[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

BTW: I wonder how many here knew about the very early TV's


http://www.earlytelevision.org/mechanical.html

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 10:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

BTW: I wonder how many here knew about the very early TV's


http://www.earlytelevision.org/mechanical.html

I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.




Back in those days, just having a TV was so amazing no one even thought
about color. When color TV's were first available they were very
expensive and the quality was poor...so most people stayed with B&W.

Color TV's did not become popular until the late 60's when the price
dropped and the quality rose.

BTW: My father told me he first saw television in 1949. He watched a
boxing match on (probably) an 8 inch screen and did not think TV was
going to catch on.

[Stormin Mormon[_10_]]

Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

How can I get a new needle for my phonograph?

How can I clean the heads on my eight track player?

What can I use, to clean the nib on my quill pen?
It's stainless, with a split tip.

How does one clean the touch hole of a flintlock?

What's the best brand of pooper scooper for my
dinosaur?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[Ed Pawlowski]

On 4/6/2014 10:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

Try the 6AU6 as that is one of the more common ones to go.

We used to pull the tubes and take them to a Pep Boy store where you can
test them and buy a replacement. That is a real number that popped out
of a cell way back in my brain.

[Joe Bento[_2_]]

On 4/6/2014 8:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Joe

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 10:23 AM, Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Joe



I don't recall that, but as a young kid I recall watching the Wizard of
Oz for the first time on a B&W tv.

When a big deal was being made of everything turning to color I did not
know what was going on it all looked the same to me.


Seeing that in a movie theater back in 1939 would probably have been
pretty impressive though!

[Stormin Mormon[_10_]]

On 4/6/2014 9:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

BTW: I wonder how many here knew about the very early TV's


http://www.earlytelevision.org/mechanical.html

I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[Bubba[_6_]]

On 04/06/2014 10:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



What's the best solar-powered downdraft vent for my outhouse?

[DerbyDad03]

philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 10:23 AM, Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Joe

I don't recall that, but as a young kid I recall watching the Wizard of
Oz for the first time on a B&W tv.


My brother still has the photos he took of the B&W footage of the first
moon landing in 1969. He started planning the project about a month in
advance by taking pictures of the TV in various lighting conditions,
keeping a log of what set up he used for each picture on the roll. He then
sent them out to be developed and compared the results to his log so he
would know the best lighting to use on July 20.

He then sat in front of the TV snapping picture after picture. My, how
things have changed!

[Retired[_2_]]

On 4/6/14, 11:42 AM, Bubba wrote:
On 04/06/2014 10:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



What's the best solar-powered downdraft vent for my outhouse?

What is this "solar power" you speak of ? Mine is wind-driven ;-)

BTW, my windmill-powered wi-fi router is too slow for Netflix
streaming. I have a creek (stream ?) nearby, would a water-wheel
version be any better ?

[Joe Bento[_2_]]

On 4/6/2014 9:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

BTW: I wonder how many here knew about the very early TV's


http://www.earlytelevision.org/mechanical.html

I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.


Hey Stormin... You should be watching General Conference, not posting
on Usenet. :-)

[rbowman]

philo wrote:

Back in those days, just having a TV was so amazing no one even thought
about color. When color TV's were first available they were very
expensive and the quality was poor...so most people stayed with B&W.

My uncle was in the business so we had one very early. I can't remember the
brand, but it was a bulky countertop model with a maybe a 8" screen, not the
furniture types that TVs became later in the '50s. We were also lucky to
have a local channel, WRGB. That had grown out of W2XB, an experimental
station at General Electric Schenectady that had first broadcast in 1928.

When color first came out, it drove my uncle nuts. Those were still the days
when TV repairmen made housecalls and could often fix the set in place. The
biggest problem was adjusting the color controls so Uncle Milty's face
wasn't magenta. It required a certain artistic flair that's never run in the
family.

There was also a scam that ran in the magazines of the day. For an amazingly
low price you could colorize your existing black and white TV. It consisted
of a plastic overlay you stuck to the screen. The picture was in color, but
what color was another story.

My memories of '50s TV programming was it was superior to most of what you
see today. I wrote it off as the nostalgic memories of a young kid where
everything was bigger and shinier. However, after watching DVDs of some of
the old broadcast shows, I really thing they were better than the current
drivel.

[rbowman]

Joe Bento wrote:

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Some academics came up with the theory that the Greeks were more or less
color blind. Part of it was Homer only mentions three colors and babbles
about the 'wine red sea'. This was reinforced by the Greek statuary that was
unadorned marble.

The latter idea was blown away by more sophisticated analyses of the
statues. It seems they were originally painted with pigments that would make
Mexican religious statuary look conservative.

[rbowman]

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

We used to pull the tubes and take them to a Pep Boy store where you can
test them and buy a replacement. That is a real number that popped out
of a cell way back in my brain.

My uncle was in the business, so when we'd go up to his place he'd plunk me
in front of the tube tester with a box of tubes he'd pulled from dead
receivers. I thought it was a big deal and it kept me out of trouble while
the adults drank beer and shot the breeze.

[Bob_Villa]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 12:41:50 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:

My memories of '50s TV programming was it was superior to most of what you

see today. I wrote it off as the nostalgic memories of a young kid where

everything was bigger and shinier. However, after watching DVDs of some of

the old broadcast shows, I really thing they were better than the current

drivel.

This was one of my regulars of the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikrM5zjA2d8
So I agree with you...the commercials as part of the episode was upsetting...but interesting in a nostalgic way!

[philoÂ]

On 04/06/2014 11:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

My brother still has the photos he took of the B&W footage of the first
moon landing in 1969. He started planning the project about a month in
advance by taking pictures of the TV in various lighting conditions,
keeping a log of what set up he used for each picture on the roll. He then
sent them out to be developed and compared the results to his log so he
would know the best lighting to use on July 20.

He then sat in front of the TV snapping picture after picture. My, how
things have changed!



IIRC, many of the tapes were re-used and would have been lost for good
if other countries had not recorded the event.

As to those photos your bother took from the TV screen, they are
probably valuable collector's items and I'd be /very/ much interested to
know if any are available. I am a photography curator and will be doing
a show in October. Please email me if your brother would allow the
display of copies of those photos.

My wife is a gallery director and she allows me to curate a photography
show every 18 months

http://gallerygrand.org/

my gmail addy is philo565

Also: In the early days before video tape, shows were recorded by
filming right off a studio monitor. Kinescope recording was quite poor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope



Finally:
All my life I had waited for the day man would go to the moon.
Unfortunately that day was spoiled by the fact that I was inducted into
the US Army the next day. I assumed I was going to soon be killed in
Vietnam.

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 12:41 PM, rbowman wrote:
philo wrote:

Back in those days, just having a TV was so amazing no one even thought
about color. When color TV's were first available they were very
expensive and the quality was poor...so most people stayed with B&W.

My uncle was in the business so we had one very early. I can't remember the
brand, but it was a bulky countertop model with a maybe a 8" screen, not the
furniture types that TVs became later in the '50s. We were also lucky to
have a local channel, WRGB. That had grown out of W2XB, an experimental
station at General Electric Schenectady that had first broadcast in 1928.

When color first came out, it drove my uncle nuts. Those were still the days
when TV repairmen made housecalls and could often fix the set in place. The
biggest problem was adjusting the color controls so Uncle Milty's face
wasn't magenta. It required a certain artistic flair that's never run in the
family.

There was also a scam that ran in the magazines of the day. For an amazingly
low price you could colorize your existing black and white TV. It consisted
of a plastic overlay you stuck to the screen. The picture was in color, but
what color was another story.

My memories of '50s TV programming was it was superior to most of what you
see today. I wrote it off as the nostalgic memories of a young kid where
everything was bigger and shinier. However, after watching DVDs of some of
the old broadcast shows, I really thing they were better than the current
drivel.





Very interesting post there. I threw out my TV 25 years ago and don't
miss it.

Interestingly I recently watched a few old movies that Lucille Ball was
in and she was really a great actress. She usually played an intelligent
red head rather than a dumb blond. She also felt that a part was a part
and was not afraid later to do comedy.


I read her (dictated) autobiography and the Lucy- Desi team had a real
interest in quality.
Desi Arnaz filmed all the shows so that when they were rebroadcast
they'd be of higher quality as compared to Kinescope. Since it required
film editing and splicing it would have been more difficult and
expensive I'd imagine.

Desilu was responsible for a lot of good programming

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desilu_Productions


BTW: Just because TV is pretty much a vast wasteland, that is not to say
all TV programming is bad. My wife and I have seen Big Bang Theory and
30 Rock and really like those shows.

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 12:54 PM, Bob_Villa wrote:
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 12:41:50 PM UTC-5, rbowman wrote:

My memories of '50s TV programming was it was superior to most of what you

see today. I wrote it off as the nostalgic memories of a young kid where

everything was bigger and shinier. However, after watching DVDs of some of

the old broadcast shows, I really thing they were better than the current

drivel.

This was one of my regulars of the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikrM5zjA2d8
So I agree with you...the commercials as part of the episode was upsetting...but interesting in a nostalgic way!




Most people find TV commercials annoying. Oddly though, when I went to
England a number of years ago I found the commercials vastly
entertaining. Though they were no doubt annoying to the English, I
looked at them as an outsider and they seemed so over the top I oculd
only view them as humor.


When I got home I changed my perspective and just told myself when
watching them, this is being done as a complete parody and I actually
was able to enjoy them for a short time.


The last time a watched TV though I was disgusted with the commercials
they were just plain gross...I won't elaborate.

[Joe Bento[_2_]]

On 4/6/2014 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/6/2014 12:34 PM, Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.


Hey Stormin... You should be watching General Conference, not posting
on Usenet. :-)

I set up the projector, and then went to lunch with
my Mom. I'll catch the second session at the chapel.
No worries, I'll be fine. You know I'm fine as long
as I don't curse and all that crap.



I live at "ground zero" and in fact commute to work each day 30 miles to
downtown Salt Lake.

Here, all the sessions are shown on broadcast TV. Right now between
sessions, there's an interesting program about BYU Jerusalem and life in
the ancient city.

Enjoy your day.

Joe, N6DGY

[Stormin Mormon[_10_]]

On 4/6/2014 12:34 PM, Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.


Hey Stormin... You should be watching General Conference, not posting
on Usenet. :-)

I set up the projector, and then went to lunch with
my Mom. I'll catch the second session at the chapel.
No worries, I'll be fine. You know I'm fine as long
as I don't curse and all that crap.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[Stormin Mormon[_10_]]

On 4/6/2014 12:54 PM, rbowman wrote:

My uncle was in the business, so when we'd go up to his place he'd plunk me
in front of the tube tester with a box of tubes he'd pulled from dead
receivers. I thought it was a big deal and it kept me out of trouble while
the adults drank beer and shot the breeze.


That sure would keep me out of trouble. I used
to love tube testing. These new chips are no
fun.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:23:05 -0600, Joe Bento
wrote:

On 4/6/2014 8:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Yes, prior to then, it was very hard to tell a blonde from a redhead.
The second's hair was just a shade or two darker.

Also, it led to many mistaken deaths during the Civil War.

Joe

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 13:09:52 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 04/06/2014 11:05 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:

My brother still has the photos he took of the B&W footage of the first
moon landing in 1969. He started planning the project about a month in
advance by taking pictures of the TV in various lighting conditions,
keeping a log of what set up he used for each picture on the roll. He then
sent them out to be developed and compared the results to his log so he
would know the best lighting to use on July 20.

He then sat in front of the TV snapping picture after picture. My, how
things have changed!



IIRC, many of the tapes were re-used and would have been lost for good
if other countries had not recorded the event.

As to those photos your bother took from the TV screen, they are
probably valuable collector's items and I'd be /very/ much interested to
know if any are available. I am a photography curator and will be doing
a show in October. Please email me if your brother would allow the
display of copies of those photos.

My wife is a gallery director and she allows me to curate a photography
show every 18 months

http://gallerygrand.org/

my gmail addy is philo565

Also: In the early days before video tape, shows were recorded by
filming right off a studio monitor. Kinescope recording was quite poor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinescope



Finally:
All my life I had waited for the day man would go to the moon.
Unfortunately that day was spoiled by the fact that I was inducted into
the US Army the next day. I assumed I was going to soon be killed in
Vietnam.

You seem like a smart guy. The recruiter told me I was probably smart
and could get assigned to missiles in Turkey or Germany. I don't know
because I failed the physical.

Where did they assign you?

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:38:58 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 04/06/2014 10:33 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 4/6/2014 9:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?



"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

BTW: I wonder how many here knew about the very early TV's


http://www.earlytelevision.org/mechanical.html

I'd not considered that, about them not knowing
about color. I guess that's part of the problem
of living in the first United States.




Back in those days, just having a TV was so amazing no one even thought
about color. When color TV's were first available they were very
expensive and the quality was poor...so most people stayed with B&W.

As my mother and many people put it, We're going to wait until color is
perfected.

Color TV's did not become popular until the late 60's when the price
dropped and the quality rose.

IIRC, the Sony Trinitron had the first reliably good color convergence,
but other makers caught up.

BTW: My father told me he first saw television in 1949. He watched a
boxing match on (probably) an 8 inch screen and did not think TV was
going to catch on.

LOL

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them. One model had plastic
cards,sort of the size of credit cards, with 11? rows of holes for each
of the 10 buttons. You'd push the card into the phone, and when ready
to dial, push a button and the card would pop out, "dialing" numbers as
is went.

[Retired[_2_]]

On 4/6/14, 5:05 PM, micky wrote:


I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them. One model had plastic
cards,sort of the size of credit cards, with 11? rows of holes for each
of the 10 buttons. You'd push the card into the phone, and when ready
to dial, push a button and the card would pop out, "dialing" numbers as
is went.

Picture of Card Dialer he http://www.paul-f.com/we/F58554.jpg

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 03:59 PM, micky wrote:



snip

You seem like a smart guy. The recruiter told me I was probably smart
and could get assigned to missiles in Turkey or Germany. I don't know
because I failed the physical.

Where did they assign you?




Missiles in Germany.

At the end of basic training I was told that I'd be in air defense
artillery and would not be needed in Vietnam. I breathed a huge sigh of
relief.

I drove a tracked missile launcher:

https://www.google.com/search?q=chap...1669&bih=8 73


Most of the people in my unit were drafted out of engineering or
technical schools. Even though we had college deferments, they drafted
anyone who ...in their words...were not serious students.

I was going to appeal, but truth is, they were right. I figured I might
as well just get it over with.


We were thankful for not being shipped off to Vietnam...but at the same
time, we felt kind of useless over in Germany...merely showing the USSR
our presence.

With the recent events in the Ukraine I now realize that if we were not
there, the USSR would have just marched right in...so possibly we did
some good after all.

Even in 1970, the effect of WW-II was still present. One thing I really
noticed is that there were almost no men of my father's age. Most were
killed in the war or figured out a way to get the hell out of there.

[Stormin Mormon[_10_]]

On 4/6/2014 10:13 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 09:57:21 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

The horizontal output tube 12CU6


How can I get a new needle for my phonograph?

Chuck up a 4d finish nail in your drill and grind a nice point on it
then cut to size.


How can I clean the heads on my eight track player?

Long Q tip type swab and alcohol

What can I use, to clean the nib on my quill pen?
It's stainless, with a split tip.


Hot water

How does one clean the touch hole of a flintlock?

Touch hole pick.


What's the best brand of pooper scooper for my
dinosaur?

Just use a lawn bag, turned inside out over both hands.

Hey, lets co author a book. Bravo!

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:57:21 AM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

How can I get a new needle for my phonograph?

How can I clean the heads on my eight track player?

What can I use, to clean the nib on my quill pen?
It's stainless, with a split tip.

How does one clean the touch hole of a flintlock?

What's the best brand of pooper scooper for my
dinosaur?

I'll send you the answers real soon. Leave your
fax machine on.

[[email protected]]

On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:19:27 AM UTC-7, philo* wrote:

I threw out my TV 25 years ago and don't miss it.

Because you shot it while dressed in an Elvis cape?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5085/5...4d94eb839a.jpg

I have this very model TV -- from 1976, and watch it in
the garage (who's going to steal it?). It hasn't needed
a repair in 10-12 years. OTOH the digital tuner box
on top of it failed in its first 2 years. And yes, the
TV cabinet is genuine fake wood grain.

[philo [_2_]]

On 04/06/2014 09:02 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:19:27 AM UTC-7, philo wrote:

I threw out my TV 25 years ago and don't miss it.

Because you shot it while dressed in an Elvis cape?

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5085/5...4d94eb839a.jpg

I have this very model TV -- from 1976, and watch it in
the garage (who's going to steal it?). It hasn't needed
a repair in 10-12 years. OTOH the digital tuner box
on top of it failed in its first 2 years. And yes, the
TV cabinet is genuine fake wood grain.



The TV I threw out was pretty much like that.

No fake wood grain though, all plastic.


Too bad about the fat Elvis, he was better back in the 50's

[rbowman]

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them.

iirc, the Bell Pavillion at the 1964 New York World's Fair had a kiosk where
you could race each other to see which was faster, the rotary phone or the
new fangled touch-tone.

[rbowman]

wrote:

I'll send you the answers real soon. Leave your
fax machine on.

Don't laugh. We had a minor crisis last month when we upgraded a client's
server to Server 2012. There is an applicatiob, VSI-FAX, whose claim to fame
is you can automate sending reports by fax, but the version they had
wouldn't work on the new OS. Most of the reports were being emailed, but
they still had a few jurisdictions clinging to their fax machines.

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 11:41:50 -0600, rbowman wrote:

philo wrote:

Back in those days, just having a TV was so amazing no one even thought
about color. When color TV's were first available they were very
expensive and the quality was poor...so most people stayed with B&W.

My uncle was in the business so we had one very early. I can't remember the
brand, but it was a bulky countertop model with a maybe a 8" screen, not the
furniture types that TVs became later in the '50s. We were also lucky to
have a local channel, WRGB. That had grown out of W2XB, an experimental
station at General Electric Schenectady that had first broadcast in 1928.

When color first came out, it drove my uncle nuts. Those were still the days
when TV repairmen made housecalls and could often fix the set in place. The
biggest problem was adjusting the color controls so Uncle Milty's face
wasn't magenta. It required a certain artistic flair that's never run in the
family.

There was also a scam that ran in the magazines of the day. For an amazingly
low price you could colorize your existing black and white TV. It consisted
of a plastic overlay you stuck to the screen. The picture was in color, but
what color was another story.

I remember those, in new magazines.

My memories of '50s TV programming was it was superior to most of what you
see today. I wrote it off as the nostalgic memories of a young kid where
everything was bigger and shinier. However, after watching DVDs of some of
the old broadcast shows, I really thing they were better than the current
drivel.

Darn right. I have MeTV now, a broadcast channel, no cable needed,,
and the many of the scripts for Wagon Train are really good. Many of
the westerns have real suspense, when one can think of more than two
endings from any particular point, or something goes wrong and they have
to try something else. It's not obvious.

Leave it to Beaver is excellent, both scripts and acting, especially by
the Beaver and Wally.

I guess Combat was from the 60's but it has good scripts and acting and
is almost real enough to make one hate war.

Lots of other good shows, but since I record 5 hours of Wagon Train and
5 hours of Beaver a week, I don't have time to watch much more.

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 17:19:41 -0400, Retired wrote:

On 4/6/14, 5:05 PM, micky wrote:


I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them. One model had plastic
cards,sort of the size of credit cards, with 11? rows of holes for each
of the 10 buttons. You'd push the card into the phone, and when ready
to dial, push a button and the card would pop out, "dialing" numbers as
is went.

Picture of Card Dialer he http://www.paul-f.com/we/F58554.jpg

Sho' 'nuff.

Thanks.

Of course that phone had 12 buttons and originally touch-tone had only
10.

[micky]

On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:08:40 -0600, rbowman wrote:

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them.

iirc, the Bell Pavillion at the 1964 New York World's Fair had a kiosk where
you could race each other to see which was faster, the rotary phone or the
new fangled touch-tone.

Sounds right. Maybe they spent the 7 years in between fixing up the
exchanges so they could process touch-tone dialing.

[Joe Bento[_2_]]

On 4/6/2014 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:08:40 -0600, rbowman wrote:

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them.

iirc, the Bell Pavillion at the 1964 New York World's Fair had a kiosk where
you could race each other to see which was faster, the rotary phone or the
new fangled touch-tone.

Sounds right. Maybe they spent the 7 years in between fixing up the
exchanges so they could process touch-tone dialing.


What I've found amazing is that the exchanges still maintain rotary /
pulse compatibility.

Joe, N6DGY

[DerbyDad03]

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957.

I still have a slim-line touch tone phone in my shop. Looks just like
this...

https://img0.etsystatic.com/035/0/79...69908_ohh8.jpg

I don't use it very often anymore, in fact we hardly use our land line for
much other than taking messages from robocallers. I will call out on the
landline if I know I will be on hold for a while. No sense using up minutes
on my cell listening to lousy music. We have a cordless set so I can still
get stuff done while on hold.

[gregz]

DerbyDad03 wrote:
philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 10:23 AM, Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:11 AM, philo wrote:
On 04/06/2014 09:57 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Which tube should I replace, in my black and white TV?

"black and while" is extraneous they didn't know about color TV in the
olden times.

Remember the old Calvin and Hobbes comic about the invention of color?
The world didn't turn to color until about 1930, and it was a pretty
grainy color too, for a while.

Joe

I don't recall that, but as a young kid I recall watching the Wizard of
Oz for the first time on a B&W tv.


My brother still has the photos he took of the B&W footage of the first
moon landing in 1969. He started planning the project about a month in
advance by taking pictures of the TV in various lighting conditions,
keeping a log of what set up he used for each picture on the roll. He then
sent them out to be developed and compared the results to his log so he
would know the best lighting to use on July 20.

He then sat in front of the TV snapping picture after picture. My, how
things have changed!

I was discussing this on Facebook. When the ground tracking stations were
switching from goldstone ca. To Australia as the earth turned, they started
tracking there. Actually a large non nasa dish down there was also tracking
which could get a better signal. One of the stations began video taping
from a camera aimed on the main slow scan monitor. Recently they were
looking for the original slow scan data tape of the event. There was a
large search. They found out it was erased to save taping costs. The backup
video recording was resurrected. It was this which was used on a NASA
special. The image on everyone's tv was not nearly as good as original
downloads in real time. Remembering 6 astronaut moon landings.

The movie, the dish, had some of the replay of the stations activities.

Greg

[DerbyDad03]

Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:08:40 -0600, rbowman wrote:

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them.

iirc, the Bell Pavillion at the 1964 New York World's Fair had a kiosk where
you could race each other to see which was faster, the rotary phone or the
new fangled touch-tone.

Sounds right. Maybe they spent the 7 years in between fixing up the
exchanges so they could process touch-tone dialing.


What I've found amazing is that the exchanges still maintain rotary / pulse compatibility.


Just for fun, we used to dial our touch tone phones in rotary mode by
tapping off hook switch rapidly.

353:

Wait for dial tone, then: tap tap tap pause tap tap tap tap tap pause tap
tap tap, etc.

[micky]

On Mon, 7 Apr 2014 03:32:21 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Joe Bento wrote:
On 4/6/2014 8:48 PM, micky wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:08:40 -0600, rbowman wrote:

micky wrote:

I first saw a touch-tone phone at a farm show in 1957. It was a long
time before Bell Telephone was offering them.

iirc, the Bell Pavillion at the 1964 New York World's Fair had a kiosk where
you could race each other to see which was faster, the rotary phone or the
new fangled touch-tone.

Sounds right. Maybe they spent the 7 years in between fixing up the
exchanges so they could process touch-tone dialing.


What I've found amazing is that the exchanges still maintain rotary / pulse compatibility.

It may be so if we're kidnapped, we can call the police with the cradle
button.


Just for fun, we used to dial our touch tone phones in rotary mode by
tapping off hook switch rapidly.

353:

Wait for dial tone, then: tap tap tap pause tap tap tap tap tap pause tap
tap tap, etc.