We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:39:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:


We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark
We have it in Kitchener/Waterloo area and most of Ontario. The rate
changes, as does the schedule, with season etc.

We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark


*Mark, I have Time of Day service from JCP&L in New Jersey. I have had it for at least 18 years. Below are the readings from my October bill which I do not fully comprehend:

On peak KWH used (38%) was 235
Off peak KWH used(62%) was 384

Charges as follows:
Customer Charge $5.28
Basic Generation Service 619 KWH x -0.003328 -$2.06
384 OFFKWH x 0.065156 $25.02
235 ONKWH x 0.153702 $36.12
Delivery Service Charges 121 KWH x 0.007273 $0.88
498 KWH x 0.007711 $3.84
619 KWH x 0.000178 $0.11
235 ONKWH x 0.038809 $9.12
384 OFFKWH x 0.025807 $9.91

Current Consumption Bill Charges $88.22 (What I paid)

Note: I did not use any heat or air conditioning during this period.

I think that this is my winter rate. The numbers above change during the summer which is higher. As an electrician I have learned to conserve and it reflects in my bills. Many years ago my bills were much higher. Increased insulation was the most significant energy saving move I made which also included caulking every little hole that I could find in the attic with firestop caulk. Whenever I open an interior wall to do some work I caulk any holes and install insulation. Bigger holes for ducts and pipes I either drywall around them and caulk or use mineral wool and caulk. I can't tell you how many times I have opened an outlet or switch box in a customer's house and felt a breeze coming through the wall opening. It was not just exterior walls that had air movement, but interior walls as well. This is what led me to caulk every opening.

Winter hours for peak are from 8:am until 8m Summer peak hours are 9:am until 9m.

John Grabowski
http://www.MrElectrician.TV

On 11/5/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:

We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark


Alliant Energy in Iowa has Time-of-Day pricing and we actually are
enrolled in it. There is a small monthly charge (around $3) but we have
saved money each and every month with the plan. We probably could save
substantially more if we put a timer on our electric water heater. We
pay 40% more during on-peak time and 50% less during off-peak time. If
you have an electric clothes dryer as we do you learn to dry you clothes
at night or on weekends. Following are the details of the plan which I
cut and pasted from their website.

--------------------------------------------------------
All the electric energy you use during
off-peak hours – times when the demands
for electricity are lowest – is billed at a 50
percent discount.

When is off-peak? Between the hours
of 8 p.m. and 7 a.m. weekdays and all
weekend, Central Standard Time. That’s
11 hours every weekday – and all day
Saturday and Sunday – for a total of 103
hours out of every 168 hours a week that you
can save 50 percent.

During daylight saving time, the off-peak hours are
9 p.m. to 8 a.m., Monday – Friday.
Although you earn a discount for the off-peak
electricity you use, you also pay a 40 percent premium
for the electricity you use during weekday on-peak
periods.
----------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:58:33 -0600, IGot2P wrote
in

When is off-peak? Between the hours
of 8 p.m. and 7 a.m. weekdays

Well, we are early morning people. That would leave us 1 hour at
night and 1 hour in the morning for electric clothes drying.

IMO that's one small step removed from being a third-world country.
But it's "green".
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wrote:

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:39:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:


We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

TXU deployed smart meters a few years ago. They have been offering a
"Free nights" plan for a while now, where power from something like
8pm-6am is "free". I haven't looked into it in much detail yet, I
suspect the "free" only applies to the generation charge and not the
transmission charge, but either way it offers some potentially big
savings if you can do some load management to shift as much load as
possible to those "free" hours.

On 11/6/2014 6:45 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:58:33 -0600, IGot2P wrote
in

When is off-peak? Between the hours
of 8 p.m. and 7 a.m. weekdays

Well, we are early morning people. That would leave us 1 hour at
night and 1 hour in the morning for electric clothes drying.

IMO that's one small step removed from being a third-world country.
But it's "green".


We are the opposite so it gives us about 5 hours at night and none in
the morning. Like I previously said we have saved money each and every
month...not much, but some.

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wrote:

On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:39:42 -0800 (PST), wrote:


We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak.
This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak
meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal
rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they
have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at
the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing
soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

TXU deployed smart meters a few years ago. They have been offering a
"Free nights" plan for a while now, where power from something like
8pm-6am is "free". I haven't looked into it in much detail yet, I
suspect the "free" only applies to the generation charge and not the
transmission charge, but either way it offers some potentially big
savings if you can do some load management to shift as much load as
possible to those "free" hours.

I ran the numbers for several family homes and no matter how you sl;ice TXU
'gets you'

In article ,
says...

On 11/5/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:

We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark



We had an analog day/night meter some 25+ years ago from NYSEG. It had
two sets of dials that were activated by an electric timer in the meter.
It was only available to folks who used electricity as their primary
heat source.

As I recall, the price for electricity during the heating season was
something like .10/kWh during the day and .025 at night, which I think
was 10pm - 8am. We had a timer on the water heater and used kerosene
during the day for heat. Our usage was about 50/50 day/night, so I think
we did pretty well in that respect.

Here's the fun part. Since it was an analog meter, a power failure
would stop the timer. This meant, for example, that a two hour outage
would cause the night rate to kick in at midnight instead of 10pm. It
stayed that way until the power company came out and reset the clock to
the correct time. During a particularly bad spring, we had enough
outages that were timed just right, so we had cheap rates from around
noon to 8pm for a few years until we moved out of that house. I assume
it's been fixed by now.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:22:37 -0600, Mike Hartigan
wrote in

As I recall, the price for electricity during the heating season was
something like .10/kWh during the day and .025 at night, which I think
was 10pm - 8am. We had a timer on the water heater and used kerosene
during the day for heat. Our usage was about 50/50 day/night, so I think
we did pretty well in that respect.

1 gal kerosene = 135,000 btu ~= 34kwh delivered into room ~= $3.40
equivalent electric day price

Around here, prices for kero are about $4.00/gal. How much is it
around you? If more than $3.40 then electric is cheaper.
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On Thursday, November 6, 2014 8:23:04 PM UTC-5, Mike Hartigan wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 11/5/2014 3:39 PM, wrote:

We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak. This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark



We had an analog day/night meter some 25+ years ago from NYSEG. It had
two sets of dials that were activated by an electric timer in the meter.
It was only available to folks who used electricity as their primary
heat source.

As I recall, the price for electricity during the heating season was
something like .10/kWh during the day and .025 at night, which I think
was 10pm - 8am. We had a timer on the water heater and used kerosene
during the day for heat. Our usage was about 50/50 day/night, so I think
we did pretty well in that respect.

Here's the fun part. Since it was an analog meter, a power failure
would stop the timer. This meant, for example, that a two hour outage
would cause the night rate to kick in at midnight instead of 10pm. It
stayed that way until the power company came out and reset the clock to
the correct time. During a particularly bad spring, we had enough
outages that were timed just right, so we had cheap rates from around
noon to 8pm for a few years until we moved out of that house. I assume
it's been fixed by now.

We had similar for WH back in the 60s/70s here in NJ. IDK if they still have
it or not. With a WH, we never experienced any unusual behavior due to power
outages upsetting the timer in the meter, but I did wonder about it. I assumed
that it would get reset next time they read the meter. Assuming the meter
reader remembered to check.

I just checked JCPL website and they still have the lower rates for WH off-peak.
Looks like it's ~.02 per kwh instead of about .05. I guess you still have to
pay the delivery charges, which are separate. So, looks like it might lower the
rate from ~.13 to about .10.

On 11/6/2014 7:45 AM, CRNG wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 21:58:33 -0600, IGot2P wrote
in

When is off-peak? Between the hours
of 8 p.m. and 7 a.m. weekdays

Well, we are early morning people. That would leave us 1 hour at
night and 1 hour in the morning for electric clothes drying.

IMO that's one small step removed from being a third-world country.
But it's "green".

I have JCP&L time of day service in NJ. The hours for off peak
electricity are 8PM-8AM (or 9PM -9AM) but from Friday night to
Monday morning is off peak.

That's when I do laundry, on the weekends.

nancy

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:22:37 -0600, Mike Hartigan
wrote in

As I recall, the price for electricity during the heating season was
something like .10/kWh during the day and .025 at night, which I think
was 10pm - 8am. We had a timer on the water heater and used kerosene
during the day for heat. Our usage was about 50/50 day/night, so I think
we did pretty well in that respect.

1 gal kerosene = 135,000 btu ~= 34kwh delivered into room ~= $3.40
equivalent electric day price

Around here, prices for kero are about $4.00/gal. How much is it
around you? If more than $3.40 then electric is cheaper.

At the time, kerosene was selling for around $.70/gal. It had the side
benefit of boosting the humidity in the house - a good thing in the
northeast - and the resulting lack of oxygen made you feel warmer than
you really were

On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:56:28 -0600, Mike Hartigan
wrote in

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 6 Nov 2014 19:22:37 -0600, Mike Hartigan
wrote in

As I recall, the price for electricity during the heating season was
something like .10/kWh during the day and .025 at night, which I think
was 10pm - 8am. We had a timer on the water heater and used kerosene
during the day for heat. Our usage was about 50/50 day/night, so I think
we did pretty well in that respect.

1 gal kerosene = 135,000 btu ~= 34kwh delivered into room ~= $3.40
equivalent electric day price

Around here, prices for kero are about $4.00/gal. How much is it
around you? If more than $3.40 then electric is cheaper.

At the time, kerosene was selling for around $.70/gal. It had the side
benefit of boosting the humidity in the house - a good thing in the
northeast - and the resulting lack of oxygen made you feel warmer than
you really were

Wow! That's a great price for kero at a time when electirc was
$0.10/kWh
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...

We used to have a seperate meter for off peak and another for on peak.
This was a good deal, I had the electric water heater on the off peak
meter and enjoyed the savings. The off peak was about 1/2 the normal rate.

Now we have progressed.

PECO replaced the analog meters with one digital smart meter but they have
NOT yet offered time of use billing. Now all energy is billed at the same
higher rate.
Hopefully PECO will get into the 21th century and offer off TOU billing
soon.

So I am curious. Who has time of use metering avaialble now?
How much discount is the off peak and how much premium is the on peak?
What are the hours for off peak and on peak?

thanks

Mark

Progress is just wonderful.

It is not PECO that just changed things, the PA PUC forced them to end the
OP and RH discount rates.

At some point the PA PUC will force TOU billing on us, as that is the whole
point of forcing smart meters on us (that we are forced to pay for in higher
electric distribution rates).

The majority of PECO customers can't even comprehend or properly use
competitive electric generation pricing so they sure are going to love TOU
pricing with competing deals.

Will TOU pricing be fixed fixed rate, fixed variable rate, variable variable
rate, random number variable rate or random number random number rate?

When TOU pricing comes down the pike the PA PUC better supply a spreadsheet
app to make sense of it.

On 11/7/2014 7:40 PM, terrable wrote:
Progress is just wonderful.

It is not PECO that just changed things, the PA PUC forced them to end the
OP and RH discount rates.

At some point the PA PUC will force TOU billing on us, as that is the whole
point of forcing smart meters on us (that we are forced to pay for in higher
electric distribution rates).

The majority of PECO customers can't even comprehend or properly use
competitive electric generation pricing so they sure are going to love TOU
pricing with competing deals.

Will TOU pricing be fixed fixed rate, fixed variable rate, variable variable
rate, random number variable rate or random number random number rate?

When TOU pricing comes down the pike the PA PUC better supply a spreadsheet
app to make sense of it.


IOAO!

I'm on acronym overload.

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On 11/7/2014 7:40 PM, terrable wrote:
Progress is just wonderful.

It is not PECO that just changed things, the PA PUC forced them to end
the
OP and RH discount rates.

At some point the PA PUC will force TOU billing on us, as that is the
whole
point of forcing smart meters on us (that we are forced to pay for in
higher
electric distribution rates).

The majority of PECO customers can't even comprehend or properly use
competitive electric generation pricing so they sure are going to love
TOU
pricing with competing deals.

Will TOU pricing be fixed fixed rate, fixed variable rate, variable
variable
rate, random number variable rate or random number random number rate?

When TOU pricing comes down the pike the PA PUC better supply a
spreadsheet
app to make sense of it.


IOAO!

I'm on acronym overload.


That is a good and new one.

Google only has AOS and AAAO.

It all makes sense to the OP.

HA-HA

It does
PECO =the electric company in philly
PA PUC = pennsylvania public utility commish
RH = residential heating rate
TOU = time of use rate

It all makes sense except the part of how the Pa PUC is supposed to protect the consumer instead of screwing us