"ChairMan" wrote in message ...

I was just telling my grandson that the other day.
I use to carry a pocket knife to school and even took my
shotgun into shop class because the shop teacher wanted to
see it.

Those were the days. We could carry non-concealed Buck knives and
our guns could be left in vehicles. My school no longer had a
shooting program.

wrote in message ...

As has been pointed out, here. Metallic Mercury isn't very toxic at
all. The body doesn't know what to do with it. Many Mercury
compounds are extremely toxic, however.

It is all about the vector. I know of a Indian tribe that mined
mercury. They died. Liquid mercury does not have an easy vector
into the body unless ingested/inhaled. Handling the stuff without
protection over a period of years will have harmful effects.

On 12/14/2013 08:40 AM, Lee B wrote:

I have an older range hood with a light in it. I tend to use it more for
light than I do my finicky fluorescent ceiling light. I've been using
incandescents, but since I often leave the hood light on over night,
they have a limited lifespan. So I'm wondering if it's OK to use a CFL
over the stove? Is the horizontal position a problem? (Asking because I
know I've seen discussion about upside down fixtures).

I do very little stove top cooking (I'm a microwave kinda person), so
I'm not as concerned about the heat, but I'm wondering about that too.
Someone at Home Depot said it would be bad for the electronics inside,
but I figured I trust the collective minds here more, LOL. If it makes a
difference, it has one of those little plastic snap on covers that
squeezes into place.

My situation is very similar. I put a CFL in there about 5 years ago and
it's still working.

BTW, I started leaving the light on for a few minutes after cooking, as
an indication the cooktop may be hot.

--
10 days until The winter celebration (Wednesday December 25, 2013 12:00
AM for 1 day).

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http://notstupid.us

"God isn't as great as you think. Hes just got good marketing."

On 12/14/2013 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

[snip]

Enclosed with the cover? That could make a difference if the
electronics in the bulb overheat. Otherwise, I'd do it. Consider
leaving the cover off.

So when the bulb breaks, pieces fall in your food? I put it back on (5
years ago).

--
10 days until The winter celebration (Wednesday December 25, 2013 12:00
AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"God isn't as great as you think. Hes just got good marketing."

Lee B wrote:
On 12/14/2013 10:15 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2013 8:49 AM, philo wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:40 AM, Lee B wrote:


I would never use any type of fluorescent light right next to an
area where food is being prepared simply due to the fact that they
contain mercury. The chance of one breaking is probably not that
great...but personally , I'd just never do it.


??? You mean to say that if an incandescent bulb broke you'd sweep
up the pieces (or pick them out of the soup as the case may be) and
go on to dinner?

If the bulb breaks, it breaks and everything in the area goes in the
trash and it's a do over. Period.

I really think that in this context the only issues to concern
yourself with are bulb longevity due to positioning and, possibly,
heat - but the latter apparently is NOT a concern of the OP




This is true. I do so little cooking on the stove top, that I'm not
really concerned about the heat issue, but the HD guy did make me
wonder if that was a valid concern should I ever get the urge to
cook. And yes, I'm more interested in the longevity/positioning angle.

Maybe I'll just go stock up on some more incandescent bulbs, since for
now I'm keeping a stock pile to use with my X10 modules.

My microwave has a glass cover protecting the bulbs, so breaking them is highly
unlikely. Heat might be a problem. I'm not sure how it switches from bright to
dim, so that might be a problem with CFLs.

Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with
the
fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury left behind.

guess I'm going to die then because my brother and I had a
bottle of mercury that we would pour out on the table and
play with when we were kids.
Rolling from here to there and making little blobs out of
big ones and then back to big ones.
Someone please come save me!!!!!!

As a kid in the 30's I would rub mercury onto pennies to make them look like
silver. My teeth fillings have mercury in them I am told.
Because of my great interest in chemistry I knew NOT to heat it as gold
miners did and many lost their lives doing this.
To the original poster I use the coiled type in our hallway over head
fixtures. They are horizonal mounted. Outlast the tungsten type.

On 12/15/2013 4:08 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:40 AM, Lee B wrote:

I have an older range hood with a light in it. I tend to use it more for
light than I do my finicky fluorescent ceiling light. I've been using
incandescents, but since I often leave the hood light on over night,
they have a limited lifespan. So I'm wondering if it's OK to use a CFL
over the stove? Is the horizontal position a problem? (Asking because I
know I've seen discussion about upside down fixtures).

I do very little stove top cooking (I'm a microwave kinda person), so
I'm not as concerned about the heat, but I'm wondering about that too.
Someone at Home Depot said it would be bad for the electronics inside,
but I figured I trust the collective minds here more, LOL. If it makes a
difference, it has one of those little plastic snap on covers that
squeezes into place.

My situation is very similar. I put a CFL in there about 5 years ago and
it's still working.

BTW, I started leaving the light on for a few minutes after cooking, as
an indication the cooktop may be hot.

Just wanted to thank everyone for their input. This has been
interesting. and it was also a trip down memory lane - my brother and I
used to play with liquid mercury. My father, a physician, didn't have a
problem with that, assuming that he knew. (Honestly, I'm not sure he was
aware we did it, although I think there was initially mercury in the
children's chemistry set we had). And the local shoe store had the foot
x-ray thing. He told my mother not to let us play on that.

I think I'll look for the shatterproof CFL, but if I don't find one,
I'll use a regular CFL. Ideally, I should get the overhead fluorescent
tube light fixture replaced, but the CFL bulb sounds simpler, ha.

"Lee B" wrote in message ...


I have an older range hood with a light in it. I tend to use it more for
light than I do my finicky fluorescent ceiling light. I've been using
incandescents, but since I often leave the hood light on over night,
they have a limited lifespan. So I'm wondering if it's OK to use a CFL
over the stove? Is the horizontal position a problem? (Asking because I
know I've seen discussion about upside down fixtures).

I do very little stove top cooking (I'm a microwave kinda person), so
I'm not as concerned about the heat, but I'm wondering about that too.
Someone at Home Depot said it would be bad for the electronics inside,
but I figured I trust the collective minds here more, LOL. If it makes a
difference, it has one of those little plastic snap on covers that
squeezes into place.


After reading most all of the replies and the subject sort of changed to
deadly other things I wonder why I am still here.
WWll Navy and SeaBee. Worked with asbestos. Also on heating ductwork
covering. Electronic work asbestos wiring covering.
Cut an installed asbestos home siding. Laid asbestos floor tile. And then
other things, Worked for Westinghouse transformer
rebuilding in the late 40's. Transformer oil had PCB in it. Would have my
hands in it. Played with mercury as a kid. Mercury in my teeth fillings.
Hope I am still here next week to still be alive and kicking. WW

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:44:58 -0600, "Irreverent Maximus"
wrote:


wrote in message ...

As has been pointed out, here. Metallic Mercury isn't very toxic at
all. The body doesn't know what to do with it. Many Mercury
compounds are extremely toxic, however.

It is all about the vector. I know of a Indian tribe that mined
mercury. They died. Liquid mercury does not have an easy vector
into the body unless ingested/inhaled. Handling the stuff without
protection over a period of years will have harmful effects.

No, it's about chemistry. Metallic mercury isn't digested. Some
Mercury compounds are, quite readily. What isn't digested...

Metallic Mercury isn't found in nature.

On 12/14/2013 02:27 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

yes, I know you were being facetious

I am not overly paranoid about CFL's but I would not want one directly
in a food area.

Remember the '50's? Wasn't it mandatory to have a two or three ringed
fluorescent fixture centered over the kitchen table? Fluorescent
fixtures beneath the cabinets over food prep areas? Fluorescent
fixtures (tubes) housed in decorative fixtures?

They looked like crap and I wouldn't want one in the kitchen solely for
esthetic reasons.

The only real problem I have with CFL's is that they look terrible. If
they had true color rendition and looked like incandescent, it wouldn't
be so bad.

The mercury is or can be a problem but when you raise that issue, the
Greenies are quick to point out that "incandescent bulbs are just as
bad" Really? or that just more bull**** from the "do as I say crowd?"




I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:17:48 -0600, philo* wrote:

On 12/14/2013 02:27 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

yes, I know you were being facetious

I am not overly paranoid about CFL's but I would not want one directly
in a food area.

Remember the '50's? Wasn't it mandatory to have a two or three ringed
fluorescent fixture centered over the kitchen table? Fluorescent
fixtures beneath the cabinets over food prep areas? Fluorescent
fixtures (tubes) housed in decorative fixtures?

They looked like crap and I wouldn't want one in the kitchen solely for
esthetic reasons.

The only real problem I have with CFL's is that they look terrible. If
they had true color rendition and looked like incandescent, it wouldn't
be so bad.

The mercury is or can be a problem but when you raise that issue, the
Greenies are quick to point out that "incandescent bulbs are just as
bad" Really? or that just more bull**** from the "do as I say crowd?"




I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

They're OK for a basement. Tubes are much better, though. CFLs are a
lightbulb designed by committee (Congress).

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

There's sound technical reasons this hasn't happened. Light bulbs, by
their nature, are fairly omnidirectional radiators. LEDs are just the
opposite. In flashlights, a directional source is a good thing. For
general illumination, not so much.

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:03:27 -0600, "ChairMan"
wrote:

philo wrote:
On 12/14/2013 09:15 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2013 8:49 AM, philo wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:40 AM, Lee B wrote:


I would never use any type of fluorescent light right
next to an
area where food is being prepared simply due to the fact
that they
contain mercury. The chance of one breaking is probably
not that
great...but personally , I'd just never do it.


??? You mean to say that if an incandescent bulb broke
you'd sweep
up the pieces (or pick them out of the soup as the case
may be) and
go on to dinner?

If the bulb breaks, it breaks and everything in the area
goes in the
trash and it's a do over. Period.

I really think that in this context the only issues to
concern
yourself with are bulb longevity due to positioning and,
possibly,
heat - but the latter apparently is NOT a concern of the
OP








No. a fluorescent would spew mercury contamination
everywhere.

An incandescent...just broken glass.

Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with
the
fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury left
behind.

guess I'm going to die then because my brother and I had a
bottle of mercury that we would pour out on the table and
play with when we were kids.
Rolling from here to there and making little blobs out of
big ones and then back to big ones.
Someone please come save me!!!!!!



My sister and I did the same thing. Coated dimes with the stuff. Also
melted down lead and made fake coins with a plaster mould.

On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:24:39 -0600, gonjah wrote:

On 12/15/2013 2:09 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/14/2013 9:26 PM, gonjah wrote:
On 12/14/2013 4:44 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 12/14/2013 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:20:15 -0600, philo
wrote:

On 12/14/2013 01:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:
p

No. a fluorescent would spew mercury contamination
everywhere.

An incandescent...just broken glass.

Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with
the fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury
left behind.

guess I'm going to die then because my brother and I had a
bottle of mercury that we would pour out on the table and
play with when we were kids. Rolling from here to there and
making little blobs out of big ones and then back to big
ones. Someone please come save me!!!!!!

yep, me and my friends all played with mercury when we were
kids

and probably within the next 40 years we'll all be dead.

Also: we put our feet in those 'shoe' xray machines

Kids today are so much deprived of real fun
And we used a mixture of asbestos and plaster of paris as
modelling clay.


I recall reading about a young woman scientist working The EPA who
told her superiors that there was only one form of asbestos that
was a health hazard. Her superiors told her to shut up because the
people who were forced by the government to spend billions to
remove or replace asbestos in their products would show up at the
door with pitchforks and torches.


That doesn't make a lot of sense.

"Six minerals types are defined by the United States Environmental
Protection Agency as "asbestos" including those belonging to the
serpentine class and those belonging to the amphibole class. All six
asbestos mineral types are known to be human carcinogens."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos

I have heard that because it's a naturally occurring mineral there is
no way to escape exposure in certain areas unless you wear a
respirator 24/7.


The story could have been or was apocryphal but it had information about
different forms of asbestos where one was rod shaped and another was
shaped like a pigtail or curlicue. The story went on the say that
only one of the types was dangerous. It's been a long time since I read
the story but I suppose I could search the web for it or something like
it. ^_^

TDD




I read part of the article in your first link and it is interesting. I
don't see how it makes disturbing asbestos "safe" which I believe is the
main concern with it. As far as imbedded asbestos, in say a piece of
siding or insulation, it's probably just as dangerous as naturally
occurring asbestos. Maybe more so.


If you aren't mining the stuff or tearing down a giant room that was
insulated with it, it's really not worth worrying about. Even the EPA
doesn't care how you handle it when you are dealing with less than
something like 20 square feet of "demolition".

On Sunday, December 15, 2013 11:14:55 AM UTC-5, gonjah wrote:
On 12/15/2013 9:33 AM, wrote:

On Sunday, December 15, 2013 3:09:18 AM UTC-5, The Daring Dufas wrote:

On 12/14/2013 9:26 PM, gonjah wrote:



On 12/14/2013 4:44 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:



On 12/14/2013 1:26 PM, wrote:



On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:20:15 -0600, philo



wrote:







On 12/14/2013 01:03 PM, ChairMan wrote:



p







No. a fluorescent would spew mercury contamination



everywhere.







An incandescent...just broken glass.







Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with



the fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury



left behind.







guess I'm going to die then because my brother and I had a



bottle of mercury that we would pour out on the table and



play with when we were kids. Rolling from here to there and



making little blobs out of big ones and then back to big



ones. Someone please come save me!!!!!!







yep, me and my friends all played with mercury when we were



kids







and probably within the next 40 years we'll all be dead.







Also: we put our feet in those 'shoe' xray machines







Kids today are so much deprived of real fun



And we used a mixture of asbestos and plaster of paris as



modelling clay.











I recall reading about a young woman scientist working The EPA who



told her superiors that there was only one form of asbestos that



was a health hazard. Her superiors told her to shut up because the



people who were forced by the government to spend billions to



remove or replace asbestos in their products would show up at the



door with pitchforks and torches.











That doesn't make a lot of sense.







"Six minerals types are defined by the United States Environmental



Protection Agency as "asbestos" including those belonging to the



serpentine class and those belonging to the amphibole class. All six



asbestos mineral types are known to be human carcinogens."







http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos







I have heard that because it's a naturally occurring mineral there is



no way to escape exposure in certain areas unless you wear a



respirator 24/7.











The story could have been or was apocryphal but it had information about



different forms of asbestos where one was rod shaped and another was



shaped like a pigtail or curlicue. The story went on the say that



only one of the types was dangerous. It's been a long time since I read



the story but I suppose I could search the web for it or something like



it. ^_^







TDD



Voer 3 dedades ago I went to a lecture at college given by David Baltimore,

who won the nobel prize for his work on cancer research. At the time, he

told us that he was not optimistic that a cure for cancer would be found

within our lifetimes. One interesting fact I still remember was him

describing how you could take pieces of glass and insert them in lab rats

and at the same time, insert ground up glass in other rats. One group

of rats developed cancer, the other did not.



So, I would not be surprised at all that some forms of asbestos are

more dangerous than others. Anyone that thinks there is great danger because there is siding on a house which contains asbestos, is IMO, nuts. The

health dangers from asbestos were first found in ship workers and other who

were breathing it in during WWII in environments where it was so dense in

the air you couldn't see. From that, it's gone to an ambulance chasing

bunch of lawyers, who try to claim that if you're sick, it must be from

just looking at asbestos for two months when you had some particular job.







Sure, leave it alone and there is no problem. True with a lot of things.

Wild animals, rip tides, cliffs, etc....



The problem is when you have it in your house, school, workplace etc.....



No, it's genearlly not a problem when you have it in your house unless you're
dumb enough to do something stupid with it. If it's in you siding, how
exactly is that going to kill you? If you take a grinder to it and breathe
it in extensively, well then maybe you have a problem. If it's in your floor
tile and you're dumb enough to take a grinder or sander to that, then you
increase you're risk. Even the guys who worked in environments with it so
thick in the air you couldn't see, only have a few percent risk of getting
cancer from it.




"When materials in your home become damaged or disturbed, microscopic

asbestos fibers can become airborne. When this happens, health-risks

become a factor as inhalation of these fibers can cause them to be

trapped in the lungs, to accumulate, and cause scarring and

inflammation." etc....



This is gross extrapolation from workers that were exposed constantly
to huge amounts of it based mostly on scare tactics.





http://voices.yahoo.com/lead-paint-a...898.html?cat=5



We could outlaw cfls for the same reason 25 years from now. Maybe not

because the exposure is so minimal.

The exposure to asbestos in a home in most cases is minimal too,
unless you do something stupid, like grind up floor tile or siding that
has some in it and breath in as much as you can. Kind of like sticking
your wang in a 240V outlet. Maybe we should get rid of those too.

On 12/16/2013 12:35 AM, wrote:
We could outlaw cfls for the same reason 25 years from now. Maybe not

because the exposure is so minimal.

The exposure to asbestos in a home in most cases is minimal too,
unless you do something stupid, like grind up floor tile or siding that
has some in it and breath in as much as you can. Kind of like sticking
your wang in a 240V outlet. Maybe we should get rid of those too.


I dropped a CFL at my parents house, a couple
weeks ago. Mom got the vacuum cleaner. I was
going to suggest wisk and dust pan, but she was
insistent. I commented to Dad, with all that
air flow through the vac bag, any mercury would
be in the atmosphere. I also remembered commenting
we'd all be mad hatters, and we were all about
to die. Maybe that's it? Dad died a day or two
after Mom vacuumed up a broken CFL.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

The early CFL bulbs were garbage, but most of the recent CFL's I've picked
up from places like Home Depot have been great. The same "soft white" color
temperature (around 2700K) and equal or better brightness. We use them
everywhere except on our dimmer circuits where even the dimming bulbs don't
work very well. The only downside to the CFL's is they can be a little dim
when you first turn them on if it's a cold morning. Only takes a minute or
two to get to full brightness though, no biggy.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

I picked up three CREE 60W LED bulbs for our kitchen from Home Depot. I am
very impressed with them. Instant on, full brightness from the start, and
good color temperature. When I first installed them I thought they produced
more glare than the standard incandescent bulbs they were replacing, but
haven't noticed since then. I don't know if I got used to the different
light, or if the glare went away over time. Either way, it's not an issue
now.

I will be switching to the CREE LED bulbs as my CFL's burn out.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:44:58 -0600, "Irreverent Maximus"
wrote:


wrote in message
. ..

As has been pointed out, here. Metallic Mercury isn't very toxic at
all. The body doesn't know what to do with it. Many Mercury
compounds are extremely toxic, however.

It is all about the vector. I know of a Indian tribe that mined
mercury. They died. Liquid mercury does not have an easy vector
into the body unless ingested/inhaled. Handling the stuff without
protection over a period of years will have harmful effects.

No, it's about chemistry. Metallic mercury isn't digested. Some
Mercury compounds are, quite readily. What isn't digested...

Metallic Mercury isn't found in nature.

Lewis and Clark took doses of liquid mercury on their 1804 western
expedition as a laxative. Clark lived to be 68; Lewis died, probably of
suicide, at 35. One biography says that he suffered from alcoholism,
depression and perhaps syphilis or malaria. Was mercury involved? There's
some talk of exhuming his body. Maybe we'll find out.

I've been exposed to liquid mercury and mercury vapor for almost 40 years
because I worked where fluorescent lamps were tested and manufactured. I've
also got several mercury amalgam fillings. Now at 75, there's nothing in my
medical history indicating any health issues from mercury. All that I've
read says that it's mercury compounds and especially methy mercury that does
the damage. The Berkeley dudes who wrote the article at:
http://www.lamprecycle.org/public/im...ust%202009.pdf got
it right in my view. They say that breaking a CFL results in exposure to
mercury that is about 1/50 of what you get by eating a "single nibble" of
Albacore tuna. How many of you have been around the broken pieces of a
4-foot fluorescent bulb or worse, an 8-foot fluorescent? If so, those bulbs
can contain up to 1,000 times more mercury than a CFL.

Tomsic

"philo " wrote in message
...
On 12/14/2013 02:27 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

yes, I know you were being facetious

I am not overly paranoid about CFL's but I would not want one directly
in a food area.

Remember the '50's? Wasn't it mandatory to have a two or three ringed
fluorescent fixture centered over the kitchen table? Fluorescent
fixtures beneath the cabinets over food prep areas? Fluorescent
fixtures (tubes) housed in decorative fixtures?

They looked like crap and I wouldn't want one in the kitchen solely for
esthetic reasons.

The only real problem I have with CFL's is that they look terrible. If
they had true color rendition and looked like incandescent, it wouldn't
be so bad.

The mercury is or can be a problem but when you raise that issue, the
Greenies are quick to point out that "incandescent bulbs are just as
bad" Really? or that just more bull**** from the "do as I say crowd?"




I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.


Lots of LED fixtures, bulbs and controls are now available for residential
applications. There's a catalog of the best ones at
www.lightingfortomorrow.com based on an annual competition. LED fixtures
started showing up in 2006.

Tomsic

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
Lee B wrote:
On 12/14/2013 10:15 AM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:
On 12/14/2013 8:49 AM, philo wrote:
On 12/14/2013 08:40 AM, Lee B wrote:


I would never use any type of fluorescent light right next to an
area where food is being prepared simply due to the fact that they
contain mercury. The chance of one breaking is probably not that
great...but personally , I'd just never do it.


??? You mean to say that if an incandescent bulb broke you'd sweep
up the pieces (or pick them out of the soup as the case may be) and
go on to dinner?

If the bulb breaks, it breaks and everything in the area goes in the
trash and it's a do over. Period.

I really think that in this context the only issues to concern
yourself with are bulb longevity due to positioning and, possibly,
heat - but the latter apparently is NOT a concern of the OP




This is true. I do so little cooking on the stove top, that I'm not
really concerned about the heat issue, but the HD guy did make me
wonder if that was a valid concern should I ever get the urge to
cook. And yes, I'm more interested in the longevity/positioning angle.

Maybe I'll just go stock up on some more incandescent bulbs, since for
now I'm keeping a stock pile to use with my X10 modules.

My microwave has a glass cover protecting the bulbs, so breaking them is
highly unlikely. Heat might be a problem. I'm not sure how it switches
from bright to dim, so that might be a problem with CFLs.

IMPORTANT point. Range hoods that have a switch that changes the lights
from bright to dim just switch a diode in and out of the circuit. In the
dim mode, that operates the bulbs on half-wave dc. The electronics inside a
CFL bulb won't like that at all.

On half-wave dc, incandescent bulbs draw half power which results in roughly
1/3 the rated light output.

Tomsic

HerHusband writes:

I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

The early CFL bulbs were garbage, but most of the recent CFL's I've picked
up from places like Home Depot have been great. The same "soft white" color
temperature (around 2700K) and equal or better brightness. We use them
everywhere except on our dimmer circuits where even the dimming bulbs don't
work very well. The only downside to the CFL's is they can be a little dim
when you first turn them on if it's a cold morning. Only takes a minute or
two to get to full brightness though, no biggy.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

I picked up three CREE 60W LED bulbs for our kitchen from Home Depot. I am
very impressed with them. Instant on, full brightness from the start, and
good color temperature. When I first installed them I thought they produced
more glare than the standard incandescent bulbs they were replacing, but
haven't noticed since then. I don't know if I got used to the different
light, or if the glare went away over time. Either way, it's not an issue
now.

I will be switching to the CREE LED bulbs as my CFL's burn out.

I just went through the exact same thing.
In a short period of time, 3 of our 7 flood incandescents burnt out.
I finally decided to try LEDs. Now I have 3 CREEs in there and
I'm convinced. Not sure I'll even wait for the other 4 to burn out.

Great looking light color and they work really well with the
dimmer.

The only down side is the initial cost.

--
Dan Espen

On 12/16/2013 08:13 AM, HerHusband wrote:
I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

The early CFL bulbs were garbage, but most of the recent CFL's I've picked
up from places like Home Depot have been great. The same "soft white" color
temperature (around 2700K) and equal or better brightness. We use them
everywhere except on our dimmer circuits where even the dimming bulbs don't
work very well. The only downside to the CFL's is they can be a little dim
when you first turn them on if it's a cold morning. Only takes a minute or
two to get to full brightness though, no biggy.


My back hall is very cold and when I first turn on the CFL it gives
almost no illumination at all...even after a few minutes it still does
not come up to full brilliance. That said...they are an improvement
over the original ones.


I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

I picked up three CREE 60W LED bulbs for our kitchen from Home Depot. I am
very impressed with them. Instant on, full brightness from the start, and
good color temperature. When I first installed them I thought they produced
more glare than the standard incandescent bulbs they were replacing, but
haven't noticed since then. I don't know if I got used to the different
light, or if the glare went away over time. Either way, it's not an issue
now.

I will be switching to the CREE LED bulbs as my CFL's burn out.




Thanks for the info, next time I go to Home Depot I will get a few and
try them out.

On 12/16/2013 09:12 AM, = wrote:
"philo " wrote in message
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On 12/14/2013 02:27 PM, Unquestionably Confused wrote:

yes, I know you were being facetious

I am not overly paranoid about CFL's but I would not want one directly
in a food area.

Remember the '50's? Wasn't it mandatory to have a two or three ringed
fluorescent fixture centered over the kitchen table? Fluorescent
fixtures beneath the cabinets over food prep areas? Fluorescent
fixtures (tubes) housed in decorative fixtures?

They looked like crap and I wouldn't want one in the kitchen solely for
esthetic reasons.

The only real problem I have with CFL's is that they look terrible. If
they had true color rendition and looked like incandescent, it wouldn't
be so bad.

The mercury is or can be a problem but when you raise that issue, the
Greenies are quick to point out that "incandescent bulbs are just as
bad" Really? or that just more bull**** from the "do as I say crowd?"




I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.


Lots of LED fixtures, bulbs and controls are now available for residential
applications. There's a catalog of the best ones at
www.lightingfortomorrow.com based on an annual competition. LED fixtures
started showing up in 2006.

Tomsic





Thanks for the info!

On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 10:46:19 -0500, Dan Espen
wrote:

HerHusband writes:

I haye them mostly because they give poor light. I have a few in areas
that do not require particularly good illumination.

The early CFL bulbs were garbage, but most of the recent CFL's I've picked
up from places like Home Depot have been great. The same "soft white" color
temperature (around 2700K) and equal or better brightness. We use them
everywhere except on our dimmer circuits where even the dimming bulbs don't
work very well. The only downside to the CFL's is they can be a little dim
when you first turn them on if it's a cold morning. Only takes a minute or
two to get to full brightness though, no biggy.

I just cannot believe that no one can prefect LED technology for home
lighting. My LED flashlights are great.

I picked up three CREE 60W LED bulbs for our kitchen from Home Depot. I am
very impressed with them. Instant on, full brightness from the start, and
good color temperature. When I first installed them I thought they produced
more glare than the standard incandescent bulbs they were replacing, but
haven't noticed since then. I don't know if I got used to the different
light, or if the glare went away over time. Either way, it's not an issue
now.

I will be switching to the CREE LED bulbs as my CFL's burn out.

I just went through the exact same thing.
In a short period of time, 3 of our 7 flood incandescents burnt out.
I finally decided to try LEDs. Now I have 3 CREEs in there and
I'm convinced. Not sure I'll even wait for the other 4 to burn out.



I dure didn't - they were on sale with a cupon at Home Depot so I
bought replacements for all the PARs and everything else the had the
bulbs to fit.

Great looking light color and they work really well with the
dimmer.

The only down side is the initial cost.

On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:08:13 -0600, philo* wrote:


No. a fluorescent would spew mercury contamination everywhere.

Dont they make devices like mops to mop up the mercury?
Then be sure to have several 50 gallon buckets to contain all of it.

An incandescent...just broken glass.

Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with the
fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury left behind.

My back hall is very cold and when I first turn on the CFL it gives
almost no illumination at all...even after a few minutes it still does
not come up to full brilliance. That said...they are an improvement
over the original ones.

I have been using CFL bulbs in our outdoor fixtures for the last several
years. While the fixtures are mostly weather tight, they are open on the
bottoms. I honestly did not expect the CFL's to last outdoors, but I think
I've only replaced one of them in the last five years.

The outdoor CFL's are generally quite dim when they first come on, and it
can take several minutes for them to reach full brightness. Especially if
it is really cold outside. But, the lights are on timers, so they usually
come on an hour or more before we need them. Since these lights are on
several hours each day, the energy savings has been worth it.

I will probably try the CREE LED bulbs in the outdoor fixtures when the
CFL's die just to see if they work OK.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:08:13 -0600, philo wrote:


No. a fluorescent would spew mercury contamination everywhere.

Dont they make devices like mops to mop up the mercury?
Then be sure to have several 50 gallon buckets to contain all of it.

An incandescent...just broken glass.

Yes, you'd have to throw out any food in the area but with the
fluorescent there would still be traces of mercury left behind.


Mercury has an affinity for sulphur. You can clean up bits of liquid
mercury with "flowers of sulphur" (sulphur powder such as is used for garden
application). Sweep, don't vacuum. See:
http://www.health.ny.gov/environment...cury_spill.htm

Tomsic