On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

On Ice Road Truckers, I saw one time a guy used
some copper tubing in place of battery cable.

Ether to inflate tires.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/17/2014 08:47 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



I'm from Wisconsin and large portions of the state are still pretty much
wilderness. People here are very good at improvising and doing for
themselves.

About 25 years ago I completely gutted my kitchen in order to remodel it.

Right at that time a friend of mine from the north woods decided he was
going to pay a visit and stay here for a few days with his wife and four
kids. (Three of the kids had never seen a city before.)


Anyway, my girl friend at that time freaked out and said that there was
no way we could have guests with our house in such disarray. (I was
doing the dishes in the basement washtubs)

I just laughed and told her none of our guests had even seen a completed
house in their lives.


Everyone had a great time.


We took them to the museum and little Missy did nothing but ride up and
down the escalator (after conquering her initial fear).


Little Arlo saw a spiral ramp for a parking structure and marveled at
the large silo. (To this day he's still embarrassed about it)

On 3/17/2014 11:42 AM, philo wrote:
On 03/17/2014 08:47 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



I'm from Wisconsin and large portions of the state are still pretty much
wilderness. People here are very good at improvising and doing for
themselves.

About 25 years ago I completely gutted my kitchen in order to remodel it.

Right at that time a friend of mine from the north woods decided he was
going to pay a visit and stay here for a few days with his wife and four
kids. (Three of the kids had never seen a city before.)


Anyway, my girl friend at that time freaked out and said that there was
no way we could have guests with our house in such disarray. (I was
doing the dishes in the basement washtubs)

I just laughed and told her none of our guests had even seen a completed
house in their lives.


Everyone had a great time.


We took them to the museum and little Missy did nothing but ride up and
down the escalator (after conquering her initial fear).


Little Arlo saw a spiral ramp for a parking structure and marveled at
the large silo. (To this day he's still embarrassed about it)

Your usenet reader makes it look like I wrote
all that. Anything can be done?

Nice that your friends enjoyed the visit,
and saw the car silo. Arlo wasn't that
far wrong.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/17/2014 01:51 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/17/2014 11:42 AM, philo wrote:
On 03/17/2014 08:47 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


Your usenet reader makes it look like I wrote
all that. Anything can be done?


My fault, not my newsreader's sorry about that.

It would not have happened had I still be using my typewriter.



Nice that your friends enjoyed the visit,
and saw the car silo. Arlo wasn't that
far wrong.

On 3/17/2014 3:16 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/17/2014 01:51 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/17/2014 11:42 AM, philo wrote:
On 03/17/2014 08:47 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


Your usenet reader makes it look like I wrote
all that. Anything can be done?


My fault, not my newsreader's sorry about that.

It would not have happened had I still be using my typewriter.


I don't think it's within protocol to apologize
on Usenet. One needs to flame, instead, you
big apologizer. If you do it again, I might have
to apologize to you, see how you'd like it.
_ _
o o
o
~~~~~~~

(sticks out tongue)

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/17/2014 02:28 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:


I don't think it's within protocol to apologize
on Usenet. One needs to flame, instead, you
big apologizer. If you do it again, I might have
to apologize to you, see how you'd like it.
_ _
o o
o
~~~~~~~

(sticks out tongue)





Here is another conversation I once heard:



ACHOOOO!!!


God bless you.


Thank you.


You are welcome.


Shut up!

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

On Ice Road Truckers, I saw one time a guy used
some copper tubing in place of battery cable.

Ether to inflate tires.


The installation instructions for the bathroom fan I just installed
suggested 2 methods for mounting the fan in the open space between 2
joists:

1 - Use the metal brackets that came with unit and suspend it in the
opening.
2 - Build what they called a "header" with two 2 x 4s perpendicular to the
joists and then two 2 x 4's in between them, forming a frame. Then screw
the fan housing to the bottom of the 2 x 4's that run parallel to the
joists.

My alternate (and so much easier) method: scab some short 2 x material to
the side of the joists to make the space between the joists narrower and
positioned exactly where I wanted it. Then screw the housing to the bottom
of the 2 x's. I did have to rip one of the 2 x's down a little bit, but it
was still a whole easier than trying to build and mount a box frame.

Trying to use their metal brackets and mount the unit while up in the attic
wasn't even a consideration. Everything I did was done from inside the
bathroom.

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:47:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

On Ice Road Truckers, I saw one time a guy used
some copper tubing in place of battery cable.

Ether to inflate tires.

“Necessity, who is the mother of invention.” Plato

On 03/17/2014 04:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:47:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

On Ice Road Truckers, I saw one time a guy used
some copper tubing in place of battery cable.

Ether to inflate tires.

“Necessity, who is the mother of invention.” Plato




"Laziness is the mother of invention." philo

philo wrote:
On 03/17/2014 04:04 PM, Oren wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 09:47:28 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

On Ice Road Truckers, I saw one time a guy used
some copper tubing in place of battery cable.

Ether to inflate tires.

€œNecessity, who is the mother of invention.€� Plato

"Laziness is the mother of invention." philo

"It's only temporary...unless it works." DerbyDad

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 22:56:25 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

“Necessity, who is the mother of invention.” Plato

"Laziness is the mother of invention." philo

"It's only temporary...unless it works." DerbyDad

"Looks good from my house." Bubba

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?

On 3/18/2014 11:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?

Yes, explosive and explosion. I'm sure it's
rather dangerous. I've never done one, and
hope I never need to.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/18/2014 10:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?



It's just as safe as filling a Zeppelin with hydrogen

On 3/18/2014 12:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 10:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?



It's just as safe as filling a Zeppelin with hydrogen
Here is some Hindenberg footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWHbpMVQ1U

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/18/2014 11:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/18/2014 12:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 10:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?



It's just as safe as filling a Zeppelin with hydrogen
Here is some Hindenberg footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWHbpMVQ1U




Holy Cow! It blew up.

I better not kid around anymore, I never would have guessed that a blimp
full of hydrogen could have exploded.

On 3/18/2014 12:30 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 11:12 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/18/2014 12:00 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 10:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?



It's just as safe as filling a Zeppelin with hydrogen
Here is some Hindenberg footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgWHbpMVQ1U




Holy Cow! It blew up.

I better not kid around anymore, I never would have guessed that a blimp
full of hydrogen could have exploded.

I thought everyone had seen that famous footage?
Maybe we grew up in different schools, but that
was "common knowledge" where I was.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/18/2014 11:41 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
X
I thought everyone had seen that famous footage?
Maybe we grew up in different schools, but that
was "common knowledge" where I was.




You did not know I was kidding?


I knew about that ever since I was a kid and even then I though filling
a blimp with hydrogen was stupid beyond belief.


Only recently did I learn that the US has (or had) a monopoly on helium
and refused to sell any to Germany. So...they redesigned the blimp to
use hydrogen...which was beyond insane.

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:50:51 -0500, philo* wrote:

Only recently did I learn that the US has (or had) a monopoly on helium
and refused to sell any to Germany.

_National Helium Reserve_ (Federal Helium Reserve)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve

On 3/18/2014 10:57 AM, RobertMacy wrote:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 06:47:28 -0700, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

...snip....

Ether to inflate tires.


Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

On 3/18/2014 12:50 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 11:41 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
X
I thought everyone had seen that famous footage?
Maybe we grew up in different schools, but that
was "common knowledge" where I was.




You did not know I was kidding?


I knew about that ever since I was a kid and even then I though filling
a blimp with hydrogen was stupid beyond belief.


Only recently did I learn that the US has (or had) a monopoly on helium
and refused to sell any to Germany. So...they redesigned the blimp to
use hydrogen...which was beyond insane.

Nope, missed that. How about ether to blow up
tires? I wonder if a person could adapt to a
propane tank, and inflate with propane?

Freon?

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/18/2014 1:22 PM, Oren wrote:
On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 11:50:51 -0500, philo wrote:

Only recently did I learn that the US has (or had) a monopoly on helium
and refused to sell any to Germany.

_National Helium Reserve_ (Federal Helium Reserve)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Helium_Reserve

Alternate uses of helium:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofi5XSv_vig

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/18/2014 1:46 PM, NamPhong wrote:

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

I totally agree. I've heard that when the
ether explosion cools, the tire can shrink.
It's good to have a compressor (even small
one) and inflate as soon as possible. Within
a minute is good.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:46:18 -0500, NamPhong
wrote:

Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

Emphasis on "small shot". Car or truck tire needs just a little either
or starting fluid.

_Seal A Tire Bead with Starting Fluid_ (safety minded guy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZhszvMjvjg

_REDNECK TIRE MOUNTING_ (too much ether)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI38RZ2f6Ls

_Mounting 2000lb Scraper Tires_ (git er done)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Xq7koFnQs

G

On 03/18/2014 01:05 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
X

Nope, missed that. How about ether to blow up
tires? I wonder if a person could adapt to a
propane tank, and inflate with propane?

Freon?



The new thing I've seen are service centers advertising nitrogen to fill
tires.


Although it is of course safe to do so...any tiny advantage it could
have would be offset by the extra cost. The service centers seem to have
a rather "inflated" cost for that feature.


Air is something like 79% nitrogen anyway.

On 03/18/2014 01:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/18/2014 1:46 PM, NamPhong wrote:

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

I totally agree. I've heard that when the
ether explosion cools, the tire can shrink.
It's good to have a compressor (even small
one) and inflate as soon as possible. Within
a minute is good.





When he said "better place" I assumed he meant the explosion would kill
you and send you to Heaven.


Since there are other places to go, I don't think too many people are
going to try that trick.

On 3/18/2014 2:29 PM, philo wrote:

The new thing I've seen are service centers advertising nitrogen to fill
tires.


Although it is of course safe to do so...any tiny advantage it could
have would be offset by the extra cost. The service centers seem to have
a rather "inflated" cost for that feature.


Air is something like 79% nitrogen anyway.

It would be tempting to go into a tire place,
and ask some kind of question based on if the
clerk knows the make up of air.

"I had my tires filled with nitrogen, and then
got new tires. You think there may be some
nitrogen still in them? So maybe I don't
have to have them nitrogen filled again?"
--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/18/2014 2:32 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 01:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/18/2014 1:46 PM, NamPhong wrote:

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

I totally agree. I've heard that when the
ether explosion cools, the tire can shrink.
It's good to have a compressor (even small
one) and inflate as soon as possible. Within
a minute is good.

When he said "better place" I assumed he meant the explosion would kill
you and send you to Heaven.


Since there are other places to go, I don't think too many people are
going to try that trick.

I missed that. Maybe the gentleman will comment
as to what he meant. I'm guessing you're right.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 03/18/2014 01:49 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:



Since there are other places to go, I don't think too many people are
going to try that trick.

I missed that. Maybe the gentleman will comment
as to what he meant. I'm guessing you're right.




You should never guess that I'm right...

I am wrong more often than there are even possibilities.


Here is a pre-GPS example:


I'm at an intersection and can only go left, right or straight.


There are two ways I can go wrong and one way I can go right.


How many attempts to I make before I get it correct?


The maximum number should be three...
but I can improve on that and make the same incorrect choices several
times before eventually I take the correct alternative.



Once I was leaving someone's house and walked right into their closet.

I was so embarrassed I thought momentarily about trying to just punch
myself through the wall.

On 3/18/2014 3:05 PM, philo wrote:
You should never guess that I'm right...
I am wrong more often than there are even possibilities.
Here is a pre-GPS example:
I'm at an intersection and can only go left, right or straight.
There are two ways I can go wrong and one way I can go right.
How many attempts to I make before I get it correct?
The maximum number should be three...
but I can improve on that and make the same incorrect choices several
times before eventually I take the correct alternative.

Once I was leaving someone's house and walked right into their closet.

I was so embarrassed I thought momentarily about trying to just punch
myself through the wall.

Ah, thanks for the further understanding.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one who's
made a wrong turn or two.

I'm remembering a friend who was so pleased
with the deadbolt on his apartment door.
The closet had another door to the hall with
skeleton lock, I pointed that out to him.
And his window to the fire escape had no latch.
Sigh.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/18/2014 1:32 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/18/2014 01:09 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/18/2014 1:46 PM, NamPhong wrote:

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

I totally agree. I've heard that when the
ether explosion cools, the tire can shrink.
It's good to have a compressor (even small
one) and inflate as soon as possible. Within
a minute is good.





When he said "better place" I assumed he meant the explosion would kill
you and send you to Heaven.


Since there are other places to go, I don't think too many people are
going to try that trick.

Nope, not heaven but to the nearest source of air for the tire if you
drive slowly and sanely. Never could get much air in a tire just using
lung power but the ether will leave you with somewhere between 15 and 20
lbs. Not ideal but again will get you to a better place than in the
middle of nowhere with a flat/busted bead.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
On the other thread, I mentioned stuffing plastic
bags into a sewer drain line. One time I saw an
unfinished front door frame at a house, the tenant
had been stuffing plastic bags to keep the cold
out. Seemed to work.

I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

One spark, and that house is gone.

My first house had one layer of newspaper (dated 1948, in 1978) spread over the
attic joists, complete with well dried cat poop. That went as soon as I saw it.

On 03/18/2014 02:13 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
O

I'm remembering a friend who was so pleased
with the deadbolt on his apartment door.
The closet had another door to the hall with
skeleton lock, I pointed that out to him.
And his window to the fire escape had no latch.
Sigh.





Yep.

I see a lot of secured doors right next to unsecured windows.


Only once did someone break into my house.

They ended up not even taking anything.


My stuff must have been even worse than theirs.

NamPhong posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP



Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

How many times has this happened? After it's reseated what do you fill it
with so you can drive more than 5' ?

--
Tekkie

Oren posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP


On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 12:46:18 -0500, NamPhong
wrote:

Isn't ether highly explosive? Hasn't using ether in tires caused some
dramatic explosions? Or, is that all 'hearsay'?

Yes it is but when you are in the middle of nowhere and the bead is
broken from the rim a small shot of ether into tire through bead and the
application of a match will seat the bead and inflate the tire enough to
get you to a better place. Just my $.02.

Emphasis on "small shot". Car or truck tire needs just a little either
or starting fluid.

_Seal A Tire Bead with Starting Fluid_ (safety minded guy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZhszvMjvjg

He could have seated the tire with just the air inflater only.

_REDNECK TIRE MOUNTING_ (too much ether)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI38RZ2f6Ls

The ether must have induced a coma in these guys.

_Mounting 2000lb Scraper Tires_ (git er done)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Xq7koFnQs

G

Only need an extra backhoe to do this one.


--
Tekkie

philo* posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

I'm at an intersection and can only go left, right or straight.


There are two ways I can go wrong and one way I can go right.


How many attempts to I make before I get it correct?


The maximum number should be three...
but I can improve on that and make the same incorrect choices several
times before eventually I take the correct alternative.


Sort of like insanity aye?

--
Tekkie

On 03/18/2014 07:33 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
philo posted for all of us...

And I know how to SNIP

I'm at an intersection and can only go left, right or straight.


There are two ways I can go wrong and one way I can go right.


How many attempts to I make before I get it correct?


The maximum number should be three...
but I can improve on that and make the same incorrect choices several
times before eventually I take the correct alternative.


Sort of like insanity aye?




I'm too stupid to be considered nuts.

On 3/18/2014 4:45 PM, NamPhong wrote:
When he said "better place" I assumed he meant the explosion would kill
you and send you to Heaven.


Since there are other places to go, I don't think too many people are
going to try that trick.

Nope, not heaven but to the nearest source of air for the tire if you
drive slowly and sanely. Never could get much air in a tire just using
lung power but the ether will leave you with somewhere between 15 and 20
lbs. Not ideal but again will get you to a better place than in the
middle of nowhere with a flat/busted bead.

Yes, that makes perfect sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 3/18/2014 5:54 PM, Bob F wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I used a van load of cardboard boxes one time, to
help a friend who had pretty much no attic insulation.
That helped a lot.

One spark, and that house is gone.

My first house had one layer of newspaper (dated 1948, in 1978) spread over the
attic joists, complete with well dried cat poop. That went as soon as I saw it.

I don't think it's as much risk as you imply.


--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 3/18/2014 7:14 PM, philo wrote:

Yep.

I see a lot of secured doors right next to unsecured windows.


Only once did someone break into my house.

They ended up not even taking anything.


My stuff must have been even worse than theirs.

You remind me of the joke about the guy whose
wife's credit card was stolen. He didn't report
it cause the thief spent less than his wife.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..