So this will probably not be the "Good News"(tm) story chosen by US
broadcast networks to end their dinner-time evening newscast today.

So - does this mean that Seal Team 6 (that found and extracted Bin Laden
from Pakystan) are now all dead? Or were they already eliminated before
this fine example of precision ordinance deployment?

Too bad all the blood and treasure you spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan
was for nothing.

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/milit...raq-1402387098

Islamist insurgents seized control of Iraq's second-largest city on
Tuesday in a brazen military operation that underscored the weakness of
the central government across vast swaths of the country.
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You went in and raped Iraq, left it a shell unable to re-establish
itself politically or defend itself from terrorists, and now it's
disintigrating. None of that would have happened if you left Hussein in
power.

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Friendly Fire Strike Kills 5 Special Operations Soldiers in Afghanistan
By AZAM AHMEDJUNE 10, 2014

KABUL, Afghanistan — Five American Special Operations service members
and at least one Afghan soldier were killed when a United States Air
Force B-1 bomber unleashed an airstrike on their position in southern
Afghanistan, in one of the deadliest instances of friendly fire in more
than a decade of war, Afghan and American officials said Tuesday.

Investigators were looking into possible causes, including faulty
coordinates, an errant bomb or other human error.

The Pentagon press secretary, Rear Adm. John Kirby, said in a statement
that five American soldiers had been killed “during a security operation
in southern Afghanistan.”

“Investigators are looking into the likelihood that friendly fire was
the cause,” he added. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of
these fallen.”
Continue reading the main story
Related Coverage

The deaths happened Monday night in the restive Arghandab district of
Zabul Province, where troops were conducting security operations
connected to the presidential runoff election on Saturday, said Ghulam
Sakhi Roghliwanai, the province’s police chief.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/wo...ghanistan.html

This inaccurate and error prone high altitude bombing by "stealth"
aircraft has been a well known problem for a long time. Only
difference was that in the past it was innocent indigenous poor folks
in these foreign countries getting blow up by mistake instead of our
own troops. It will only get worse when they retire the A-10s and
start rolling out the F-35s. The F35s are so expensive they will
never let them bomb or fire near the ground where they can see their
targets to ID them for fear the plane will get shoot down. The idiot
policy makers are forcing teh retirement of the A10s and replacing
them with the F35's in spite of this problem as well at the dozens and
dozens of other problems with the F35, not to mention it's outrageous
cost per plane. But hey, gottta keep that industrial military complex
in the chips, who cares what it costs or how well it works.


On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:58:20 -0400, HomeGuy
Home@Guy.com wrote:

So this will probably not be the "Good News"(tm) story chosen by US
broadcast networks to end their dinner-time evening newscast today.

So - does this mean that Seal Team 6 (that found and extracted Bin Laden
from Pakystan) are now all dead? Or were they already eliminated before
this fine example of precision ordinance deployment?

Too bad all the blood and treasure you spilled in Iraq and Afghanistan
was for nothing.

------------
http://online.wsj.com/articles/milit...raq-1402387098

Islamist insurgents seized control of Iraq's second-largest city on
Tuesday in a brazen military operation that underscored the weakness of
the central government across vast swaths of the country.
-------------

You went in and raped Iraq, left it a shell unable to re-establish
itself politically or defend itself from terrorists, and now it's
disintigrating. None of that would have happened if you left Hussein in
power.

=============================================== =

Friendly Fire Strike Kills 5 Special Operations Soldiers in Afghanistan
By AZAM AHMEDJUNE 10, 2014

KABUL, Afghanistan — Five American Special Operations service members
and at least one Afghan soldier were killed when a United States Air
Force B-1 bomber unleashed an airstrike on their position in southern
Afghanistan, in one of the deadliest instances of friendly fire in more
than a decade of war, Afghan and American officials said Tuesday.

Investigators were looking into possible causes, including faulty
coordinates, an errant bomb or other human error.

The Pentagon press secretary, Rear Adm. John Kirby, said in a statement
that five American soldiers had been killed “during a security operation
in southern Afghanistan.”

“Investigators are looking into the likelihood that friendly fire was
the cause,” he added. “Our thoughts and prayers are with the families of
these fallen.”
Continue reading the main story
Related Coverage

The deaths happened Monday night in the restive Arghandab district of
Zabul Province, where troops were conducting security operations
connected to the presidential runoff election on Saturday, said Ghulam
Sakhi Roghliwanai, the province’s police chief.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/wo...ghanistan.html

On Monday, June 16, 2014 9:11:22 PM UTC-4, Ashton Crusher wrote:
This inaccurate and error prone high altitude bombing by "stealth"

aircraft has been a well known problem for a long time.

That is simply not true. First, the B1 is not a stealth bomber,
it's a conventional design, visible to radar. The B2 is the stealth bomber.
Second, JDAM bombs have been used now for a long time and can
be used with either of these aircraft. They can even be used with
a B52. A JDAM is a precision guided bomb that combines GPS and inertial navigation to give an accuracy of 25ft. It's the bomb, not the plane.

I didn't see anything in the news that specifically identified
the weapon actually used in this incident, but since it was to
provide support to nearby US forces, it almost certainly was a
JDAM or similar high accuracy weapon. It would be criminal to
drop a non-guided weapon anywhere near friendlies. The news reports
said an investigation was underway to determine the cause, which
they even spelled out could be a malfunction of the weapon. If
you have a source that says that a dumb bomb was dropped, I'd
like to see it.



Only

difference was that in the past it was innocent indigenous poor folks

in these foreign countries getting blow up by mistake instead of our

own troops.

Now you're lying. In the case of civilians, we've always done
everything possible to limit collateral damage. And that includes
not using dumb bombs in those areas too. Or not bombing at all,
because the risk is too great. War is never going to be pretty,
but we've done an excellent job of limiting civilian and
friendly casualties. In recent wars, they've been a tiny fraction
compared to precious wars due to advances in technology.
The number of civilians
killed by US bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan is small. That's the
difference. We value human life and do everything we can to protect
innocents. For the other approach, why don't you look at our
enemies? In particular, with the ISIS muslim scum having just executed
1700 Iraqi soldiers in a ditch, it's a particularly odd time to
be bitching about a rare US incident where friendly fire killed
5 of our own.



It will only get worse when they retire the A-10s and

start rolling out the F-35s. The F35s are so expensive they will

never let them bomb or fire near the ground where they can see their

targets to ID them for fear the plane will get shoot down. The idiot

policy makers are forcing teh retirement of the A10s and replacing

them with the F35's in spite of this problem as well at the dozens and

dozens of other problems with the F35, not to mention it's outrageous

cost per plane. But hey, gottta keep that industrial military complex

in the chips, who cares what it costs or how well it works.


Yeah, everything is a big criminal war plan conspiracy. You're
pontificating on defense weaponry and you obviously don't even
know what a B1 bomber is, or that precision weapons today are,
to a large extent, independent of the vehicle. Anyone who even
watched the footage of the first Gulf War knows better. Even a
50+ year old B52 can put a cruise missle through a window 500 miles
away or drop a JDAM straight into a bunker.

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 06:38:18 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

Yeah, everything is a big criminal war plan conspiracy. You're
pontificating on defense weaponry and you obviously don't even
know what a B1 bomber is, or that precision weapons today are,
to a large extent, independent of the vehicle. Anyone who even
watched the footage of the first Gulf War knows better. Even a
50+ year old B52 can put a cruise missle through a window 500 miles
away or drop a JDAM straight into a bunker.

Rail guns may be deployed as early as 2015

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