I wonder if they've done a background check of all passengers in terms
of flying experience, flight training, military service...

They need to publish the list of passengers - so the internet can do a
"crowd-source" background check and possibly they get some useful info
that wouldn't or didn't turn up using their normal investigative
methods.

It would have been useful (although somewhat creepy) to get a mug-shot
at the boarding gate of each passenger as they have their tickets
scanned and photo-id checked. The photo's don't need to be coordinated
with name or any text input, and the camera's memory card is only 1 or 2
gb and just gets recycled (uses same memory over and over again, new
pictures over-writing old ones). The only info that goes with each
picture is the time/date stamp.

When an incident happens, authorities go to the gate and pull the memory
card out of the camera. Otherwise, the camera is not connected to
network, is not accessible and therefore can't be tampered with,
pictures stolen or hacked, etc.

Release the pictures along with the name they think belongs to each
photo to the public.

Let the public weigh in on whether or not the info is correct, and
anything of interest about each person (ie - attended but flunked out of
flying school, former navy seal, CIA contractor, huge gambling debt,
recently obtained life insurance policy, divorced / lost custody of
kids, etc).

In article , Home Guy "Home"@Guy. com
wrote:

It would have been useful (although somewhat creepy) to get a mug-shot
at the boarding gate of each passenger as they have their tickets
scanned and photo-id checked. The photo's don't need to be coordinated
with name or any text input, and the camera's memory card is only 1 or 2
gb and just gets recycled (uses same memory over and over again, new
pictures over-writing old ones). The only info that goes with each
picture is the time/date stamp.

They would (and do) have the security cameras and the airline's
computers I would think would have the time when the boarding pass was
scanned. Easy Peasy.


--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

On 2014-03-13 9:23 AM, Home Guy wrote:
I wonder if they've done a background check of all passengers in terms
of flying experience, flight training, military service...

They need to publish the list of passengers - so the internet can do a
"crowd-source" background check and possibly they get some useful info
that wouldn't or didn't turn up using their normal investigative
methods.

It would have been useful (although somewhat creepy) to get a mug-shot
at the boarding gate of each passenger as they have their tickets
scanned and photo-id checked. The photo's don't need to be coordinated
with name or any text input, and the camera's memory card is only 1 or 2
gb and just gets recycled (uses same memory over and over again, new
pictures over-writing old ones). The only info that goes with each
picture is the time/date stamp.

When an incident happens, authorities go to the gate and pull the memory
card out of the camera. Otherwise, the camera is not connected to
network, is not accessible and therefore can't be tampered with,
pictures stolen or hacked, etc.

Release the pictures along with the name they think belongs to each
photo to the public.

Let the public weigh in on whether or not the info is correct, and
anything of interest about each person (ie - attended but flunked out of
flying school, former navy seal, CIA contractor, huge gambling debt,
recently obtained life insurance policy, divorced / lost custody of
kids, etc).

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:07:08 -0400, Adam Kubias
wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.


No. We have just not ruled out a terrorist attack. That would silly
at this point, before the truth is known.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

You do live in Niagara Falls, Canada, right?

Adam Kubias wrote:
The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any
country.
Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

So the fact that the plane was hundreds of miles off course when last seen
doesn't make you think terrorist?

On 2014-03-13 12:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:07:08 -0400, Adam Kubias
wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.


No. We have just not ruled out a terrorist attack. That would silly
at this point, before the truth is known.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

You do live in Niagara Falls, Canada, right?


Yes, but do you know my passport number?

On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 14:03:50 -0400, Adam Kubias
wrote:

On 2014-03-13 12:23 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:07:08 -0400, Adam Kubias
wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.


No. We have just not ruled out a terrorist attack. That would silly
at this point, before the truth is known.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

You do live in Niagara Falls, Canada, right?


Yes, but do you know my passport number?

No yet.

On Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:31:07 PM UTC-4, Bob F wrote:
Adam Kubias wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by

focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China

flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its

not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a

Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any

country.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing

that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my

personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.



So the fact that the plane was hundreds of miles off course when last seen

doesn't make you think terrorist?

We still don't know that it was off course. There has been a lot of
confusion, but Malaysian official current statement is that they had
contact with some unknown object in the Straits of Malacca, at 29.5K
feet, that *might* have been MH370, but they don't know what it was.

But it's certainly reasonable that terrorism remain on the list
of possibilities. And including that on the list hasn't been a
focus of USA media, it's been worldwide. If anything, there should
be more focus. For example, we have a pretty good idea of who the
19 year old Iranian was. But I've not heard anything about the 29
year old. Have they found this "Ali" guy who provided the fake
passports? And to add to the list of questions, if they were going
to illegally enter and stay in Europe, why did they only have one
backpack and two notebook PCs? (that's according to the friend of
the 19 year old who dropped them off at the airport).

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China
flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.

I thought they quit mentioning stolen passports a couple of days
ago (Dec 11), since they announced that they had tracked the people
using them to be people seeking asylum, not terrorists.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

I am still suspicious of terrorists or what used to be called
"hijackers" (with the usual destination for USA hijacked planes
being Cuba, since there wasn't another legal way to get there.)
The current theories seem to involve the plane taking a rather
radical change from its planned course. What explains that?
Hijacking or terrorism does, not necessarily having anything to do
with stolen passports. What else? It's a bit early in the
investigation to rule out terrorism.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:00:48 -0500, (Gordon
Burditt) wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China

They focused on the stolen passports, but only said terrorism was a
possibility. There are btw two kinds of terrorists, those affiliated
with a bigger group, and those out for some fun of their own.

Who is turning things off in the plane and redirecting it if not a
terrorist. Oh, maybe a rogue pilot. That would be sub-category 2-a of
terrorist.

flight don't have passengers using false passports? Probably 50%, its
not a big deal. Its how SE asians get around since if you use a
Phillipino passport (for example) then you can't get a visa in any country.

I thought they quit mentioning stolen passports a couple of days
ago (Dec 11), since they announced that they had tracked the people
using them to be people seeking asylum, not terrorists.

Just take a chill pill, Yankees. Believe or not, I feel safer knowing
that every American citizen does not have NSA-style access to my
personal information - whether or not I'm on a missing plane.

I am still suspicious of terrorists or what used to be called
"hijackers" (with the usual destination for USA hijacked planes
being Cuba, since there wasn't another legal way to get there.)

Couldn't they go to Mexico and from there to Cuba. Maybe they didnt'
know that? Or maybe Mexico cooperated with the US and wouldn't let
them?

The current theories seem to involve the plane taking a rather
radical change from its planned course. What explains that?
Hijacking or terrorism does, not necessarily having anything to do
with stolen passports. What else? It's a bit early in the
investigation to rule out terrorism.

You sound about as well informed as the Malaysians.

It had enough fuel to maybe get to India.

For Cuba or Mexico they would have needed a connecting flight.



Couldn't they go to Mexico and from there to Cuba. Maybe they didnt'
know that? Or maybe Mexico cooperated with the US and wouldn't let
them?

In article ,
micky wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 01:00:48 -0500, (Gordon
Burditt) wrote:

The American media has spun this into a story of a terrorist attack by
focusing on the stolen passports. What percentage of Malaysia-China

They focused on the stolen passports, but only said terrorism was a
possibility. There are btw two kinds of terrorists, those affiliated
with a bigger group, and those out for some fun of their own.

Who is turning things off in the plane and redirecting it if not a
terrorist. Oh, maybe a rogue pilot. That would be sub-category 2-a of
terrorist.

Still haven't figured out the why, with no demands or no statement of
responsibility.
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

In article ,
nam sak wrote:

You sound about as well informed as the Malaysians.

It had enough fuel to maybe get to India.

For Cuba or Mexico they would have needed a connecting flight.



Couldn't they go to Mexico and from there to Cuba. Maybe they didnt'
know that? Or maybe Mexico cooperated with the US and wouldn't let
them?

You mean you can't refuel a 777 in mid-flight? (grin)
--
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital."
-- Aaron Levenstein

Doubt it but I am no expert. Best thing to do is wait for the
Malaysian Transport Minister to deny it. Then we'll know it's true.




On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 08:28:43 -0400, Kurt Ullman
wrote:

In article ,
nam sak wrote:

You sound about as well informed as the Malaysians.

It had enough fuel to maybe get to India.

For Cuba or Mexico they would have needed a connecting flight.



Couldn't they go to Mexico and from there to Cuba. Maybe they didnt'
know that? Or maybe Mexico cooperated with the US and wouldn't let
them?

You mean you can't refuel a 777 in mid-flight? (grin)

if it's above ground, anywhere,
wouldn't we have heard ONE peep, from a cell phone?
[text, voice mail, or call]

there must have been 200+ cell phones on board

marc

If whomever was able to turn off the plane's transponders, the would have undoubtedly been able to turn off the system the pressurizes the cabin. Oxygen starvation is a debilitating condition that sneaks up on you. As the amount of oxygen in your blood diminishes, your muscles get weak and you are unable to do everyday tasks like get up and walk around. Oxygen starvation of the brain is equally debilitating. People exposed to the oxygen levels at 30,000 feet are unable to do simple puzzles meant for preschoolers.

It could be that whomever had control of that air plane took advantage of the fact that it was a night flight to gradually shut down the cabin air pressurization system over the course of a half hour or so, so as to cause the passengers to all go to sleep on their own, each one thinking that he/she was tired and wanted to sleep. If the cabin air pressurization system stayed off during the remainder of the flight, then all the passengers would have died during the flight.