Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time to
buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change... or
does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?
--
Pete Cresswell

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time to
buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change... or
does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?

I dunno , I'd think cold weather gasoline would be formulated with a
higher percentage of volatiles . Which means it evaporates faster , leaving
nasty stuff behind . I prefer non-eth gas for my yard and garden engines .
Motorcycle too , but the cars get whatever's cheap . My stored gas is all
non-eth , and has a turnover of about 3 months . I don't bother with
stabilizer for that short time .

--
Snag

Beans give me gas.
Just sayin'.

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:08:15 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time to
buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change... or
does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?

I found this:

http://eprinc.org/2009/06/a-primer-o...line-blending/

I don't know if this is 100% correct, but it must be because I found
it on the internet. :-)

All I do know is gasoline with alcohol in goes bad much quicker than
gasoline without alcohol. Storing this gasoline even with your own
additives won't stay good very long. You can thank our wonderful EPA
for this.

Further to Gordon's post, people should take oil company's claims about their gasoline being "best" with a grain of salt.

You see, a refinery is very expensive to build, and the cost of pipelining or trucking oil to a refinery is tiny compared to the cost of building refineries.

So, typically, refineries will be built in major cities where there are surrounding oil fields, and the oil from everyone's oil fields will end up in the same refinery... getting there either by buried pipeline or by truck.

Oil companies will "unitize" oil fields that extend under land where the royalty rights are owned by different people or companies so as to maximize the production of oil from that field. That is, if each company knows that every barrel of oil they don't produce from their land will be produced from their neighbor's well on their neighbor's land, they'll all produce as much oil from every well they have as quickly as they can to prevent losing oil to their neighbors. That results in less oil recovery from the reservoir than would happen if they "unitized" the oil reservoir and produced oil from it in a more sensible way (such as by injecting water at some wells to maintain the reservoir pressure, and thereby maintain high oil production from other wells, for example). Similarily, they can re-inject the solution gas that comes out of the oil to maintain the reservoir pressure and produce more oil out of that reservoir than would be realized if they each went nutz producing as much as they could from their own wells.

So, while you may have an Exxon refinery in one city, there'll be oil from many different oil companies all going to that same refinery, and each oil company gets a share of the production from that refinery, depending on how much oil they deliver to the refinery on a monthly basis.

So, when you hear oil companies advertising that their gasoline is best, you have to ask yourself how the refinery knows who's oil is coming out of the pipe at any given time. Since everyone's oil is mixed together in the feedstock going in to the refinery, there's no way of changing the formulation of one company's oil or gasoline without changing it for everyone. All of the oil goes in at one end, and the gasoline, aviation fuel, heating oil and asphalt comes out the other end, and it's divided up according to how much oil each company delivered to the refinery, and everyone's gasoline is the same, just as everyone's aviation fuel and home heating oil is the same. The refinery will make sure that it's operation is set up to maximize gasoline production (usually) or perhaps aviation fuel or home heating oil depending on what's most needed and fetches the highest price at the time. But, they can't change the formulation of one company's gasoline without changing it for every oil company that's delivering oil to that refinery.

So, if you live in a city with a refinery, or near a city with a refinery, then almost certainly the gasoline you buy will come from that refinery and it'll be the same stuff regardless of who's selling it; whether it's at a Shell, Texaco, Amoco or Chevron gas station.

I don't know if oil companies formulate their engine oils differently, but I expect there would be differences in synthetic engine oils since those don't come out of a refinery (so far as I know).

On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:08:15 -0500, "(PeteCresswell)"
wrote:

Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time to
buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change... or
does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?

From what I've heard, the 10% is the maximum allowed by law. It may not
be that high.

"nestork" wrote in message
...

Gordon Shumway;3321919 Wrote:

I don't know if this is 100% correct, but it must be because I found
it on the internet. :-)

All I do know is gasoline with alcohol in goes bad much quicker than
gasoline without alcohol. Storing this gasoline even with your own
additives won't stay good very long. You can thank our wonderful EPA
for this.

Further to Gordon's post, people should take oil company's claims about
their gasoline being "best" with a grain of salt.

You see, a refinery is very expensive to build, and the cost of
pipelining or trucking oil to a refinery is tiny compared to the cost of
building refineries.

So, typically, refineries will be built in major cities where there are
surrounding oil fields, and the oil from everyone's oil fields will end
up in the same refinery... getting there either by buried pipeline or by
truck.

Oil companies will "unitize" oil fields that extend under land where the
royalty rights are owned by different people or companies so as to
maximize the production of oil from that field. That is, if each
company knows that every barrel of oil they don't produce from their
land will be produced from their neighbor's well on their neighbor's
land, they'll all produce as much oil from every well they have as
quickly as they can to prevent losing oil to their neighbors. That
results in less oil recovery from the reservoir than would happen if
they "unitized" the oil reservoir and produced oil from it in a more
sensible way (such as by injecting water at some wells to maintain the
reservoir pressure, and thereby maintain high oil production from other
wells, for example). Similarily, they can re-inject the solution gas
that comes out of the oil to maintain the reservoir pressure and produce
more oil out of that reservoir than would be realized if they each went
nutz producing as much as they could from their own wells.

So, while you may have an Exxon refinery in one city, there'll be oil
from many different oil companies all going to that same refinery, and
each oil company gets a share of the production from that refinery,
depending on how much oil they deliver to the refinery on a monthly
basis.

So, when you hear oil companies advertising that their gasoline is best,
you have to ask yourself how the refinery knows who's oil is coming out
of the pipe at any given time. Since everyone's oil is mixed together
in the feedstock going in to the refinery, there's no way of changing
the formulation of one company's oil or gasoline without changing it for
everyone. All of the oil goes in at one end, and the gasoline,
aviation fuel, heating oil and asphalt comes out the other end, and it's
divided up according to how much oil each company delivered to the
refinery, and everyone's gasoline is the same, just as everyone's
aviation fuel and home heating oil is the same. The refinery will make
sure that it's operation is set up to maximize gasoline production
(usually) or perhaps aviation fuel or home heating oil depending on
what's most needed and fetches the highest price at the time. But, they
can't change the formulation of one company's gasoline without changing
it for every oil company that's delivering oil to that refinery.

So, if you live in a city with a refinery, or near a city with a
refinery, then almost certainly the gasoline you buy will come from that
refinery and it'll be the same stuff regardless of who's selling it;
whether it's at a Shell, Texaco, Amoco or Chevron gas station.

I don't know if oil companies formulate their engine oils differently,
but I expect there would be differences in synthetic engine oils since
those don't come out of a refinery (so far as I know).




--
nestork

Gasoline additives vary between companies.

Ken

On 12/15/2014 10:51 PM, nestork wrote:
So, if you live in a city with a refinery, or near a city with a
refinery, then almost certainly the gasoline you buy will come from that
refinery and it'll be the same stuff regardless of who's selling it;
whether it's at a Shell, Texaco, Amoco or Chevron gas station.

I don't know if oil companies formulate their engine oils differently,
but I expect there would be differences in synthetic engine oils since
those don't come out of a refinery (so far as I know).
As I understand it the definition of 'best' concerns how much
detergent is added to the gas. The best gas is the gas that has the
most detergent. This happens at the distribution
center as it is loaded into the delivery truck.

As far as blending is concerned in some locations they change the
blend depending on the season. It used to be believed that we had
the most gasoline price wars in fall and spring because they wanted
to empty their tanks for the new blend. I don't know if that
was true.

Bill

On 12/15/2014 5:16 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time to
buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change... or
does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?

I dunno , I'd think cold weather gasoline would be formulated with a
higher percentage of volatiles . Which means it evaporates faster , leaving
nasty stuff behind . I prefer non-eth gas for my yard and garden engines .
Motorcycle too , but the cars get whatever's cheap . My stored gas is all
non-eth , and has a turnover of about 3 months . I don't bother with
stabilizer for that short time .


I agree. Cold weather means they can put more butane in gas and unless
can is tightly sealed more will evaporate in summer and tightly sealed
plastic cans will balloon somewhat. I only store gas bought in summer.
Stabilizer for me allows 2 year storage at which time I put in cars.

Frank wrote:
On 12/15/2014 5:16 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
(PeteCresswell) wrote:
Somewhere I saw a post from somebody who claimed that the best time
to buy gasoline that is to be stored was in January.

Yeah... Stabil and all that....

Our local pumps all have "10% Ethanol" on them and the signs are
pop-riveted to the pumps, so I am guessing that does not change...
or does it and 10% is just the max?

But does anybody know what he was getting at?

I dunno , I'd think cold weather gasoline would be formulated
with a higher percentage of volatiles . Which means it evaporates
faster , leaving nasty stuff behind . I prefer non-eth gas for my
yard and garden engines . Motorcycle too , but the cars get
whatever's cheap . My stored gas is all non-eth , and has a turnover
of about 3 months . I don't bother with stabilizer for that short
time .

I agree. Cold weather means they can put more butane in gas and
unless can is tightly sealed more will evaporate in summer and
tightly sealed plastic cans will balloon somewhat. I only store gas
bought in summer. Stabilizer for me allows 2 year storage at which
time I put in cars.

Are you storing ethanol-laced gas that long ? Do you have problems with
water absorption and the alcohol separating out of the fuel ?

--
Snag