On 08-03-2013 09:03, DerbyDad03 wrote:
If it was folded up, why would Wes have wondered what could have been in

I didn't wonder what was in it. It's trajectory (and her size) made it
highly unlikely it had much weight.

it? Why would the guards have asked her to open it so they could look
inside? Why would she have had to throw it over the fence?

Because it was too big to take through the exit turnstile.

--
Wes Groleau

Why does everyone call it a €œfanny pack" ?
When was the last time you saw one on a fanny?

On 08-03-2013 05:58, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Wes Groleau wrote:
I'm thinking, "If there were anything of any size in that box. she
couldn't have thrown it like that, and if it were of any value, it isn't
after falling ten feet onto the parking lot."

There are lots of very light, yet valuable items. In addition, value is in

True. However, the only things worth stealing in our plant were
electronics (other than personal things people may have brought in).

She might have been stealing a router, though in the 1980s, not very
many would do that.

I was _never_ questioned, though I went past the same camera and through
the same turnstile every day. I was always carrying a briefcase into
which I could have fit--just barely--one of the
Sun workstations that were stacked up higher than my head in an unlocked
room ten feet from the door.

--
Wes Groleau

Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which
the only specification is that it should run noiselessly.
€” unknown

On 8/4/2013 10:38 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-03-2013 05:58, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Wes Groleau wrote:
I'm thinking, "If there were anything of any size in that box. she
couldn't have thrown it like that, and if it were of any value, it isn't
after falling ten feet onto the parking lot."

There are lots of very light, yet valuable items. In addition, value
is in

True. However, the only things worth stealing in our plant were
electronics (other than personal things people may have brought in).

She might have been stealing a router, though in the 1980s, not very
many would do that.

I was _never_ questioned, though I went past the same camera and through
the same turnstile every day. I was always carrying a briefcase into
which I could have fit--just barely--one of the
Sun workstations that were stacked up higher than my head in an unlocked
room ten feet from the door.


It must have been one of those old inflatable Sun Workstations, they
were pretty slick but didn't work all that well. I suppose inflatable
computers were ahead of their time back then. ^_^

TDD

Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-03-2013 09:03, DerbyDad03 wrote:
If it was folded up, why would Wes have wondered what could have been in

I didn't wonder what was in it. It's trajectory (and her size) made it
highly unlikely it had much weight.

You snipped out the comment that I was responding to, which was the
suggestion that the box might have been folded up.

It's somewhat a matter of semantics. In terms of responding to the comment
that the box was folded up (which is what I was doing) "wondering what was
in it" and "I'm thinking, "If there were anything of any size in that box.
she couldn't have thrown it like that, and if it were of any value, it
isn't after falling ten feet onto the parking lot" are pretty much the same
thing.

The point being, if the box had been folded up when she tossed it over the
fence, you probably wouldn't have thought about the size and value of the
contents. That's all I was trying to say.


it? Why would the guards have asked her to open it so they could look
inside? Why would she have had to throw it over the fence?

Because it was too big to take through the exit turnstile.

Remember, I was responding to the comment that the box might have been
folded up. Granted, even a folded up box might be too big to fit through
the turnstile, but based on the fact that you were musing about the
contents, we can be pretty sure that It wasn't folded up.

On 8/4/2013 11:31 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:

Because it was too big to take through the exit turnstile.

I never had to work in a place with a turnstile. Would not do it now.

On 08-05-2013 07:11, Vic Smith wrote:
He was gone in a week. Seen some incredibly stupid people doing jobs
that supposedly take "brains.' Some of them last a long time too.

I heard a guy with a secret clearance on a defense project bragging
about fraud on his tax returns. I was four cubicles away, so I know at
least a dozen people heard him.

At the time, the IRS was offering a $500 reward for reporting such
people. I didn't, but I should have. Not for the money, but to get the
idiot out of classified work.

--
Wes Groleau

Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy:
http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html

On 08-05-2013 01:34, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/4/2013 10:38 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
I was _never_ questioned, though I went past the same camera and through
the same turnstile every day. I was always carrying a briefcase into
which I could have fit--just barely--one of the
Sun workstations that were stacked up higher than my head in an unlocked
room ten feet from the door.

It must have been one of those old inflatable Sun Workstations, they
were pretty slick but didn't work all that well. I suppose inflatable
computers were ahead of their time back then. ^_^

OK, I never actually tried to fit one in my briefcase, so I could be
wrong. But it would have been close.


--
Wes Groleau

€œIdeas are more powerful than guns,
We would not let our enemies have guns;
why should we let them have ideas?€�
€” Jozef Stalin

On Sat, 3 Aug 2013 03:42:47 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
wrote:

Frank wrote:
On 8/2/2013 3:48 PM, wrote:
On Friday, August 2, 2013 7:36:40 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
The once or twice I've been in womens clothing stores for repairs, they
have made effort to count the number of items that go in to the fitting
rooms. Still, they appear to lose a lot of items due to theft. That's a
real shame, that peoples morality is going down hill like that.

Shoplifting has been going on as long as there have been shops.

In fact it's probably not as prevalent now as it has been in the past
because of surveillance and electronic security devices.

The key is not spending more on security than you lose in theft. If you
spend $50,000 a year to prevent the loss of $38,000 of product, you may
as well let them take the stuff.

You can take the moral indignation high road but sometimes the moral
indignation high road leads to bankruptcy.


Before I retired, the company was employing more and more contract
workers at the lab site I was at. Real PITA. Even though they increased
security, theft losses doubled. Night janitors were a real problem and
even though they had to walk through the gate and open their lunch boxes,
stuff disappeared. I'm told of spotting tracks in the snow on either
side of the fence where stuff was tossed over.
I was waiting for a lock to be put on a lab balance (also contractors)
and forgot to lock it up and it was stolen. Cost me a half day with the
paperwork and investigation. Contract electricians, millwrights and
painters caused me lots of grief but I guess the company thought it was worth it.

I used to work with a HVAC maintenance guy who wore one of those blue denim
shop jackets with big pockets, every day, rain or shine, hot or cold. His
reason:

On the days he wanted to take small items from the "open parts bins" (nuts,
bolts, etc.) it wouldn't look weird if he suddenly wore a jacket. If he
wore the jacket everyday, no one would suspect him of stealing like they
would if he showed up wearing it on a random 90 degree day.

Think about that. He wasn't planning on stealing stuff everyday, but he was
dressing so that he could do so whenever he wanted to without raising
suspicion. What a strange way to go through life.

What do you have against planning ahead??

On Sun, 4 Aug 2013 04:16:12 -0400, "Robert Green"
wrote:

"Vic Smith" wrote in message

stuff snipped

OTOH, I'm not saying I'm perfect either. Did some of my own thieving
when I was a machine mechanic. Took about 10 each of maybe 3 small
sizes of nuts/bolts. 1/4, 5/16, 3/8. A few different lengths, along
with flat and lock washers for them.

I *knew* we would get a confession out of you eventually. (-:

Signed,
Inspector Javert

But seriously. When certain Federal agencies (which PRISM requires me not
to mention) instituted polygraphs for new hires, they scrupulously
eliminated anyone who admitted to trying *any* kind of illegal drug or who
had admitted to stealing anything from the workplace. When the recruit pool
dwindled down to far too few candidates to choose from, they then instituted
a policy of evaluating the nature of the trangressions.

I think the questions are now phrased "did you ever take anything worth more
than $20 from an employer?" and whether illicit drug use occurred within the
last 3 years. That should give you some idea of the prevalance of employee
theft.

Speaking of polygraphs, there's a huge debate occurring at sensitive
agencies asking how Snowden clearly slipped through the vetting process with
a major loose screw going undetected. I believe, like GZ, Snowden was a
washout, only he washed out of Special Forces. Rejection has driven more
than a few people right off rails.

People steal more today because they feel more entitled for a number of
reasons. The changing dynamic from "employer for life" to "contract
employer" had had an effect. When a company reneges on its committments to
employees, theft skyrockets because it becomes morally justified by
employees. "The company screwed me so I will screw them."

People have always stolen if they thought they could get away with it.
A friend of my Dad's ran a stable, not exactly a big dollar operation.
He had a couple employees. He rigged the phones so he could eavesdrop
on the employees and found them bragging about how they stole money
from the place when he wasn't around. Then they'd wonder why he fired
them. Another friend of Dad's died and the guys wife had to go to
work in a restaurant to keep some money coming in. She regularly
stole lots of money straight from the cash register. Another friend
of his was President of one of those Animal Fraternal Organizations
and that guy and another guy did the bartending at the "club" and they
would pocket hundreds of dollars at the end of each evening. My Dad
would never steal a dime.

When I cooked chicken for the Cornell we found one of the area
supervisors was sending the regular managers home and closing up their
stores for the night and in the process he'd throw out a few hundred
dollars worth of receipts and pocket the money. He got fired. That
was one of those things where I thought it was so stupid to lose a
good job like that for a few hundred extra dollars a month.

I'd admit to stealing office supplies and a few nuts and bolts (but
I also donated many many unpaid hours) as well as paid for awards and
cakes and stuff for my people that the company would not pay for. Even
so, it still makes me feel a little bad for taking anything...

On 8/6/2013 4:03 AM, Ashton Crusher wrote:

**********Clip Codswallop**********


People have always stolen if they thought they could get away with it.
A friend of my Dad's ran a stable, not exactly a big dollar operation.
He had a couple employees. He rigged the phones so he could eavesdrop
on the employees and found them bragging about how they stole money
from the place when he wasn't around. Then they'd wonder why he fired
them. Another friend of Dad's died and the guys wife had to go to
work in a restaurant to keep some money coming in. She regularly
stole lots of money straight from the cash register. Another friend
of his was President of one of those Animal Fraternal Organizations
and that guy and another guy did the bartending at the "club" and they
would pocket hundreds of dollars at the end of each evening. My Dad
would never steal a dime.

When I cooked chicken for the Cornell we found one of the area
supervisors was sending the regular managers home and closing up their
stores for the night and in the process he'd throw out a few hundred
dollars worth of receipts and pocket the money. He got fired. That
was one of those things where I thought it was so stupid to lose a
good job like that for a few hundred extra dollars a month.

I'd admit to stealing office supplies and a few nuts and bolts (but
I also donated many many unpaid hours) as well as paid for awards and
cakes and stuff for my people that the company would not pay for. Even
so, it still makes me feel a little bad for taking anything...


I've told the guys working for me that if they needed something, just
ask. I need to keep up with supplies and if someone walks off with a
whole box it can cause a problem. If they need an item that cost's a
lot of money, I let them pay for it over time. I drilled into them that
missing supplies caused job delays and more money than some screws, nuts
and bolts are worth. So just ask. ^_^

TDD

On 8/6/2013 12:10 AM, Wes Groleau wrote:
On 08-05-2013 01:34, The Daring Dufas wrote:
On 8/4/2013 10:38 PM, Wes Groleau wrote:
I was _never_ questioned, though I went past the same camera and through
the same turnstile every day. I was always carrying a briefcase into
which I could have fit--just barely--one of the
Sun workstations that were stacked up higher than my head in an unlocked
room ten feet from the door.

It must have been one of those old inflatable Sun Workstations, they
were pretty slick but didn't work all that well. I suppose inflatable
computers were ahead of their time back then. ^_^

OK, I never actually tried to fit one in my briefcase, so I could be
wrong. But it would have been close.


The workstation I'm using now is a dumpster rescue. Nothing wrong with
it, a new company moved in and was tossing all the old stuff. I have a
lot of Dell systems we are using here at the office that are trash pile
rescues including the wireless N router. We do the same with phone
equipment. We've rescued and resold a lot of it. ^_^

TDD

At my church's family history center, the computers would work painfully
slow. To the point that we could accomplish just totally nothing,
waiting two minutes for a page to load, and so on. One of the guys
thinks he had it figured out, someone put a "drop box" program on the
computer, and when they were on, some remote computer was using them for
storage and for processing. After a few months, the problem went away.
But, I do remember hearing the FHC woman scream in anguish a couple times.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/6/2013 7:10 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I sold several computer systems to a guy opening a tax service at
several offices. There was a problem at one office caused by one
of the employees installing a game on the server. There was a lot of
yelling over that one. ^_^

TDD

I'm guessing that more than a lot of things go in the dumpster, still
usable. A friend of mine visits the recycling center on a regular basis,
and it's amazing the things he brings home from there.

Does your wireless N router have a swastika or big lips? Which?
Enquiring minds want to know!

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/6/2013 7:15 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

The workstation I'm using now is a dumpster rescue. Nothing wrong with
it, a new company moved in and was tossing all the old stuff. I have a
lot of Dell systems we are using here at the office that are trash pile
rescues including the wireless N router. We do the same with phone
equipment. We've rescued and resold a lot of it. ^_^

TDD

On 8/6/2013 6:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I'm guessing that more than a lot of things go in the dumpster, still
usable. A friend of mine visits the recycling center on a regular basis,
and it's amazing the things he brings home from there.

Does your wireless N router have a swastika or big lips? Which?
Enquiring minds want to know!


According to the group's racist moderator Booby G., my wireless N router
must have a swastika on it and be transmitting Nazi speeches
all over the neighborhood forcing it's nefarious signal into all the
computers. ^_^

TDD

Hmm. I wonder how would you tell?

I guess one N router would be heard to sing in German, increase
productivity, and make all the stock on your shelves line up in perfect
rows. It would build national pride, labor camps, and expand the
marketing base to other low lying countries.

The other N router would be impossible to fire, have free lawyers,
accomplish nothing useful, have lots of little routers which all need to
be funded, and steal your ****.

..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

On 8/6/2013 8:08 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:


Does your wireless N router have a swastika or big lips? Which?
Enquiring minds want to know!


According to the group's racist moderator Booby G., my wireless N router
must have a swastika on it and be transmitting Nazi speeches
all over the neighborhood forcing it's nefarious signal into all the
computers. ^_^

TDD

Our IT people sent out a report showing computer use with a list of
abusers. They had highlighted one of my guys who appeared to be using
his computer nearly 8 hours a day to surf the net. Naturally
management wanted to get all over him. I looked into the details of
the use and it was 10 seconds of use every 1 minute 24 hours a day. In
the roll up report it just looked like he was on the computer all
shift but in the detailed report it was obvious that something was on
his computer and "calling home" every minute. They never really
figured out what it was, it seemed to be some google thing but there
wasn't any known google thing that phoned home like that. So his
computer got reformatted...


On Tue, 06 Aug 2013 07:39:57 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

At my church's family history center, the computers would work painfully
slow. To the point that we could accomplish just totally nothing,
waiting two minutes for a page to load, and so on. One of the guys
thinks he had it figured out, someone put a "drop box" program on the
computer, and when they were on, some remote computer was using them for
storage and for processing. After a few months, the problem went away.
But, I do remember hearing the FHC woman scream in anguish a couple times.

.
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

On 8/6/2013 7:10 AM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

I sold several computer systems to a guy opening a tax service at
several offices. There was a problem at one office caused by one
of the employees installing a game on the server. There was a lot of
yelling over that one. ^_^

TDD

"Ashton Crusher" wrote in message

stuff snipped

People have always stolen if they thought they could get away with it.

That's probably the best explanation. "Are there serious consequences for
theft?"

A friend of my Dad's ran a stable, not exactly a big dollar operation.
He had a couple employees. He rigged the phones so he could eavesdrop
on the employees and found them bragging about how they stole money
from the place when he wasn't around.

Sometimes I think the Ten Commandents enumerates the most basic bad human
behavior. IOW most people have to be reminded not to steal, not to kill,
not covet, etc. because that's what many will do without "guidance."

When I worked at a mob-owned pizzeria a "confederate" would order 4 pizzas
just before closing but not pick them up. They would then go in the trash
to be retrieved by under-fed and very hungry dorm roommates. That was
before I knew the mob ran that place and when I did, we stopped the
practice. The potential consequences are what stopped us.

I've read that when Jimmy Hoffa ran the Teamster's pension funds, he never
lost a dime but when Federal trustees took over the funds, they lost money
by the dumptruck load.

--
Bobby G.

"willshak" wrote in message
...
Robert Green wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

stuff snipped

If it was folded up, why would Wes have wondered what could have been
in
it? Why would the guards have asked her to open it so they could look
inside? Why would she have had to throw it over the fence?

You would have made more than a passable reporter, asking nagging
questions
like that!

Maybe it was a box kite? Maybe she was a former discus thrower who
"spun
up" the box to "escape" velocity? Maybe NBC reporters had previously
strapped a rocket motor to the box? The possibilities are endless.

Even folded up, I would like to see the technique used. Frisbee style
perhaps? 10' feet is fairly high when trying to throw an object that
will
catch wind, unless of course the wind was in her favor. Maybe it was
windy
enough that she just threw it straight up and the wind carried it over.
;-)

That's it. The winds were in her favor. For some odd reason I am
reminded
of Nixon's secretary Rose Mary Woods showing press photographers how she
could have "accidentally" erased critical footage from the Nixon Tapes
by
stretching her arms and legs out to a near impossible "split" and trying
to
convince people she held them that way for 18 minutes. Gotta admire her
loyalty even if her veracity was questionable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rose_Mary_Woods.jpg

And the cow jumped over the moon . . . (-:

--
Bobby G.



And the dog ate the tapes.

Could be! (-: Dogs eat a lot of tape. Video tape, duct tape, cassette
tape and more. Even evidence tapes


http://www.dogguide.net/blog/2007/12...-dogs-stomach/

(Read the comments - it's a wonder some of those mutts survived although the
Nintendo pictures are claimed by some to be hoax.)

--
Bobby G.