I don't know if you guys heard this or not, but today in Ottawa (the capital city of Canada), a gunman armed with a rifle shot one of the soldiers standing guard at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, which is only steps away from the Parliament Building. Apparantly, even though the guards at the War Memorial have rifles, they have no ammunition for those rifles, so the guard was essentially unarmed. Some reports say that there were two guards, but only one was killed.

The gunman then ran into the front entrance of the Parliament Building, right past the building's own security people and got into a gun fight with the guards there. The chief of security at the Parliament building, called the "Master of Arms" came out of his office to see what was going on and came face to face with the gunman. The Master of Arms dropped to the floor and fired three shots with his revolver to kill the gunman.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are now investigating this to see if it was in any way related to the terroism being exported to western countries by groups like ISIS.

This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got as far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for people to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need to act. A similar thing happened at the White House just about a week or so ago, but in that case the guy wasn't armed.

Parliament Hill shooting in Ottawa: B.C. MPs seek shelter, VPD to assist Ottawa police | Globalnews.ca

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:17:08 AM UTC-4, nestork wrote:
I don't know if you guys heard this or not, but today in Ottawa (the
capital city of Canada), a gunman armed with a rifle shot one of the
soldiers standing guard at the National War Memorial in Ottawa, which is
only steps away from the Parliament Building. Apparantly, even though
the guards at the War Memorial have rifles, they have no ammunition for
those rifles, so the guard was essentially unarmed. Some reports say
that there were two guards, but only one was killed.

The gunman then ran into the front entrance of the Parliament Building,
right past the building's own security people and got into a gun fight
with the guards there. The chief of security at the Parliament
building, called the "Master of Arms" came out of his office to see what
was going on and came face to face with the gunman. The Master of Arms
dropped to the floor and fired three shots with his revolver to kill the
gunman.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are now investigating this to see if
it was in any way related to the terroism being exported to western
countries by groups like ISIS.

This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got as
far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one
expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for people
to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need to
act. A similar thing happened at the White House just about a week or
so ago, but in that case the guy wasn't armed.

'Parliament Hill shooting in Ottawa: B.C. MPs seek shelter, VPD to
assist Ottawa police | Globalnews.ca' (http://tinyurl.com/ptd5pz7)




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nestork

Yes, it was the lead news story here in the USA. It's not similar to
the WH incident. That was a case of a deranged nut. I'm pretty sure
you'll find that the Ottawa incident is islamic terrorism at work again.
You had a previous case just 2 days before, where one ran over a cop
and killed him. ISIS has called for sympathizers to kill police, military,
etc. From the reports here, the Ottawa guy was a recent convert to islam.

I don't understand how these guys can get converted over to suicide idiots
so easily, even by just the internet. It's easier to understand a bunch
of brainwashed loons when they are brought up that way, or all together in
a group 24/7, like the Jim Jones Koolaid drinkers, etc.

That hit-and-run two days ago was a recent convert to Islamic terrorism who ran over a soldier in the Canadian Armed Forces with a car and killed him. IIRC, it wasn't a cop but a soldier. There was a second soldier who was injured in the incident, IIRC.

My understanding is that ISIS is calling for any sort of attack on all of the western countries that are aligned against them, including those in western Europe, like Germany, France and England. But it also includes the British Commonwealth countries like Australia, New Zealand and Canada. The hit-and-run a few days ago was almost certainly Jihad-inspired, but the shooter yesterday isn't as certain. That shooter came from Quebec but had a long criminal record in British Columbia, including armed robbery. He had his passport rescinded because he had traveled abroad and it was suspected that he had contacted groups like ISIS.

I don't know what it's going to take, but I feel that western democracies HAVE TO destroy ISIS and groups that think like them. They won't stop until they have the whole world practicing their form of perverted Islam, and I for one don't want to be shackled in that way. I can't help thinking that those that do jump on the ISIS bandwagon are crackpots and misfits that are half convinced they're going to end their own lives anyway, and figure they can do it with a bigger bang if they commit "suicide by cop" in an apparant ISIS inspired terrorist attack.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:40:39 +0200, nestork
wrote:

This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got as
far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one
expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for people
to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need to
act.

In Quebec 1984, "Denis Lortie (born March 10, 1959) is a former
Canadian army corporal. In 1984, he stormed into the National Assembly
of Quebec building and opened fire with several firearms, killing
three Quebec government employees and wounding 13 others."

Two C-1 Submachine guns (9mm NATO)
Inglis pistol (9mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

Oren posted for all of us...


On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:40:39 +0200, nestork
wrote:

This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got as
far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one
expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for people
to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need to
act.

In Quebec 1984, "Denis Lortie (born March 10, 1959) is a former
Canadian army corporal. In 1984, he stormed into the National Assembly
of Quebec building and opened fire with several firearms, killing
three Quebec government employees and wounding 13 others."

Two C-1 Submachine guns (9mm NATO)
Inglis pistol (9mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

I guess the word terrorist wasn't popular then...
Remember they walk amongst us. You are responsible to protect yourself.
The Sargent of Arms was ready, unlike many other shootings where citizens
have been disarmed and multiple victims ensued. The training he had showed
through. I wonder if he ever had to fire in the line of duty as a RCMP?
Maybe that question shouldn't be asked because someone would tag him blood
thirsty...

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Tekkie

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:19:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

Oren posted for all of us...


On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:40:39 +0200, nestork
wrote:

This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got as
far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one
expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for people
to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need to
act.

In Quebec 1984, "Denis Lortie (born March 10, 1959) is a former
Canadian army corporal. In 1984, he stormed into the National Assembly
of Quebec building and opened fire with several firearms, killing
three Quebec government employees and wounding 13 others."

Two C-1 Submachine guns (9mm NATO)
Inglis pistol (9mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

I guess the word terrorist wasn't popular then...

Wasn't airline highjackers called terrorist, circa 1970's?

Remember they walk amongst us. You are responsible to protect yourself.

I'll die ankle deep in spent brass cartridges only when I run out of
bullets.

The Sargent of Arms was ready, unlike many other shootings where citizens
have been disarmed and multiple victims ensued. The training he had showed
through. I wonder if he ever had to fire in the line of duty as a RCMP?

I'm sure the Sergeant-at-Arms in this current case will be honored
with the Cross of Valour in coming weeks. He makes me proud. Duty
Honor & Country.

Maybe that question shouldn't be asked because someone would tag him blood
thirsty...

RCMP Motto - Maintiens le droit, "Defending the Law"

I always heard it as "we always get our man" or similar

Yes, I remember that, but it was 30 years ago, and it was in a different building. Quebec has it's own government (just like each province has), and the Quebec government is called the National Assembly. The shooting yesterday occured in the building which houses the federal government of Canada. (we have too many governments governing us)

Still, if something happened 30 years ago, by now our guard is down. I think it's only North and South Korea that still have their guard up against each other after, what, 65 or so years now?

But, information about the shooter is now coming out. Apparantly he was living in a homeless shelter in Ottawa for the past few weeks, and people that knew him say he was battling a drug addiction. Those people are saying that he may have realized that he was hopelessly addicted and decided to "commit suicide by cop". Apparantly, his mother, who also lives in Ottawa, says that she spoke with him a few weeks ago, that that was the last time that she had any contact with him for about 5 years! That, to me, indicates a completely dysfunctional family when a son and his mother go for that long without any contact whatsoever. He had accumulated a long criminal record in British Columbia and was well known to police there.

Long story short, this guy seems to have been a train wreck waiting to happen his whole life.

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:09:56 +0200, nestork
wrote:

Long story short, this guy seems to have been a train wreck waiting to
happen his whole life.

Maybe one day science will figure out how the brain works. In the mean
time; don't blame the gun! Maybe the guy needed his ass whipped with a
belt at an earlier age.

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I like Guns and Titties

On 10/23/2014 3:19 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
Remember they walk amongst us. You are responsible to protect yourself.
The Sargent of Arms was ready, unlike many other shootings where citizens
have been disarmed and multiple victims ensued. The training he had showed
through. I wonder if he ever had to fire in the line of duty as a RCMP?
Maybe that question shouldn't be asked because someone would tag him blood
thirsty...


On the radio today, someone quoted. I think
the source is Wayne LaPierre, from NRA. "The
only answer to a bad guy with a gun, is a
good guy with a gun."

Remember the mass shooting at Fort Hood, when
all the military guys had no ammo, so they
had to call in police who had live ammo?


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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
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On 10/23/2014 3:48 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:19:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

The Sargent of Arms was ready, unlike many other shootings where citizens
have been disarmed and multiple victims ensued. The training he had showed
through. I wonder if he ever had to fire in the line of duty as a RCMP?

I'm sure the Sergeant-at-Arms in this current case will be honored
with the Cross of Valour in coming weeks. He makes me proud. Duty
Honor & Country.


Or they will convene investigation, why he didn't
"shoot em in the leg".

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 10/23/2014 4:09 PM, nestork wrote:
But, information about the shooter is now coming out. Apparantly he was
living in a homeless shelter in Ottawa for the past few weeks, and
people that knew him say he was battling a drug addiction. Those people
are saying that he may have realized that he was hopelessly addicted and
decided to "commit suicide by cop". Apparantly, his mother, who also
lives in Ottawa, says that she spoke with him a few weeks ago, that that
was the last time that she had any contact with him for about 5 years!
That, to me, indicates a completely dysfunctional family when a son and
his mother go for that long without any contact whatsoever. He had
accumulated a long criminal record in British Columbia and was well
known to police there.

Long story short, this guy seems to have been a train wreck waiting to
happen his whole life.

And this, in gun free Canada, and a gun free zone?


--
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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:12:15 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 10/23/2014 3:48 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:19:53 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote:

The Sargent of Arms was ready, unlike many other shootings where citizens
have been disarmed and multiple victims ensued. The training he had showed
through. I wonder if he ever had to fire in the line of duty as a RCMP?

I'm sure the Sergeant-at-Arms in this current case will be honored
with the Cross of Valour in coming weeks. He makes me proud. Duty
Honor & Country.


Or they will convene investigation, why he didn't
"shoot em in the leg".

Not after today's standing ovation. Won't happen!

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3854785532001/standing-ovation-for-hero-who-stopped-ottawa-attack/#sp=show-clips

https://tinyurl.com/kzmynjj

The man is now a hero. He saved the Canadian government from being
shot dead in caucus meeting rooms. He earned the Cross of Valour, it
should be bestowed upon him.

That's right. The Master of Arms in the Canadian Parliament Building is Kevin Vickars. He was the one who shot Michael Salef Bidoux.

Today, when Kevin Vickars opened the daily session of parliament, he received a standing ovation from all the members of parliament. The standing ovation lasted for minutes. He'll probably get some sort of medal or citation.

Michael Salef Bidoux was the gunman. His father was Libyan and his mother was French Canadian. He was in Ottawa to straighten out a problem with getting his passport, and he had plans to go to Syria. He had e-mails on his computer from people who are known to the RCMP to have ties to terrorist groups in Syria.

"nestork" wrote in message
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'Oren[_2_ Wrote:
;3299761']On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 06:40:39 +0200, nestork
wrote:
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This kind of thing has never happened before, and the gunman only got
as
far as he did because his actions took everyone by surprise. No one
expected anything like this to happen, and it takes some time for
people
to get it into their heads that it really is happening, and they need
to
act.-

In Quebec 1984, "Denis Lortie (born March 10, 1959) is a former
Canadian army corporal. In 1984, he stormed into the National Assembly
of Quebec building and opened fire with several firearms, killing
three Quebec government employees and wounding 13 others."

Two C-1 Submachine guns (9mm NATO)
Inglis pistol (9mm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denis_Lortie

Yes, I remember that, but it was 30 years ago, and it was in a different
building. Quebec has it's own government (just like each province has),
and the Quebec government is called the National Assembly. The shooting
yesterday occured in the building which houses the federal government of
Canada. (we have too many governments governing us)

Still, if something happened 30 years ago, by now our guard is down. I
think it's only North and South Korea that still have their guard up
against each other after, what, 65 or so years now?

But, information about the shooter is now coming out. Apparantly he was
living in a homeless shelter in Ottawa for the past few weeks, and
people that knew him say he was battling a drug addiction. Those people
are saying that he may have realized that he was hopelessly addicted and
decided to "commit suicide by cop". Apparantly, his mother, who also
lives in Ottawa, says that she spoke with him a few weeks ago, that that
was the last time that she had any contact with him for about 5 years!
That, to me, indicates a completely dysfunctional family when a son and
his mother go for that long without any contact whatsoever. He had
accumulated a long criminal record in British Columbia and was well
known to police there.

Long story short, this guy seems to have been a train wreck waiting to
happen his whole life.




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His face book posting and the fact he purchased a car the day before
would seem to indicate he was Aok except for the whole gotta kill
infidel thingy.