On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:42:06 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

It will still rust but the clothes would be protected from rust stains.

What would protect the clothes from rust stains if the wire rusted?

BTW, here is nylon coated wi http://i60.tinypic.com/kcbhs.jpg

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On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:42:06 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

It will still rust but the clothes would be protected from rust
stains.

What would protect the clothes from rust stains if the wire rusted?

The coating in which the wire is incased. Like the jpg you linked.

BTW, here is nylon coated wi http://i60.tinypic.com/kcbhs.jpg

Vinyl, not nylon.



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BTW, do you just *knot* the two ends? Or is there a graceful
way to connect the two ends so that they can go through the
pulley?

If the rope is 3 strand twist it is easy to splice. Ditto if it is a 4
strand plaid. If it is braided, forget it.

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Also, do you use bigger pulleys (ot keep the ropes apart)?

Use four pulleys mounted horizontally, two at each end...you can mount
each pair as far apart as you want.

However, what you want to do seems pretty infeasible to be. Yes, you can
hang a "chinese anchor" to tension the lines but if you hang much -
especially sheets and towels - you are going to need a HEAVY weight.


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On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:08:01 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

BTW, here is nylon coated wi http://i60.tinypic.com/kcbhs.jpg

Vinyl, not nylon.

My bad. Vinyl coated wire.

At first I thought you were joking, but when I saw the coated wire
in the store, I realized you were serious.

Besides the fact it will last forever outside in the sun, what
is the advantage of the wire over the rope?

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:14:24 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

Use four pulleys mounted horizontally, two at each end...you can mount
each pair as far apart as you want.

Good idea!

Then I could use the two-inch steel pulleys, since the actual width of
the pulley wheel wouldn't be what is keeping the two ropes apart.

However, what you want to do seems pretty infeasible to be. Yes, you can
hang a "chinese anchor" to tension the lines but if you hang much -
especially sheets and towels - you are going to need a HEAVY weight.

I didn't understand why a clothesline isn't feasible.

Nobody goes from a window to a tree?

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:10:39 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

If the rope is 3 strand twist it is easy to splice.

That, I've never done!

I didn't even know you _could_ splice a clothesline rope.

I'll have to look up how, once I buy the right type.

Jason Marshall wrote: "I have a third-story window that goes out to a grove of oak trees where I
want to attach a clothesline from the window to the trees about 100 feet
away."

LOL and I thought this thing was going between two highrise apartments across from each other on Fifth Ave in Manhattan!

Jason Marshall wrote: "I have a third-story window that goes out to a grove of oak trees where I
want to attach a clothesline from the window to the trees about 100 feet
away. "

LOL and I thought from the subject that this thing was going between two high rise apartments across from each other on Fifth Ave. in Manhattan!

Jason Marshall wrote: "I have a third-story window that goes out to a grove of oak trees where I
want to attach a clothesline from the window to the trees about 100 feet
away. "

LOL and I thought from the subject that this thing was going between two high rise apartments across from each other on Fifth Ave. in Manhattan!

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:17:23 -0700, thekmanrocks wrote:

LOL and I thought this thing was going between two highrise apartments
across from each other on Fifth Ave in Manhattan!

I should have mentioned the grove is on a hill, which brings the BOTTOM
of the trees about at the level of midway through the second story.

On 9/24/14, 4:49 PM, Jason Marshall wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:20:11 -0700, Pavel314 wrote:

Are you planning to have a loop of clothesline with pulleys at each end so that you can pull the line to move the clothes in and out?

I just realized the pulleys only have enough room for the rope itself.
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=t89sme&s=8

Do you *knot* the ends?

If you knot them, they won't go through the pulleys.

You don't want the knot to go through the pulleys. If the knot goes
through, your clothes will go next.

Also, do you use bigger pulleys (to keep the ropes apart)?

Sag will keep the ropes well apart. If you have 10 pounds of clothes 50
feet from the house and the sag is 5 feet, that will be 50 pounds on the
line and 100 pounds on each pulley.

If the sag is 1 foot, that will be 250 pounds on the line and 500 pounds
on each pulley.

If you can transplant the trees 10 feet from the bathroom window, that
will mean less strain on the line and pulleys. If you can hook the
house pulley to an interior wall, you can hang and remove the laundry
standing inside the house... much faster and safer than leaning out a
window!

Jason Marshall wrote:
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:17:32 -0700, Thomas wrote:

Try coated steel cable with pulleys and expansion spring.

Why steel?


No stretch.

What does "coated" mean?


Coated. Galvanized will last a while.

Would it not rust?

Eventually.

Any cord will have a lot of stretch. They all react to humidity.
Use combination cord and steel. Mostly steel.

Greg

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:42:03 -0400, J Burns wrote:

If you can transplant the trees 10 feet from the bathroom window, that
will mean less strain on the line and pulleys. If you can hook the
house pulley to an interior wall, you can hang and remove the laundry
standing inside the house... much faster and safer than leaning out a
window!

I went for a walk through the oak grove on the hill at the back of the
house, and I might just put the line through a set of trees.

Of course, then it's shaded, but, they will still dry.
I guess I'm more worried about the birds ...

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:08:01 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

BTW, here is nylon coated wi http://i60.tinypic.com/kcbhs.jpg

Vinyl, not nylon.

My bad. Vinyl coated wire.

At first I thought you were joking, but when I saw the coated wire
in the store, I realized you were serious.

Besides the fact it will last forever outside in the sun, what
is the advantage of the wire over the rope?

No, it won't last forever. The sun eats everything including my 81 year
old forearms. The advantage is no (appreciable) stretch.

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BTW, do you just *knot* the two ends? Or is there a graceful
way to connect the two ends so that they can go through the
pulley?

If the rope is 3 strand twist it is easy to splice. Ditto if it is a 4
strand plaid.

Plait, not plaid.



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On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:10:39 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

If the rope is 3 strand twist it is easy to splice.

That, I've never done!

I didn't even know you _could_ splice a clothesline rope.

It depends on how the rope is constructed, not on its use.

I'll have to look up how, once I buy the right type.

There are two joining splices for three strand twist rope: short and long.

The short splice increases the diameter of the rope(s) where they are
joined. Here's a how to...
http://www.animatedknots.com/splices...matedknots.com

The long spice does not increase the diameter...
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...t.do?docId=920

However, there is no reason to splice the rope, a knot will do. I know
you are worried that the knot won't pass through he sheave but it doesn't
have to...

You start hanging clothes with next to the knot. You pull the other side
of the rope so the knot travels away from you and then hang more clothes.
You repeat all this until the knot reaches the sheave farthest from you;
when it does, you have hung all the wet laundry you can possibly hang, a
splice won't let you hang more.

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:14:24 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

Use four pulleys mounted horizontally, two at each end...you can mount
each pair as far apart as you want.

Good idea!

Then I could use the two-inch steel pulleys, since the actual width of
the pulley wheel wouldn't be what is keeping the two ropes apart.

However, what you want to do seems pretty infeasible to be. Yes, you
can hang a "chinese anchor" to tension the lines but if you hang
much -
especially sheets and towels - you are going to need a HEAVY weight.

I didn't understand why a clothesline isn't feasible.

Nobody goes from a window to a tree?

None that I have ever met

Two reasons:

1. Hanging out a window to hang clothes from three stories up injects a
certain amount of danger.

2. You are talking about a 100' long line. That is a L O N G
clothsline, most would be in the 30' or less range. The longer the line
the more sag there will be with a given weight. Now, if you hang up 100'
of wet socks or underwear, that is one thing; 100' of wet towels and
sheets is another.

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On 9/25/2014 9:02 AM, dadiOH wrote:
No, it won't last forever. The sun eats
everything including my 81 year
old forearms. The advantage is no
(appreciable) stretch.


Better check and see if you are legal. It says
the right to keep and forearms shall not be
infringed, but now days you might need a
permit, especially if concealed hand arms.

Old folks tend to shrink, not stretch
vertical. And stretch horizontal.

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On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 20:42:03 -0400, J Burns wrote:

If you can transplant the trees 10 feet from the bathroom window, that
will mean less strain on the line and pulleys. If you can hook the
house pulley to an interior wall, you can hang and remove the laundry
standing inside the house... much faster and safer than leaning out a
window!

I went for a walk through the oak grove on the hill at the back of the
house, and I might just put the line through a set of trees.

Of course, then it's shaded, but, they will still dry.
I guess I'm more worried about the birds ...

Bird poop? You could always build a roof over the clothesline

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On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:25:50 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

2. You are talking about a 100' long line.

I have reconsidered, and, back on the ground, up on the oak knoll, I can
string a line between two trees, even though it will be shaded (and
birded).

So, now the problem set becomes simpler.

On Thu, 25 Sep 2014 09:17:03 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

However, there is no reason to splice the rope, a knot will do. I know
you are worried that the knot won't pass through he sheave but it
doesn't have to...

Having never hung clothes on a clothesline, but having seen it done on
TV, that is the key point that I needed to realize.

Jason Marshall wrote:
I have a third-story window that goes out to a grove of oak trees where I
want to attach a clothesline from the window to the trees about 100 feet
away.

I will go to Home Depot and ask for clothes line, but, before I do, do
you have experience with something like this that you can make
recommendations?

Steel wire will not last forever, even if coated. What would work would
be coated stainless steel wire, such as they use for lifelines on a
boat. But if you bought it thick enough for a clothespin to get a good
bite, it would be too inflexible to run through a pulley, unless you had
a really big pulley, and in any event, the cost would be extreme.

I think UV protected Dacron line, thick enough for a clothespin to grab,
would be your best option in terms of weather resistance and cost, but
even that would become stiff after years of exposure.

I used it to hang a bird feeder 12 or 14 years ago, and it still works,
but is getting stiff and hard to run through my pulley.

Jason Marshall wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 16:17:23 -0700, thekmanrocks wrote:

LOL and I thought this thing was going between two highrise apartments
across from each other on Fifth Ave in Manhattan!

I should have mentioned the grove is on a hill, which brings the BOTTOM
of the trees about at the level of midway through the second story.

I think you don't need four pulleys; two will do. Four would be needed
if you were using metal wire, which doesn't like to be bent back upon
itself, so you would need 4 90 degree bends.

With a more flexible line, you would create a loop, with a upper and
lower line. Knot it securely in the upper line, and pull the lower line
until the knot is near the far pulley, then start hanging whatever you
are drying from the lower line. Hang one item, then pull the top line;
the knot will move toward you, and the first item will move away. Then
hang the second item and repeat the pulling. Eventually the lower line
will be filled, or you will be out of items. Reverse to collect the
dried items. The weight of the drying items on the bottom line will
keep the lines apart. You still need some kind of device to allow
stretch when the tree sways, but limits stretch when the line is loaded.

I say use a knot, because splicing requires skill and experience, and I
wouldn't go through learning that procedure for a one-time job. Also,
if well tied, a knot can be untied if you want to take the line inside
for the winter. You can't do that with a splice.

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I say use a knot,

He was worried about the knot not being able to go through the sheave. A
needless worry since the knot doesn't HAVE to go through it.

because splicing requires skill and experience,

Oh, not all that much...look at the picture, do as the pictures show.
Splicing wire rope is harder...

a knot can be untied if you want to take the line inside
for the winter. You can't do that with a splice.

Sure you can...eye splice in one end with a snap or shackle, eye splice in
the other end with a thimble Even WITHOUT a thimble

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gregz wrote, on Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:56:08 +0000:

Try coated steel cable with pulleys and expansion spring.

Why steel?


No stretch.

Here's an example of a 125 foot long clothesline!
https://c3.staticflickr.com/3/2943/1...edf3ba0c_c.jpg

Actually, it's a cable we put up for a suspension bridge,
but, it's at least 50 feet high at the downhill part and only
about 15 feet high in the uphill part - but I figured it would
serve by way of example that it can be done.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:22:28 +0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
wrote:

gregz wrote, on Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:56:08 +0000:

Try coated steel cable with pulleys and expansion spring.

Why steel?


No stretch.

Here's an example of a 125 foot long clothesline!
https://c3.staticflickr.com/3/2943/1...edf3ba0c_c.jpg

Actually, it's a cable we put up for a suspension bridge,
but, it's at least 50 feet high at the downhill part and only
about 15 feet high in the uphill part - but I figured it would
serve by way of example that it can be done.

How big are the clothes pins on a 3/8" cable

Oren wrote, on Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:13:49 -0700:

How big are the clothes pins on a 3/8" cable

I guess we'd have to use battery clamps!
http://www.ozprodrivers.com.au/shop/...clamp_TC25.jpg

On 9/29/2014 1:26 AM, Danny D. wrote:
Oren wrote, on Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:13:49 -0700:

How big are the clothes pins on a 3/8" cable

I guess we'd have to use battery clamps!
http://www.ozprodrivers.com.au/shop/...clamp_TC25.jpg


I was thinking of notching sections
of phone poles.

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