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Will Salt prevent toilet and traps from freezing
To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home
this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? |
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 8:38:56 PM UTC-8, wrote:
To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Depends on how cold it gets. Salt water will freeze at lower temps than fresh but when it freezes depends on how much salt is in it. Harry K |
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To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? I would imagine that a shop vac would get enough water out of the toilets so that it was no longer an issue. I've sucked toilets almost dry before removing them. Well, the shop vac sucked them dry, not me. You could adapt the hose with a smaller one to ensure it gets deep down into trap. If the toilet is not connected to anything underneath, wouldn't any tiny bit of water left have room to expand? |
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I agree with the idea of sucking the remaining water out of the bowl siphon channel with a wet/dry vaccuum.
You can buy an adapter at Home Depot to connect the normal 2 1/2 inch vaccuum hose used by Sears and Shop Vac wet/dry vaccuum cleaners to a 5/8 inch diameter garden hose. I use that kind of adapter to suck the water out of copper piping before soldering. If you twist the hose while pushing it into the toilet bowl, you should be able to get all the way through the siphon channel. |
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To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Depends on how cold it gets. After all, the Arctic Sea freezes. But I'm not sure why you care if they freeze. It's not like a pipe which is full of water which has no where to go if it freezes. If the water in your traps freezes wouldn't it just expand hamlessly into the empty portions? -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:50:34 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:38:56 -0600, wrote: Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? It will start to freeze at about 14F and freeze solid at about -5. I'm confused. Do you mean withoout anything added, with salt added, with antifreeze? How come you don't say 31F? Is the risk worth saving a few pennies? |
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 05:40:24 -0500, "dadiOH" wrote:
wrote in message To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Depends on how cold it gets. After all, the Arctic Sea freezes. But I'm not sure why you care if they freeze. It's not like a pipe which is full of water which has no where to go if it freezes. If the water in your traps freezes wouldn't it just expand hamlessly into the empty portions? I guess that the salty water will then freeze. I didn't think it would. A toilet will crack faster than a pipe will burst. Porcelin has no "give", whereas a metal pipe will expand a little before bursting, since metal can stretch. I've seen many toilets break from freezing in abandoned homes and had one of mine break years ago, when the furnece quit working. I also had a spare toilet stored outside and even though I thought it was covered, some rain water must have gotten inside. When Spring came, it was split in several pieces. As far as traps, it seems that the plastic ones tend to pop apart more often than break, but the old brass ones would split wide open. I guess I'll just remove the traps, and give a try to the using a shop vac on the toilet, and probably add a little RV anti-freeze too. When I drain the system in spring, I'll have to put a pail under the trailer's drain pipe and dispose of the contents in a safe place. |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 06:09:05 -0500, micky
wrote: On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:50:34 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:38:56 -0600, wrote: Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? It will start to freeze at about 14F and freeze solid at about -5. I'm confused. Do you mean withoout anything added, with salt added, with antifreeze? How come you don't say 31F? He asked about adding salt. The salt would dissolve in the water and make a brine. The brine would start to freeze at about 14 degrees. Seawater is less saline and would freeze at higher temperatures. |
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On Friday, November 8, 2013 11:38:56 PM UTC-5, wrote:
To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. Nonsense. It's not poisonous at all. That's why it's labled as non-toxic right on the container. It's made for winterizing among other things, potable fresh water systems. I used it for many years on my boat. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Except of course the plants, insects, etc that it kills from the salt. It will lower the freezing point, but if it gets cold enough it will still freeze. You live in SC or Alaska? |
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On 11/9/2013 1:26 AM, nestork wrote:
I agree with the idea of sucking the remaining water out of the bowl siphon channel with a wet/dry vaccuum. You can buy an adapter at Home Depot to connect the normal 2 1/2 inch vaccuum hose used by Sears and Shop Vac wet/dry vaccuum cleaners to a 5/8 inch diameter garden hose. I use that kind of adapter to suck the water out of copper piping before soldering. If you twist the hose while pushing it into the toilet bowl, you should be able to get all the way through the siphon channel. Might be able to use the shopvac air discharge, and blow the water through the trap onto the ground under the trailer. Pack around the hose with heavy towel, and turn the shop vac on. Be the first man in your street to have blown a toilet trap. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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On 11/9/2013 6:09 AM, wrote:
A toilet will crack faster than a pipe will burst. Porcelin has no "give", whereas a metal pipe will expand a little before bursting, since metal can stretch. I've seen many toilets break from freezing in abandoned homes and had one of mine break years ago, when the furnece quit working. I also had a spare toilet stored outside and even though I thought it was covered, some rain water must have gotten inside. When Spring came, it was split in several pieces. As far as traps, it seems that the plastic ones tend to pop apart more often than break, but the old brass ones would split wide open. I guess I'll just remove the traps, and give a try to the using a shop vac on the toilet, and probably add a little RV anti-freeze too. When I drain the system in spring, I'll have to put a pail under the trailer's drain pipe and dispose of the contents in a safe place. Worth knowing, about toilets cracking. A very real concern, new toilets cost money. My parents had toilet replaced recently. About $400 including the plumber's labor. I've removed toilets, and find that a turkey baster works nicely to get the last of the water. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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micky wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:38:56 -0600, wrote: But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. Guest room, I think. Guest houses usually include water! Guest house. Read the first line left quoted above. He said the water will be hooked up next summer. |
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living in a cold in winter area its common knowledge salt doesnt melt ice much below freezing. plus salt is highly corrosive.
better to use rv antifreeze, or do the best you can and accept ssome frozen pipes... even blown down lines can freeze and break..... or send the home on a winter vacation to florida;0 |
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bob haller wrote:
living in a cold in winter area its common knowledge salt doesnt melt ice much below freezing. plus salt is highly corrosive. Define "much below freezing".* Sodium chloride lowers the freezing temp of water to about 15F in real world conditions, even lower in the lab. Magnesium chloride melts ice down to about 5F. * I once worked for the IT director of a Fortune 500 company. If you were in a project status meeting and she asked for a cost or a time frame, etc. and you answered with "It won't cost much" or "It won't take very long" there would be a very good chance that you wouldn't be invited back to her meetings. You can't plan things around values like "not much" or "not very long". |
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On 11/9/2013 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
* I once worked for the IT director of a Fortune 500 company. If you were in a project status meeting and she asked for a cost or a time frame, etc. and you answered with "It won't cost much" or "It won't take very long" there would be a very good chance that you wouldn't be invited back to her meetings. You can't plan things around values like "not much" or "not very long". Yet we all know people that plan their entire lives like that. |
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wrote in message ... To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? You would need to test the salt content, by using a salometer. Optimum content would be between 88 & 92%, but the higher the better. Even then, it would only be good for 20 degrees F. |
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote: * I once worked for the IT director of a Fortune 500 company. If you were in a project status meeting and she asked for a cost or a time frame, etc. and you answered with "It won't cost much" or "It won't take very long" there would be a very good chance that you wouldn't be invited back to her meetings. You can't plan things around values like "not much" or "not very long". Yet we all know people that plan their entire lives like that. Man plans and God laughsg |
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On Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:47:34 -0800 (PST), Harry K
wrote: On Friday, November 8, 2013 8:38:56 PM UTC-8, wrote: To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Depends on how cold it gets. Salt water will freeze at lower temps than fresh but when it freezes depends on how much salt is in it. Good point. The eutectic point for brine is -21C (-6F), so it's not going to be a very good antifreeze for an unheated building in Canuckistan. Propylene glycol is a much better idea. |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 07:43:45 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 11/9/2013 1:26 AM, nestork wrote: I agree with the idea of sucking the remaining water out of the bowl siphon channel with a wet/dry vaccuum. You can buy an adapter at Home Depot to connect the normal 2 1/2 inch vaccuum hose used by Sears and Shop Vac wet/dry vaccuum cleaners to a 5/8 inch diameter garden hose. I use that kind of adapter to suck the water out of copper piping before soldering. If you twist the hose while pushing it into the toilet bowl, you should be able to get all the way through the siphon channel. Might be able to use the shopvac air discharge, and blow the water through the trap onto the ground under the trailer. Pack around the hose with heavy towel, and turn the shop vac on. Be the first man in your street to have blown a toilet trap. Or compressed air from a portable tank. ;-) |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 12:12:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/9/2013 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote: * I once worked for the IT director of a Fortune 500 company. If you were in a project status meeting and she asked for a cost or a time frame, etc. and you answered with "It won't cost much" or "It won't take very long" there would be a very good chance that you wouldn't be invited back to her meetings. You can't plan things around values like "not much" or "not very long". Yet we all know people that plan their entire lives like that. Do you plan your life to the nanosecond? |
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On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 07:25:05 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 06:09:05 -0500, micky wrote: On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:50:34 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:38:56 -0600, wrote: Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? It will start to freeze at about 14F and freeze solid at about -5. I'm confused. Do you mean withoout anything added, with salt added, with antifreeze? How come you don't say 31F? He asked about adding salt. Good point. The salt would dissolve in the water and make a brine. The brine would start to freeze at about 14 degrees. Seawater is less saline and would freeze at higher temperatures. Yeah, that's what confused me, I think. Thanks. |
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On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 12:22:01 -0500, "Culvert" wrote:
wrote in message .. . To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? You would need to test the salt content, by using a salometer. Optimum content would be between 88 & 92%, but the higher the better. Even then, it would only be good for 20 degrees F. The eutectic mix (23.3% NaCl by weight) freezes at -6F. More is not better. At saturation (not much more, at 26.2%) brine freezes at 32F. Sol Freezing Pt % C F 24 -17.00 -1.4 25 -10.40 13.3 26 -2.30 27.9 26.3 -0.00 32.00 definition point for the Fahrenheit scale http://seagrant.oregonstate.edu/sgpu...ubs/h99002.pdf |
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The salt/brine onto the ground next Spring will harm plant life in the vicinity of the drop point. I would also worry about the brine/salt damaging any non-plastic pipes in the system.
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On Saturday, November 9, 2013 2:40:24 AM UTC-8, dadiOH wrote:
wrote in message To prevent toilet and traps from freezing in an unheated mobile home this winter I know that most people put either regular anti-freeze or RV anti-freeze in the toilet bowl and sink traps. But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. It's sitting on blocks, and close to being level, but that is all I plan to do to it before winter except repair the broken windows. When warm weather returns, I'll re-check the levelness and then connect the utilities. In the meantime, there is still some water in the toilet and probably the sink traps. I drained the water heater and pipes. I may just remove the sink traps and that will solve them. But it's impossible to get all the water out of a toilet without removing it. Anyhow, when I connect this to the water next summer, I dont want anti-freeze pouring out on the ground under the trailer, which could poison pets and so on. I know the RV anti-freeze is not as poisonous as the regular type, but still is not good for the environment and animals. I'm wondering if simply pouring a cup or two of table salt into the toilet bowl would work. Besides being cheaper, it would not harm anything when it's flushed out on the ground. Will it work? Depends on how cold it gets. After all, the Arctic Sea freezes. But I'm not sure why you care if they freeze. It's not like a pipe which is full of water which has no where to go if it freezes. If the water in your traps freezes wouldn't it just expand hamlessly into the empty portions? Nope. I gave my take-out (good toilet but needed a "handicap" one) to a buddy but he didn't pick it up. I left it out in the open, rained, broke. Not at the trap but in the siphon area in front of the bowl. Harry K |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
micky wrote: On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:38:56 -0600, wrote: But this trailer wont be connected to water or a sewer until at least next summer. It's just intended to be used for a guest house and storage. Guest room, I think. Guest houses usually include water! Guest house. Read the first line left quoted above. He said the water will be hooked up next summer. Hi, Just buy couple jugs of RV anti-freeze and pour little bit of it on every trap and toilet bowl. Hope you don't have many. Salt water can freeze when cold way below 32deg. F. |
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Will Salt prevent toilet and traps from freezing
On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 22:58:37 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/9/2013 2:39 PM, wrote: On Sat, 09 Nov 2013 12:12:06 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 11/9/2013 10:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote: * I once worked for the IT director of a Fortune 500 company. If you were in a project status meeting and she asked for a cost or a time frame, etc. and you answered with "It won't cost much" or "It won't take very long" there would be a very good chance that you wouldn't be invited back to her meetings. You can't plan things around values like "not much" or "not very long". Yet we all know people that plan their entire lives like that. Do you plan your life to the nanosecond? No, but I do plan parts of it. Like getting the house paid off, lengthy vacations, major home renovations. I don't take a list to the grocery store though. Did you plan, ten years in advance, what day you were going to write the last mortgage check? In real life, at least mine, there IS such a thing as "not much" and "not very long", and even "I'll get to it when I get to it". |
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On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 01:02:17 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:51:37 -0500, wrote: Yet we all know people that plan their entire lives like that. Do you plan your life to the nanosecond? No, but I do plan parts of it. Like getting the house paid off, lengthy vacations, major home renovations. I don't take a list to the grocery store though. Did you plan, ten years in advance, what day you were going to write the last mortgage check? Actually, pretty close. I beat it by a couple of months. I followed along with an Excel spreadsheet that showed me how much interest I'd save with every extra dollar added to principle. Great incentive to pre-pay In real life, at least mine, there IS such a thing as "not much" and "not very long", and even "I'll get to it when I get to it". Yes, but it is not 100% of your life. You can't be obsessive about it but most people have some idea where they are headed. You also have to be able to change when needed. It's good that you agree. You are human. |
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