Friend of mine is redoing the floor in the laundry
room. The pipe with the natural gas for the dryer
is a bit of a ways out from the wall, and he'd like
me to move it closer to the wall. So it's less
likely to get bumped, kicked, etc. Also better
for hookup.

I went over and looked. The floor is in rough shape,
there is a hole in the floor right near the wall,
which means I don't have to drill a hole through.

I went and looked into the cellar. The pipe is not
going to be easy to work on, but nothing much ever
is. I got my bucket of pipe wrenches, and started
to get to work. Turn off the gas (nearest valve is
the main meter for the house) Use the gas range to
flare off the pressure. And start to take some
pipe part. Take the pipe apart, back several
fittings and joints. And then run the pipe back
to the hole in the floor, closer to the wall.

I didn't have the lengths of pipe I wanted so I had
to mix and match the pieces I had. Finally, I've got
it all back together with generous doses of pipe
thread sealant. And it's all good.

Noticing that where the pipe comes up, is on the
far side of the washer from where the dryer presently
is. If there wasn't a flex line long enough, I
could run some black iron along the back wall, to
where the dryer is. At the moment, electric dryer.
But, gas at some time in the future, I guess.

Oh, yes! He'd forgot to mention that what he really
wanted, was the pipe through the hole in the floor
over behind the electric dryer. Hope that's not
too much work.

I went to the cellar, and spec it out a bit. Need
some pipe I don't got (brought my nipple tray, and
don't have 3 foot and 1 foot lengths. Snow is in
the forecast for next three days, we will pick up
the job Friday, which is is next day of relative
calm.

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"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
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Friend of mine is redoing the floor in the laundry
room. The pipe with the natural gas for the dryer
is a bit of a ways out from the wall, and he'd like
me to move it closer to the wall. So it's less
likely to get bumped, kicked, etc. Also better
for hookup.

I went over and looked. The floor is in rough shape,
there is a hole in the floor right near the wall,
which means I don't have to drill a hole through.

I went and looked into the cellar. The pipe is not
going to be easy to work on, but nothing much ever
is. I got my bucket of pipe wrenches, and started
to get to work. Turn off the gas (nearest valve is
the main meter for the house) Use the gas range to
flare off the pressure. And start to take some
pipe part. Take the pipe apart, back several
fittings and joints. And then run the pipe back
to the hole in the floor, closer to the wall.

I didn't have the lengths of pipe I wanted so I had
to mix and match the pieces I had. Finally, I've got
it all back together with generous doses of pipe
thread sealant. And it's all good.

Noticing that where the pipe comes up, is on the
far side of the washer from where the dryer presently
is. If there wasn't a flex line long enough, I
could run some black iron along the back wall, to
where the dryer is. At the moment, electric dryer.
But, gas at some time in the future, I guess.

Oh, yes! He'd forgot to mention that what he really
wanted, was the pipe through the hole in the floor
over behind the electric dryer. Hope that's not
too much work.

I went to the cellar, and spec it out a bit. Need
some pipe I don't got (brought my nipple tray, and
don't have 3 foot and 1 foot lengths. Snow is in
the forecast for next three days, we will pick up
the job Friday, which is is next day of relative
calm.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


Well, stop wasting time and git to it, son.
LOL

On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 7:19:33 AM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friend of mine is redoing the floor in the laundry
room. The pipe with the natural gas for the dryer
is a bit of a ways out from the wall, and he'd like
me to move it closer to the wall. So it's less
likely to get bumped, kicked, etc. Also better
for hookup.

I went over and looked. The floor is in rough shape,
there is a hole in the floor right near the wall,
which means I don't have to drill a hole through.

I went and looked into the cellar. The pipe is not
going to be easy to work on, but nothing much ever
is. I got my bucket of pipe wrenches, and started
to get to work. Turn off the gas (nearest valve is
the main meter for the house) Use the gas range to
flare off the pressure. And start to take some
pipe part. Take the pipe apart, back several
fittings and joints. And then run the pipe back
to the hole in the floor, closer to the wall.

I didn't have the lengths of pipe I wanted so I had
to mix and match the pieces I had. Finally, I've got
it all back together with generous doses of pipe
thread sealant. And it's all good.

Noticing that where the pipe comes up, is on the
far side of the washer from where the dryer presently
is. If there wasn't a flex line long enough, I
could run some black iron along the back wall, to
where the dryer is. At the moment, electric dryer.
But, gas at some time in the future, I guess.

Oh, yes! He'd forgot to mention that what he really
wanted, was the pipe through the hole in the floor
over behind the electric dryer. Hope that's not
too much work.

I went to the cellar, and spec it out a bit. Need
some pipe I don't got (brought my nipple tray, and
don't have 3 foot and 1 foot lengths. Snow is in
the forecast for next three days, we will pick up
the job Friday, which is is next day of relative
calm.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Blah...you're starting to sound like micky!

You did it the easy way.

Picked a hole in the floor easy to get to.

Made up your length of pipes by joining whatever what was at hand.

Would it have been that much harder to do it the right way? Picked the spot where the pipe should come through first, measure the amount of pipe needed, buy it in long enough lengths that your only joints are an elbow and a union? I can't believe the cost of materials for a job like this is significant; mostly this is a labor job.

Every single joint in a gas pipe is a chance to make a mistake connecting it and a chance for a future leak. I would leave as few chances as possible, knowing that the result blows up the house.

Mostly, I would be hesitant to leave my work on public view. Even if it is perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable practice, a line in plain sight with a bunch of joints for no apparent reason kinda screams Joe's Garage rather than trained careful professional, don't you think? We musicians say "every gig is an audition." You never know who will see your piping job and ask who did it.

Hate to pick on you Stormy but sometimes you're too nice to your customer and do it the cheap way, when you know (or should know) it would be better to do it right even if it costs.

On 12/9/2014 3:30 PM, TimR wrote:
You did it the easy way.

Picked a hole in the floor easy to get to.

Made up your length of pipes by joining
whatever what was at hand.

Would it have been that much harder to do it
the right way? Picked the spot where the pipe
should come through first, measure the amount of
pipe needed, buy it in long enough lengths that
your only joints are an elbow and a union? I
can't believe the cost of materials for a job
like this is significant; mostly this is a labor job.

Every single joint in a gas pipe is a chance to
make a mistake connecting it and a chance for a
future leak. I would leave as few chances as possible,
knowing that the result blows up the house.

Mostly, I would be hesitant to leave my work on
public view. Even if it is perfectly safe and
perfectly acceptable practice, a line in plain
sight with a bunch of joints for no apparent reason
kinda screams Joe's Garage rather than trained careful
professional, don't you think? We musicians say
"every gig is an audition." You never know who
will see your piping job and ask who did it.

Hate to pick on you Stormy but sometimes you're
too nice to your customer and do it the cheap way,
when you know (or should know) it would be better
to do it right even if it costs.


If you go back and read my post, I think I said
how I got the pipes together, and the customer
only then told me he wanted it in the more distant
place.

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On 12/9/2014 2:30 PM, TimR wrote:
You did it the easy way.

Picked a hole in the floor easy to get to.

Made up your length of pipes by joining whatever what was at hand.

Would it have been that much harder to do it the right way? Picked
the spot where the pipe should come through first, measure the
amount of pipe needed, buy it in long enough lengths that your only
joints are an elbow and a union? I can't believe the cost of
materials for a job like this is significant; mostly this is a
labor job.

Every single joint in a gas pipe is a chance to make a mistake
connecting it and a chance for a future leak. I would leave as few
chances as possible, knowing that the result blows up the house.

Mostly, I would be hesitant to leave my work on public view. Even
if it is perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable practice, a line
in plain sight with a bunch of joints for no apparent reason kinda
screams Joe's Garage rather than trained careful professional,
don't you think? We musicians say "every gig is an audition." You
never know who will see your piping job and ask who did it.

Hate to pick on you Stormy but sometimes you're too nice to your
customer and do it the cheap way, when you know (or should know) it
would be better to do it right even if it costs.


AFAIK, he's neither trained nor licensed to do this work. He's a
handyman/jack of all trades. I have no idea if his work would pass
inspection. Anyone hiring him does so to save money by not hiring a
pro. When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is
the most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:34:14 PM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
pro. When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is
the most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.

I'm confident I COULD do my own gas work. I work slowly and carefully and check everything multiple times. My plumbing DIY doesn't leak and my electrical doesn't blow fuses.

But I don't do gas. There are some things where it's worth hiring the pro, preferably a licensed and bonded one. I lived in a Wisconsin town where one blew during the night. The house was gone, just a hole in the ground, and half of the houses on each side were gone.

Not that pro's don't screw up sometimes too - but he's done 1500 similar jobs and this would be my first one. The odds are better.

On 12/11/2014 3:56 PM, TimR wrote:
On Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:34:14 PM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
pro. When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is
the most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.

I'm confident I COULD do my own gas work. I work slowly and carefully and check everything multiple times. My plumbing DIY doesn't leak and my electrical doesn't blow fuses.

But I don't do gas. There are some things where it's worth hiring the pro, preferably a licensed and bonded one. I lived in a Wisconsin town where one blew during the night. The house was gone, just a hole in the ground, and half of the houses on each side were gone.

Not that pro's don't screw up sometimes too - but he's done 1500 similar jobs and this would be my first one. The odds are better.


What date was that? I want to write in my journal,
make it look like I was some where else.

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Christopher A. Young
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On Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:56:50 PM UTC-6, TimR wrote:
I lived in a Wisconsin town where one blew during the night. The house was gone, just a hole in the ground, and half of the houses on each side were gone.

Tim, are you sure that wasn't LP that blew? It's higher pressure and more apt to have been DIY in rural areas.

On 12/11/2014 2:34 PM, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
AFAIK, he's neither trained nor licensed to do this work. He's a
handyman/jack of all trades. I have no idea if his work would pass
inspection. Anyone hiring him does so to save money by not hiring a pro.
When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is the
most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.

sob you've outed me, again.

I'm going to hide under the bed
all night, the license bureau will
be knocking.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:34:09 -0600, Moe DeLoughan
wrote:

On 12/9/2014 2:30 PM, TimR wrote:
You did it the easy way.

Picked a hole in the floor easy to get to.

Made up your length of pipes by joining whatever what was at hand.

Would it have been that much harder to do it the right way? Picked
the spot where the pipe should come through first, measure the
amount of pipe needed, buy it in long enough lengths that your only
joints are an elbow and a union? I can't believe the cost of
materials for a job like this is significant; mostly this is a
labor job.

Every single joint in a gas pipe is a chance to make a mistake
connecting it and a chance for a future leak. I would leave as few
chances as possible, knowing that the result blows up the house.

Mostly, I would be hesitant to leave my work on public view. Even
if it is perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable practice, a line
in plain sight with a bunch of joints for no apparent reason kinda
screams Joe's Garage rather than trained careful professional,
don't you think? We musicians say "every gig is an audition." You
never know who will see your piping job and ask who did it.

Hate to pick on you Stormy but sometimes you're too nice to your
customer and do it the cheap way, when you know (or should know) it
would be better to do it right even if it costs.


AFAIK, he's neither trained nor licensed to do this work. He's a
handyman/jack of all trades. I have no idea if his work would pass
inspection. Anyone hiring him does so to save money by not hiring a
pro. When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is
the most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.
When I did the gasline for my natural gas BarBQ I called Union Gas in
for an inspection and the inspector asked how many years I'd been
doing gas-fitting. He said it was one of the better jobs he'd seen in
the last 20 years. I'm not a gasfitter or a plumber but I know what
needs to be done and where to find out how. I DID have my motor
vehicle propane service licence a few decades ago.

Unlike Stormy I don't take shortcuts and I never have to be ashamed to
have my work seen by a pro.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:56:42 -0800 (PST), TimR
wrote:

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 2:34:14 PM UTC-5, Moe DeLoughan wrote:
pro. When it comes to natural gas, I personally think hiring a pro is
the most prudent move, but I know there are a lot of people who are
perfectly comfortable going the DIY or handyman approaches.

I'm confident I COULD do my own gas work. I work slowly and carefully and check everything multiple times. My plumbing DIY doesn't leak and my electrical doesn't blow fuses.

But I don't do gas. There are some things where it's worth hiring the pro, preferably a licensed and bonded one. I lived in a Wisconsin town where one blew during the night. The house was gone, just a hole in the ground, and half of the houses on each side were gone.

Not that pro's don't screw up sometimes too - but he's done 1500 similar jobs and this would be my first one. The odds are better.

The last few suspected gas explosions around here were in homes that
were professionally piped, and as far as has been determined, not
modified in any way by DIY. The last one was only a couple years old,
and there wasn't enough left of it for inspectors to find anything to
blame it on. (mabee chinese pipe or fittings?)

On 12/11/2014 9:07 PM, wrote:
When I did the gasline for my natural gas BarBQ I called Union Gas in
for an inspection and the inspector asked how many years I'd been
doing gas-fitting. He said it was one of the better jobs he'd seen in
the last 20 years. I'm not a gasfitter or a plumber but I know what
needs to be done and where to find out how. I DID have my motor
vehicle propane service licence a few decades ago.

Unlike Stormy I don't take shortcuts and I never have to be ashamed to
have my work seen by a pro.


Unlike Clare, I'm not OCD, and I don't
strive for perfection at the expense of
practicality. I know when not to waste
several weeks having a gold plated length
of pipe machined by eskimos living in
Switzerland who machine to .001 inch
specs.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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TimR posted for all of us...



You did it the easy way.

Picked a hole in the floor easy to get to.

Made up your length of pipes by joining whatever what was at hand.

Would it have been that much harder to do it the right way? Picked the spot where the pipe should come through first, measure the amount of pipe needed, buy it in long enough lengths that your only joints are an elbow and a union? I can't believe the cost of materials for a job like this is significant; mostly this is a labor job.

Every single joint in a gas pipe is a chance to make a mistake connecting it and a chance for a future leak. I would leave as few chances as possible, knowing that the result blows up the house.

Mostly, I would be hesitant to leave my work on public view. Even if it is perfectly safe and perfectly acceptable practice, a line in plain sight with a bunch of joints for no apparent reason kinda screams Joe's Garage rather than trained careful professional, don't you think? We musicians say "every gig is an audition." You never know who will see your piping job and ask who did it.

Hate to pick on you Stormy but sometimes you're too nice to your customer and do it the cheap way, when you know (or should know) it would be better to do it right even if it costs.

You are making a mistake he knows the "right way". KF him

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Tekkie