Seems as if I need the JIS screwdrivers but they are
almost impossible to get.

Find a copier repair supply. They have them.

Perhaps a good-fitting well-made Philips screwdriver would work.

I looked at the Wera micro screwdriver range which have got nice big
handles compared to jewellers screwdrivers. However they don't go smaller
than PH-00.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wera-Kraftfo.../dp/B0001P18LO



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Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On 13/01/2015 22:25, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

When I wanted some fine screwdrivers, I bought something like this:

Kamasa 56050 Precision Bit Set (36 Pieces)
by Kamasa
Link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00BN81AU2

Not that exact set. It has been up to my needs allowing me to open up
various things including quite a few items of computer kit and small
electrical devices.

--
Rod

"Tekkie®" wrote in message
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Arras posted for all of us...



On 18:54 14 Jan 2015, wrote:

On Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:25:15 UTC, Arras wrote:
I want to get some Phillips screwdrivers for very small screws.

Most suppliers quote something like this:
"#0 and #00".

However others quote things like this:
"7 Heads Phillips 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0".

How can I work out which is equivalent to which?

This area is a bit of a pain. Philips is fairly common in Europe but
Pozidrive is also around. I often dismantle microscopes that have
tight screws of all sorts of sizes, these are often JIS as the
microscopes are made in Japan. Things made in Japan often use them.

This style of screw is really made for insertion during manufacture
and have something called cam out. The idea is that the thing driving
them will automatically jump out when a certain amount of torque is
applied - too much really as they are usually driven in by powered
screw drivers that have closely controlled torque settings.

Philips have a lot of it, JIS more or less the same shape as Philips
but less cam out. Pozidrive probably has the least of the lot.

I have all 3 types of screw driver. The JIS are especially important
to me because the screws I undo with them are often very tight. A
philips screw driver seems to fit but as soon as I put a JIS one in it
obviously doesn't. The problem with using the wrong ones is that if
the screw is very tight for it's size they jump out and wreck the
head. That applies to all of them.

Some shops that sell model car and aeroplane things stock sets of 3
JIS screwdrivers. One of the odd things is that the middle size can be
used on most sizes of screw.

If you don't want to damage heads I would be inclined to find out
which type you want to undo. I damaged some before I realised what the
problem was. DIY is worse in some ways as screws that are bought might
not even state what type they are and the shop might also sell
screwdrivers that don't really fit.

John


The screwdrivers are to open up gadgets (like a wireless doorbell) that
are
often made in China. Seems as if I need the JIS screwdrivers but they
are
almost impossible to get.

Find a copier repair supply. They have them.

There's plenty on ebay, aliexpress and amazon.

Perhaps a good-fitting well-made Philips screwdriver would work.

I looked at the Wera micro screwdriver range which have got nice big
handles compared to jewellers screwdrivers. However they don't go
smaller
than PH-00.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wera-Kraftfo.../dp/B0001P18LO